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    Re: Dubbya eats turkey in Bagdad

    Bush Spends Thanksgiving at Texas Ranch

    "President Bush spent a down-to-earth Thanksgiving Day at his ranch eating leftovers and riding his mountain bike - a world away from Baghdad, his secret destination a year ago."


    Quote Originally Posted by baghdad bob
    good evening: remember the glib reaction from the white house on this revelation 2 weeks ago.





    "That forecast radically departs from George Bush's upbeat assertions that the situation is improving in Iraq, and he initially dismissed the assessment as a "guess".

    The White House spokesman, Scott McClellan, suggested the assessment was the work of "handwringers". "

    CIA analysis holds bleak vision for Iraq's future

    "A classified National Intelligence Estimate prepared for President Bush in late July spells out a dark assessment of prospects for Iraq, government officials said yesterday.

    The estimate outlines three possibilities for Iraq through the end of 2005, and the worst case is developments that could lead to civil war, the officials said. The most favorable outcome is an Iraq whose political, economic and security stability would remain tenuous.

    "There's a significant amount of pessimism," said one government official who has read the document, which runs about 50 pages. The officials declined to discuss the document's key judgments -- concise, carefully written statements of intelligence analysts' conclusions.

    The intelligence estimate, the first on Iraq since October 2002, was prepared by the National Intelligence Council and was approved by the National Foreign Intelligence Board under John McLaughlin, the CIA's acting director. Such estimates can be requested by the White House or Congress, but government officials said this one was initiated by the intelligence council under George Tenet, who stepped down as CIA director July 9."



    Bush ignored warnings on Iraq insurgency threat before invasion

    "The Bush administration disregarded intelligence reports two months before the invasion of Iraq which warned that a war could unleash a violent insurgency and rising anti-US sentiment in the Middle East, it emerged yesterday.

    The warning, delivered in two classified reports to the White House in January 2003, was prepared by the National Intelligence Council, the same advisory board that warned the Bush administration last month that the violence in Iraq could descend into a civil war.

    That forecast radically departs from George Bush's upbeat assertions that the situation is improving in Iraq, and he initially dismissed the assessment as a "guess".

    The White House spokesman, Scott McClellan, suggested the assessment was the work of "handwringers".

    The revelation yesterday that the White House was similarly cavalier about prewar warnings could hurt Mr Bush in the run-up to tomorrow's presidential debate, which is focused on foreign policy.

    The Democratic challenger, John Kerry, has led a dogged effort to shift the election agenda from the "war on terror" to the chaos in Iraq, and yesterday's report at last provides him with a new opening.

    One of the prewar assessments said it would take years of tumult before democracy was established in Iraq, and the country could revert to its tradition of authoritarian rule. According to the New York Times, it also warned that the new authorities in Iraq could face a guerrilla war waged by remnants of Saddam Hussein's regime, and other militant groups.

    Meanwhile, Washington could see a rise in anti-American sentiment across the Middle East, as well as support for some terrorist acts.

    The existence of the prewar National Intelligence Council estimate was reported by the conservative columnist, Robert Novak, on Monday, as well as in yesterday's New York Times.

    The manner in which the assessment came to light has attracted as much attention as its contents.

    According to Mr Novak, details of the estimate were disclosed by Paul Pillar, the CIA's national intelligence officer for the near east and south Asia and one of the officials involved in preparing the report, at a private dinner on the west coast. Mr Pillar told his dinner companions that the White House had disregarded the warnings.

    Mr Pillar also suggested that the Bush administration was so focused on going to war that it never considered the prospect of an anti-American backlash. "When Pillar was asked why this was not made clear to the president and other higher authorities, his answer was that nobody asked," Mr Novak writes.

    Mr Pillar's frustration was widely shared yesterday by intelligence professionals who said they were undermined by an administration in which ideologues often had the final say over policy-making, as well as by the agency's management, which they believed was overly compliant with Pentagon and White House hardliners.

    "The CIA had come out before the war, and had been telling the administration all kinds of things it didn't want to hear," said Melissa Mahle, a former CIA operative in the Middle East. "The CIA feels very embattled right now. They feel vulnerable to accusations of politicisation in the run-up to the war, and to a degree they are vulnerable because of the war [former CIA chief] George Tenet played."

