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  1. #31
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    Originally posted by Snowball 2
    Speaking of which we vetoed a resolution in Novemeber that would make the killers of a UN worker accountable for their actions. Israeli snipers killed Briton Iain Hook in broad daylight in a clearly marked UN compund after they mistook his cell phone(whom he was reapeatedly talking to Israeli personnel on) as a weapon.

    The UN works only the way we want it to. Funny that we now call them ineffective but at the same time we help destroy its legitamacy.
    Oh please. In one hand you want the USA to agree with everything the UN says, and in the other you say that whatever we do agree on is because we control the UN and have it "work only the way we want it to".

    Simply hogwash.

    What about France in the Ivory Coast Snowball? What about Russians and the Chechs? What about China and Tibet? Strange how none of these countries sought UN approval for their actions, yet they were done anyhow. You are another who portrays the USA as a great and evil destroyer of men, and I am sad. Sad that you are blind to the good that the USA has brought to the world. Sad that you ignore the advances in medicine, technology and computers that we are responsible for. Sad that you deny the $50billion in humanitarian aide that leaves this country every year, more than half of which comes in the form of private aid with no strings. Sad that you deny our great history, and sad that you scorn us so. We are a good people Snowball and in this country the government is the people. Like it or not. You continue to derail my government, for everything it has ever done and everything it is doing and you insult me in the same sentence, and all that came before me. I understand that it is the citizens responsibility to question government, and to protest when it is felt there are wrongs being done - but you go to far.

    There is no country with a greater or more successful foreign policy as ours and I dare you to challenge me on that assertion. There is no country that has done more good for the world than the United States of America, period. Have we made mistakes Snowball? Ahhh of course my friend, for we are human. But our intent is noble, and our execution is generally sound. We are a moral people, that will help in times of great need(ask the French in WWII) and support our brothers when they ask. It is simply a shame that our ideals must be defended at every turn, when freedom itself is on the chopping block due to a failed socialistic ideal grounded in the equally failed ideal of relativism. Simply a shame. This country "does not believe in durable coexistence with a mortal threat". You can disagree with it as you like, but we will continue on unabashed.

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    Originally posted by Mordeth

    Simply hogwash.

    Mordeth
    Sorry, Mordeth. Here's where I have to disagree with you. Washing a hog is anything but simple.

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    Riddle me this then , firstly I do not agree with terrorism in any way shape or form, killing innocent "non combatents" is murder.

    What gives the UN the right to be the world's police force, the majority of it's members did, that still does not make it right.

    Many are against the "new world order", myself included as it gives them the right to do anything and counter any law or police force / army and kill whoever they don't like for whatever reason.

    And what gives the US the right to be the UN's hitman when the "war" has not been aproved by all of the UN members Hmmm ?

    The ideology of this "I am the world police force" because I am the biggest is what Osama and his pshyco buddies are against, that is why they hate the US and now all your allies.

    to toss petrol on the fire is is asking to have fingers burnt, the kiddies motto, those that play with fire will eventually burn their fingers.

    Or the classic, Yeah tho I walk through the valley of the shadow of death I will fear no evil as I am the meanest SOB in that there valley any who enter be afraid, be very afraid..
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    "What gives the UN the right to be the world's police force"

    when those counties agreed on it, BUT, I am still trying to figure out WHEN its appropriate to flex our muscle.
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    I expected that logic, well look what one man did, imagine what an army of osamas will do to the world, remember they are happy to die for their cause, are you ?
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    Originally posted by Terrorbyte


    And what gives the US the right to be the UN's hitman when the "war" has not been aproved by all of the UN members Hmmm ?

    I snipped much of what you wrote because I honestly didn't understand it. But as to this question, as Conrad Black puts it: "the USA does not believe in durable coexistence with a mortal threat." and the USA "...has never had any objective except not to be threatened and when threatened, to remove the threat."

    If you don't like that reasoning, I guess all I can tell you is: "oh well". If you want to live in a dark house with poisonous snakes that is your choice, we choose to eliminate them first. Ask the Japanese what happened for whatat they did to us at Pearl Harbor on December 7th of 1941.

    And finally, the powerful are morally obligated to spread freedom, and to forcibly remove murderous dictactors from power that are suppressing their own people and aggressively threatening the world. And spare me the relativism rebuttal. I'm getting tired of refuting it.

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    Sorry but I'll have to snip all of that one.

    the full stop was good tho.
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    Originally posted by Terrorbyte
    Sorry but I'll have to snip all of that one.

    the full stop was good tho.
    Huh?

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    Originally posted by Mordeth
    And finally, the powerful are morally obligated to spread freedom, and to forcibly remove murderous dictactors from power that are suppressing their own people and aggressively threatening the world.
    So by this reasoning, shouldn't the US also forcibly remove Kim Jong Il from power? He is certainly responsible for those murdered in his forced labor camps. His people are surpressed, both politically and economically. Neither his sabre rattling nor his expulsion of the IAEA inspectors can be seen as non-agressive.
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    Originally posted by Mordeth
    Huh?

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    Heh, can't argue with that one . . .

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    Exactly my point "huh"
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    Originally posted by Chang
    So by this reasoning, shouldn't the US also forcibly remove Kim Jong Il from power? He is certainly responsible for those murdered in his forced labor camps. His people are surpressed, both politically and economically. Neither his sabre rattling nor his expulsion of the IAEA inspectors can be seen as non-agressive.
    I was waiting for this question, as it is inevitable that it pops up from the liberal camp. As powerful as we are, we must choose our battles and take them one at a time if possible. North Korea is a different situation and must be addressed differently - but I ensure you it will be addressed and yes it is a major problem. Or didn't you hear that we are already sending bombers their way:http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/03/04/n.k...ers/index.html , and that we have more than 37,000 troops stationed in South Korea, much right on the border.

    Of course we should always try to settle things diplomatically first, which is what we have tried to to with Iraq for the last 12 years. As a last resort, force may be necessary to correct the problem. The same holds true for North Korea. They will be dealt with in due time and the United States is FULL aware of what must be done.

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    Originally posted by Terrorbyte
    Exactly my point "huh"
    Well, i'm not going to go back and forth with this nonsense. I responded to what I could understand in your post, and you ignored mine in it's entirety. I do not mean in any way to insinuate anything, but I simply couldn't understand what you were trying to say, so I chose to ignore that portion of it and comment on what I could understand.

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    Originally posted by Mordeth
    . . .we have more than 37,000 troops stationed in South Korea, much right on the border.
    So 37,000 troops that have probably been on the border since the 1950's and a couple of bombers is comparable to a US buildup of 300,000 US troops to deal with Saddam?

    Are we morally obligated to forcibly remove murderous dictactors from power that are suppressing their own people and aggressively threatening the world less, relative to the bodybag count? North Koreans have been starving for nearly a decade due to the leadership. Does the US have to wait until 12 years have passed before they'll step in?
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