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    I would like to make a correction to my Studio Monitor Post. I have now found out that the Mackie monitors like at $849.99 per speaker not for a pair. Sorry about any confusion.
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    Originally posted by sangram
    Sorry fuzz, couldn't understand the first part of the problem.

    Anyway to sample to 24 bit you could use a .wav editor, that can handle the .aiff format and supports mixdown to 24 bit. I only know of Acid Pro 4 (Sonic foundry). Maybe 3 does, but I'm not sure 'cause I haven't spent much time with it.

    You might wanna check out n-Track but again I dunno 'cause I've never worked with .aiff files. Always on a PC for music production, so...

    Also I dunno if .aiff has native 24 bit capability, just 16 max. Educate me, please... I know it should but I get the funny feeling it does not.
    Well with some more digging I think the problem is a little larger than what I thought it was. It doesn't seem that Samplitude will import or record 24bit projects. It will record 32bit floating point files, and use them in a 24bit project, but it won't deal with 24bit files.

    Anyway, .aiff files are the Macintosh equivalent of .wav files on a pc. They are just the standard audio files. Until the last 4 years or so, I think that it was hard to impossible to read .aiff files on a PC. anyway, now it's a standard thing. Anyway, like I said, I think my problem with samplitude is solved. It's out the window until a newer version comes out that will support 24bit files, not this 16bit and floating point CRAP! Anyway, I will continue to play with it.
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    I also haven't seen 24bit wav files and I am wondering if it is actually possible to do 24bit wav files?
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    All right folks. Here is a first for me. Haven't seen a pro audio card ever before on the bits and pieces. So here is the link to the review, http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/lynxtwo/index.html

    Enjoy!
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    Fuzz,

    I'm posting here, even though this probably doesn't really qualify as high-end audio, other than the system I'm hooking it up to is high end...

    (And forgive me, it's not an AMD system, it's VIA. Hey, at least it's not Intel)

    I got one of those new VIA Epia mini-ITX cards. Works great in general. Got WinME and Redhat working on it (with a few glitches here and there)

    This is all for a computer jukebox feeding my stereo. Using Ogg Vorbis and/or Flac , rather than MP3.

    My problem: the digital out on the card sounds like crap. I'm trying to decide if it's a general problem with the board, or if I need to RMA the board.

    When using the integrated coax spdif, higher frequency sound all has a horrible ringing to it -- it's really bad. I've used two different receivers, so it's not my receiver. Analog out doesn't have the problem, but I can't do analog on the system I'm trying to use (no preamp - only the digital in on the CD player, which output to the power amp directly)

    Any ideas on what might cause something like this?

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    Could be bad circuitry, could be a bad card. Could be becasue there is a digital sync problem. To be honest, there are a lot of things. I think that using the CD-Player as a input is a pretty sour way to get your sound into your system, no offense. I just don't see it being a good way to do digital. So if there is another way you can get it in, I would go that route. Another question for you, can you give me names model #'s of all the stuff that you are using past your sound card?
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    The CD player is about as good as one is going to get for a digital processor (for CD anyway), without using a stand-alone digital processor like a Mark Levinson 360 or 30.6.

    The D/A conversion is certainly going to be much better than even something like the M-Audio.

    I'm going to try a few other things, such as a different BIOS, XP instead of ME, just in case it is something like that. If I could find my dang SB Live, I'd try that in it. Maybe I'll pick up a cheap card at Best Buy (I can get a Philips card with digital out for $25).

    At least I can tell whether it's truly the board or not that way, or something else funky, like noise on the powersupply, or some other feedback from something in the system that is getting passed on the SP-DIF.

    Don't understand how that could be case though, as it is an encoded digital stream. I've never looked at the format at an electrical or data level to see what is actually passed though, so I don't know what could really affect it.

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    So here is the deal. I haven't experienced this but I have heard about digital sources not syncing right with each other, but they are close enough that they do sync still. So you get really crappy sound. Bits being chopped off here and there.
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    Found the problem. I don't like it, but I found it.

    The damn card (or driver) will only output at 48k, not 44.1k. And the conversion that is being done is really, really bad.

    I tracked it down by trying analog again, but with a ripped .WAV, that I converted to a 48k .WAV using sound recorder. Played it via the analog output. Sounded crappy just like the digital connection does.

    Is this just the nature of a 44.1k to 48k conversion? At first thought, it does seem that it would be problematic, especially at higher frequencies. Can this be overcome?

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    No, there really isn't a way around this, unless your system will work at 48k. Most receivers with spdif in will sense the 48k signal. But I know that a CD player won't. And even if there is a box out there that will do the conversion, I'm sure that you could buy a great receiver for a lot less.
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    Actually, the CD player does sense 48k. Says it right on the front display. (It can decode the input from a DVD player, although officially not until the newer model came out last year) And my Denon receiver does it as well.

    It's not the sensing that is the problem, it's the digital conversion being done in the driver, or prior to the driver?

