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    Question why cant Barton beat Intel P4

    why

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    OK so you want to know why the Barton cannot beat the P4.

    1) Clock speed. Even though the Athlon cando more instructions per clock it simply cannot compete wiht the clock speed of the P4 (biggest point)

    2) FSB bandwidth. P4 has lots more FSB bandwidth about 3x

    3) Hyperthreading increaes the efficiency of the CPU dramaticaly

    Those are the main point but I am sure I can think up some more if you want but these are the main ones. Any other I can think up coudl be a tad complex in nature
    Last edited by Lynx51; 04-17-2003 at 02:47 PM.
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    wow cambridge student
    which subjects do u take?

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    The P4 will beat the Barton in some tests, the Barton will beat the P4 in others. Which benchmarks/tests are you referring to?
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    i think they are pretty much neck and neck, with neither having a great advantage in performance but AMD comes out on top when it comes to performance per dollar and longevity , upgradeability etc
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    Dont take any subjects at Uni (not old enough) but WIl be taking engineerign there.
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    It may not be able to beat it but I bet my 1700+ running at 11x209=2300mhz @ 1.7v beats any P4 chip in its price range.

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    The Barton core Athlon can't be the the final C0 stepping of the northwood P4 core....

    well its true but only in certain cases....

    Anyone heard of a little thing called SSE2 ???

    Well without this instruction set extention and a few other little improvements, the P4 would still be getting owned by the K7 Athlon XP cores.

    You check the coding of 75% all the benchmarks where the P4 beats the Athlon XP in and you'll find HEAVY optomisation for the functionality that SSE2 brings to the process thats where they find the performance, any "old" software (Pre SSE2) and the Athlon will be able to eat up the P4.

    This won't be too much of a problem in the future becasue the Athlon 64 and Opteron will have SSE2 optomisations while still being (at least till the new instructions that will be integrated into the Prescot Core)...

    Ahh the P4 soon to be remebered as the shortest lived varient of the Pentium line...

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    Originally posted by ChaosEngine
    The Barton core Athlon can't be the the final C0 stepping of the northwood P4 core....

    well its true but only in certain cases....

    Anyone heard of a little thing called SSE2 ???

    Well without this instruction set extention and a few other little improvements, the P4 would still be getting owned by the K7 Athlon XP cores.

    You check the coding of 75% all the benchmarks where the P4 beats the Athlon XP in and you'll find HEAVY optomisation for the functionality that SSE2 brings to the process thats where they find the performance, any "old" software (Pre SSE2) and the Athlon will be able to eat up the P4.

    This won't be too much of a problem in the future becasue the Athlon 64 and Opteron will have SSE2 optomisations while still being (at least till the new instructions that will be integrated into the Prescot Core)...

    Ahh the P4 soon to be remebered as the shortest lived varient of the Pentium line...

    Chaos.
    Well said. A good review site will always mention that P4 gets on the top of the chart because of SSE2 optimization(except video encoding and 3D scene rendering where bandwidth also plays an important role). Basically, P4 heavily relies on programmers and their skills.

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    man, this post should be modded to -1 and flaimbait...oh wait, this isnt slashdot

    sometimes its not even worth replying...
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    Originally posted by cgk123
    i think they are pretty much neck and neck, with neither having a great advantage in performance but AMD comes out on top when it comes to performance per dollar and longevity , upgradeability etc
    barton 3000+ vs p4 3.0ghz
    performance per dollar? i think not.
    the amd chip is more expensive(for now) and slower.

    plus, how do you expect a 2.16ghz cpu with low memory bandwidth to beat a monster 3.0ghz cpu with 800mhz fsb, plus a feature called hyperthreading, and an awsome chipset(875) that goes with it?

    heres another interesting point:
    why the hell would you buy a 3000+?!?
    i bet a lot of guys here with 1700+'s can beat the performance of 3000+'s.

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    Originally posted by Boner1401
    heres another interesting point:
    why the hell would you buy a 3000+?!?

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    Ive seen the 3000+ beat the 3.06 in quite a few things, and lose in a few things.

    Oh, and the 3000+ is 329$ at newegg, and the 3.06 is 390$. nice try!
    Originally posted by Boner1401
    barton 3000+ vs p4 3.0ghz
    performance per dollar? i think not.
    the amd chip is more expensive(for now) and slower.

    plus, how do you expect a 2.16ghz cpu with low memory bandwidth to beat a monster 3.0ghz cpu with 800mhz fsb, plus a feature called hyperthreading, and an awsome chipset(875) that goes with it?

    heres another interesting point:
    why the hell would you buy a 3000+?!?
    i bet a lot of guys here with 1700+'s can beat the performance of 3000+'s.
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    according to halflifers numbers boner1401 pulled a boner!
    but he is right i am not buying a barton 3000 since my xp1700 is performing like an xp2800
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    Unless the 3000+ drops down to the $175 or less range I would not think about it, the 2500+'s can run just as well with even blind overclocking and even better with premium overclocking. with my setup and running Sandra for benches I have beat or at least have come close to whooping the P4-3.06 in all of the tests, so to me I think that AMD performed well with the Barton line.
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