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thanks I am about to try it on this PC as soon as i get to a reboot point.
F8 but someone beat me to it already.
you can do it from msconfig under the BOOT.INI tab by checking /SAFEBOOT.
The problem with the rat race is even if you win, your still a rat.
Thanks I had a brain fart for some reason I see the F8 every time I boot (well used to to fast now to show it) lol its all fine an dandy.