    It's just going to be off, with all sorts of strange artifacts due to the sample rate difference. (I finally figured out what was happening by saving a .WAV file from sound recorder at a 48K sample rate, so it did the conversion. When I play it back via the analog out, it sounds exactly the same as the original .WAV played through the digital out)

    I've finally gotten the right contact at VIA, and they are claiming it does 44.1k in their lab. I'll see what happens. They probably have an updated driver, or it's fixed in the latest driver and I screwed up the install.

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    Maybe a firmware update or something.
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    For those of you who read any of the other threads you might have read that I mentioned the Behringer Truth monitors the other day. Well, there is a reason for that. We just got 8-pairs of them here at school. We grabbed all of out near-field monitors yesterday at played some music through them. This is including some Yamaha NS-10's, Some JBL 4412A's (Don't know why those are "near-fields" but okay), Tannoys, EV's, Mackies. Man, this is what I have to say. I don't like Behringer as a whole. They rip off other companies products and make cheap versions of the same thing, but, these monitors are awesome. How awesome you ask? They are awesome enough that there is absolutely NO reason to go out and spend $1500-3000 on good near field monitors. Here is the reason why. The monitors that are in the same class are the Mackie 824's and the Genelec 10xx series monitors. Not only that, they are no where near as colored as the JBL's or the Tannoys IMO. The Mackies Genelecs and the Behringers all sound very similar. All are very flat and very precise. Needless to say the Behringers cost MSRP$499USD! That is insane! The Mackies list at $849.99 a piece! Not a pair! You can't even go buy good home stereo speakers for $499 a pair, let alone a powered pair of monitors for $300-400 (Actual cost of the Behringers). Needless to say there is a real beast in town. Go check them out. It's worth your while.
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    You know, all of those who really like there 5.1 or 7.1 and want to use some more PRO quallity stuff, one of the best ways to do it is make your own cables. You can get really great cable at blow out places, like Boeing Surplus in the Seattle area, and just buy your own connectors and make your cables. But the cool part about doing this is four-fold. 1) Great cables, at little cost. 2) You know how your cables were constructed, no question on quality. 3) It's fun 4) Custom cables for how ever you want your speakers. You can always make a pseudo balanced cable too. It's just a great way to be able to hook up your mini outs on you Audigy or TBCS to your powered 5.1 systems with those Behringer Truth Monitors that you just bought.
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    Microphones are a funny thing. I don't know if any of you have paid attention to the Marshall Mic Thread but there was, in my mind, a great question raised. What's a good mic? And I think that is one of the toughest questions to ask ever when it comes to recording. Being a student of audio production there isn't an easy answer. I have recorded many tracks where I thought the snare sounded like crap with something like a Shure SM-57. But then in a different studio, in a different room with a different kit the snare sounds brilliant! What makes a Neumann better than a cheap Chinese mic? Nothing half the time, but sometimes one sounds better. I was once recording some electric guitar in the studio and I put four different mics against the cab. A SM-57, a Neumann U-87, a EV N/D308b, and a Pacific Pro Audio LD-1. Recorded all four mics to tape and by far and away the best mic was the Pacific Pro Audio. Other times and rooms I prefer an AKG C-414. I think the hardest part about picking a mic is the time it takes to do it. I think one of the best things that one can do to pick a microphone is to go into a studio and to listen to the mics that people are using in a studio setting and watch where they are being placed. Also if Guitar Center or other music stores in your area have clinics with microphone companies it's a really good idea to see what those folks have to say. I know, that those things may seem like a joke but you can really learn a lot.

    Now as for some of my personal mic preferences.

    Guitar Amps: Now I think that you always have to go with the trusted stuff a lot of the time. Shure SM-57's are safe. Next I always try the EV N/D 308.Then a PPA and an AKG C-414. Other good ones are the Sennheiser 421. AT-3035. I also like the old school RCA ribbon mics are really nice on old Fenders and other vintage tube amps.

    Bass: Now this is a tricky one. I really like EV RE-20 and AKG D3600s. But I really think that the best way is to do a direct box and mic combo.

    Drums: Now I really like lots of different mics on snares but here are the two that I will try right away. First is an AKG D112. Yeah there for Kick drums but I think they sound awesome on snares. Then a SM-57. For toms, I think it goes and mic in the EV N/D series, then a Sennheiser 421 then SM-57. On high-hats I like either AKG 460 or a Neumann KM-84. For overheads I like The Audiotechnica AT3035's or the Pacific Pro Audio mics. Good stuff.

    Vocals: Here is my list. Neumann U-87, RCA Ribbon, Pacific Pro Audio, Audio Technica AT-3035, and the AKG 460. Those are all awesome mics for vocals. But you know what. A lot of people still use Shure Sm-58's for vocals even in the studio.

    One of the best tools for recording anything is a compressor, which you could write a small 2k page book on. So here is the low down. $2000 compressors are worth it. But for those of us who don't have enough money there are a lot of good compressors for real cheap. Like the dbx units, but my personal fav is the RNC, Really Nice Compressors. I also love the Presonus compressors. Also really good stuff.

    If anyone has anything else to add please do so.
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