754 Lifecycle
 

Hey All.

Please could you help me vent my frustrations.

You know when you and a mate argue over an issue! this is my frustration.. Help!!!


The lifecycle of the 754??
That is my question. 754 doesn't use Dual or PCI EXPRESS. When will this be implemented?
will 754 become the Duron of its time or will there be uniqueness to it?


Also what are the benifits and disadvantages of the 754 compared to the 939?

Any help on this topic will be greatly appriciated.

Thanks

Swiss

Re: 754 Lifecycle
 

The fastest socket 754 AMD are going to make is the Athlon 64 3700+. (which is already out)
It basically taking over from the socket A XP chip.

The advantage of the 939 over the 754 is that the 939 runs a dual channel memory controller which is a few % faster.
Prolly the socket 939 motherboard will be more upgradable as the socket 754 has already in theory maxed out.

You can see a roadmap here.

Better one here.

Note no newer socket 754 chips after the 3700+ clawHammer.

Re: 754 Lifecycle
 

Yes, the nforce 4 chipset will be available for 754 in december-january 04/05 with pci-express and POSSIBLY dual channel

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As the memory controller is on the CPU, how are they going to do that then?

No matter what board you put a 754 on, it's only ever a single channel chip.

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yeah i was kidding. Making sure you knew your CPU's :biggrin: (hehe just realised where the controller was), but i was right about the PCI-E :p

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so far, the fastest 754 chip is the 3700+.

Now, since 754 is so prevalent, I'm going to guess AMD will support it with faster chips.

939 will eventually take over, but not many people have it...i would say 754 has 100X+ the number of users. Also, don't think 939 will carry you several years...when DDR2 is adopted, I'm guessing a new socket will, too...that's the double edge sword of the integrated controller.

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I trust you have a link to a press release on this?

There seems speculation in threads like this that it might happen, and also some speculation of why it wont.

Even seen pictures of an AMD board with it, but that was socket 939.

All the main players (with exception to a few) have released socket 754 boards, so why change them now to something Intel are trying to push?

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't the Athlon XPs single channel, and it was the boards rather than the chips that offered dual channel.

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The memory controller for the AMD 64 chip is on the chip, and not the board like it was for the socket A (462 chips)

Hence it was said in another post...

that's the double edge sword of the integrated controller.

It's a bit like comparing a river with the sea.

The latest roadmap tells you what chips are single channel. (all the socket 754s)

Explained better here..
So, the Athlon 64 processor has grown extra legs, standing now on 939 pins instead of 754. This is because of the dual-channel 128-bit memory controller that came to replace the older single-channel 64-bit one. Unlike in Athlon 64 FX and Opteron processors, used in Socket 940 systems, the memory controller of the Socket 939 Athlon 64 supports ordinary (non-registered) memory modules. This makes the entire platform cheaper (non-registered modules cost less) and faster (registered modules have bigger latencies).

Re: 754 Lifecycle
 

Socket 754 has only one difference and limitation to Socket 939/940: It can only carry single channel memory CPU's.
Chipsets for Socket 939 and Socket 754 are identical and can be hooked up to any Hypertransport CPU (Socket 939/940/754).

PCI Express is also not limited by Socket 754, its the manufacturers that need to see the need for that in the "budget" Socket.

For DDR2, AMD would need to change CPU's again. I am sure they are frantically evaluating if this can be done with the current socket 939.

Killeroy.

Re: 754 Lifecycle
 

Well Since s754 can claerly beat a 939 CPU, It is gonna be a rarity, maybe, If Co's make more great s754 MOBO's well be in good shape. :)

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but since some of us have discovered that overclocking is actually good fore the budget,nost sure why one would ponder about the highest retail chip worth hundreds of dollarski :)
right now,s754 over s939 anyday,performance difference is NEGLIGEABLE,price not really .

Re: 754 Lifecycle
 

by the end of this year or first quarter of next year s939 will probably take over s754. So i'm waiting til then to get mine first a64 system

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the number of 754 users is orders of magnitude greater than 939. prices will have to come down before 939 takes over. Given the support 754 has, I would be surprised if AMD stops supporting it. My guess is that 2.6 and 2.8Ghz chips WILL be on 754

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Well as the debate over 754 and 939 persue's to new mediums :D i continue the debate hoping to see what other inputs will be seen.

I have been shopping around in the intrest of buying a 64 bit solution and AMD is the way to go, i mean who wants a III tech overclocked and under-developed?

The question though when it comes to AMD is to go either 754 or 939. Pretty much all that can be said has been in this thread. Nforce revision's are frequent and too close together to warrant going for nvidia based boards. This is seen in the first revision of the Nforce 3 chipset which had some problems regarding performance. Isnt this supposed to be the process of development? I feel Nvidia is taking the microsoft approach and using us to beta test the new chips ...

Now whether to buy 754 or 939 ... 754 is almost at end of cycle ... this is confirmed by the roadmap .... AMD is in the market of moving forward but being able to still keep the budget concious people intrested. Rather than regurgetate technical data already known regarding the diff sockets which is already in this thread ... 939 is being developed and those looking to buy a new system are best to sit and save 2-3 months longer and get a 939 board wether it has pci-express or not. pci express is NEW and as such you are less likely to see the introduction of such devices soon and then again what performance gain are you going to gain? most of what is needed is built onto the board. PCI express x16 is only marginally faster than AGP 8X at the moment and SATA 300 is also loosely supported ... even the latest 939 boards out dont even list this as a feature. the main point of 939 is double the memory speed potential and double the adress size. this might not make the difference now but what when real full 64 bit OS and drivers AND applications to make full advantage of the tech become available ... those who are already running AMD 64 will sit back and laugh at all those mindless drones who would rather buy NON-AMD in the hopes to gain reliability and speed that will suddenly have to upgrade again costing them even more on top of the high cost expected OS price. The only trouble i see ahead is the improvement in memory architecture which would resolve in a new socket. But how long before this happens. I was happy for a good 3 years on my duron 600 on a tnt2 and then on a geforce2 and now running on a athlon 1300 which cost me nothing. if i buy a new board now (in 3 months time when xmas comes) i would rather buy a board that will offer me the ability to upgrade my chip to current market without the limitations that a 754 will pose ... and if i hear any more about overclocking ... i will simply say ... how many FPS do your eyes work at ?? no more than 30 as memory serves, so what is the difference in gaining 10 fps on a game that you are already notching over 100 FPS really going to make ? that and overclocking a chip will only earn you a marginal increase ... you need to OC the enitre system as a whole to really gain any increase. [next novel]

So in short the 754 cycle is short and will only be here to satisfy the budget needs of workstation required for an environment you are trying to transform towards 64 bit architecture. dont knock down either 754 or 939 .... both have their problems and all depends on what you need ... for myself i would rather look into getting a 939 as my first 64 bit solution. by the time i do get it most of the teething problems as seen in 754's early days should be worked out and i would rather go AGP with ATI 9800 which will be a lot cheaper than a 16x pci express i feel. not to mention the delay time it takes to see technology in south africa.

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