    Yesterday, a government official confirmed that the two prewar reports had sounded clear warnings of a widening struggle for Iraq. The official also noted that the conclusions in the assessment were shared by the entire intelligence community, not just the CIA.

    "It talked about possible insurgency, possible waging of guerrilla warfare, the possibility of domestic groups engaging in violent conflict," the official said.

    The official confirmed that Mr Pillar had been granted CIA authorisation to speak to the gathering, but on the understanding that the session remain confidential."



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  2. #47
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    Re: Dubbya eats turkey in Bagdad

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutchcedar
    He flew into Bagdad today and had dinner with some of the troops.

    I think that's pretty cool.

    if he came up with the idea,then ..if not,still cuz em boys are dying over there for someoen else's war..at least teh prez can take his butt down to have a turkey w em..last meal thing..

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    Re: Dubbya eats turkey in Bagdad

    I do commend the efforts of G.W

    BUT WTF? What if he was killed or the plane went down- sheesh- stupid ass. I mean seriously, we would be up shit creek with out a paddle if he took a header in the Atlantic or, on Iraqi soil, or, out in the boonies only to be kidnapped. Man what a dip shit thing to do.

    Sorry, call me a worry wort, but hey- better safe than sorry.
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    Re: Dubbya eats turkey in Bagdad

    He should be fighting with his troops. I would respect that.

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    Re: Dubbya eats turkey in Bagdad

    Some would argue the US would be better off.

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    Re: Dubbya eats turkey in Bagdad

    Quote Originally Posted by Trekari
    Some would argue the US would be better off.
    Yeah, but they LOST that *argument* on november 2, 2004...
    Liberal - A person so "open minded" that their morals, values and intelligence have fallen out and been lost.

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    Re: Dubbya eats turkey in Bagdad

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutchcedar
    He flew into Bagdad today and had dinner with some of the troops.

    I think that's pretty cool.
    What is awesome, is Bush puts his d ick on the line for the troops by going over there.

    Anyone wanna guess where Kerry woulda put his d ick???

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    Re: Dubbya eats turkey in Bagdad

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutchcedar
    He flew into Bagdad today and had dinner with some of the troops.

    I think that's pretty cool.
    So when is he going to fight with them?

    When is he going to battle against the iraquis who hate him, and are tyring to kill the troops there?

    "same here, it'll be a sad day should amdmb ever totally dissapear, i don't care too much for these "pc's" or their "perspectives" i just like my amdmb's." - SuBX3r0

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    Re: Dubbya eats turkey in Bagdad

    Quote Originally Posted by victimizati0n
    So when is he going to fight with them?

    When is he going to battle against the iraquis who hate him, and are tyring to kill the troops there?
    You're hopeless.


    Why didn't FJK, Johnson, or Nixon go fight in that worthless war in Vietnam??

    Why didn't Clinton go fight alongside the guys he sent to Serbia, Kosovo, Samolia, Haiti, and half a dozen other spots???



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    Re: Dubbya eats turkey in Bagdad

    You guys do realise this is a bumped thread from last year right?

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    Re: Dubbya eats turkey in Bagdad

    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew LB
    You're hopeless.


    Why didn't FJK, Johnson, or Nixon go fight in that worthless war in Vietnam??

    Why didn't Clinton go fight alongside the guys he sent to Serbia, Kosovo, Samolia, Haiti, and half a dozen other spots???


    I dont know, i wasnt alive then to bitch about it.

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    Re: Dubbya eats turkey in Bagdad

    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew LB
    rediculous

    damnit
    the word is "ridiculous"

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    Re: Dubbya eats turkey in Bagdad

    Quote Originally Posted by Enmore
    You guys do realise this is a bumped thread from last year right?
    Sure do!
    We might even revive it next November too.
    Liberal - A person so "open minded" that their morals, values and intelligence have fallen out and been lost.

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    Re: Dubbya eats turkey in Bagdad

    Quote Originally Posted by mattst88
    damnit
    the word is "ridiculous"

    When you have no leg to stand on... attack someone on their spelling...

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    Re: Dubbya eats turkey in Bagdad

    andrew,go back to school

    ps dun mind mi sprelling

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