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    Re: VB 3.0 -- The Constructive Criticism / Member Suggestions Thread

    Someone brought up the fact that there are a number of people who are unhappy with the change to VB3.0 thus far....which brings to question the NEED to go to VB 3.0? WHY was it necessary to change from 2? If it was a color issue, surely it would have been simple to re-skin the thing. Was it a software limitation? Were the forums running close to "filling up" somehow? Was it a "potential" ad revenue limitation (ie: not enough places to place ads) issue? Just what was the reason for the "upgrade"?

    One must remember that the "UPGRADE" isn't always better than what you have...

    Coca Cola was MUCH better than the "new" Coke!

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    Re: VB 3.0 -- The Constructive Criticism / Member Suggestions Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by low_dough_tb_1g


    The "bottom of your USER Control Panel" does not have the Sig Image Sizer anymore, however.
    Clicking on the Preview Sig button, does not bring it up either, just a preview window.
    I can guess that my sig is very close on width, but it would be nice to get the funtionality of the SIS back.
    Yeah, we're aware of this lack, and have had it on a list of things to work on since pre-lease of vb 3. However, since you have brought it up in here, I will go ahead and add it to the suggestions list so we remember to give y'all updates on where we stand with fixing the problem. Thanks for your input.

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    Re: VB 3.0 -- The Constructive Criticism / Member Suggestions Thread

    Enough with the personal jabs everyone. Lets focus our energy on improving this website!!!

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    Re: VB 3.0 -- The Constructive Criticism / Member Suggestions Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by 3Aims
    Enough with the personal jabs everyone. Lets focus our energy on improving this website!!!

    The point of my question is not a personal jab, but to understand WHY it is that we have to go through all this crap in the first place? The forums appeared to function perfectly fine before....what caused the necessity to "IMPROVE" them? I, personally, subscribe to the motto:

    "If it ain't broke, DON'T FIX IT!"...but who knows, perhaps it WAS broke...that is the basis for my question...was it broke? If so, what was broke? If not, why the "IMPROVEMENT"?

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    Re: VB 3.0 -- The Constructive Criticism / Member Suggestions Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by 3Aims
    Enough with the personal jabs everyone. Lets focus our energy on improving this website!!!

    I totally agree. Put it back the way it was to improve it.
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    Re: VB 3.0 -- The Constructive Criticism / Member Suggestions Thread

    Frizzle, i'm not a VB expert, but i can tell you from all the discussions we've had before this was considered that there quite simply are a # of functions available on VB3 not available on VB2..some that are only useable to us..some useable to members...like any other software where you see the version # go up, it is expected it will contain enhancements, benefits over the previous version. if we don't have such a thing, i'll inquire into whether we can get one done up and post for members to see..i can't recall seeing such a beast myself.

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    Re: VB 3.0 -- The Constructive Criticism / Member Suggestions Thread

    Tenax: Surely there are new features available in the current version.... but that doesn't make it "better". It simply makes it more complex. I am a subscriber to the KISS theory....KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID. Unless there was an underlying fundamental reason to goto VB3.0 (for example: A post limit that fast approaching), I think the decision was a bad one. Just because its NEWER doesn't make it better. A simple re-skinning of VB2 would have been much easier....much cleaner....much better (IMHO thus far). I can honestly say that the more I use the system, the more I don't like it. Evidently, I am not the only one either.

    As for the reason I am passionate about this is becuase this board has become the ONLY tech related board I visit and contribute to on a daily basis. When things change for the worse, I feel obligated to express my opinions...I almost consider it a personal attack (almost, mind you). If Ryan was willing...and if it would fit in to 500 megs of space, I would be HAPPY to host the old forums....as it appears that a good number of folks here would love to have the old forums back.

    As for the color scheme...it doesn't affect me so much as the QUICK REPLY, LAYOUT, MAC ISSUES, etc....but it IS hard for AMD fans (of which this board was 90% made of) to accept Intel colors.... perhaps that should have been a consideration prior to making these changes. Also, why didn't you folks post a message about these changes BEFORE you commenced screwing our beloved AMDFORUMS up? Then you could have gotten input from the entire community before the fact instead of waiting until after?!? Perhaps you would have realized just how many people would have been against the upgrade (downgrade?).

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    Re: VB 3.0 -- The Constructive Criticism / Member Suggestions Thread

    How about a seperate forum for site improvements/dislikes/ideas instead of plonking them into the off topic?
    Dunno if anyone already suggested it but i dont want to read through the other 25 pages :P...or cant be bothered cos i'm lazeeeee.
    Thanks

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    Re: VB 3.0 -- The Constructive Criticism / Member Suggestions Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by FrizzleFried
    Tenax: Surely there are new features available in the current version.... but that doesn't make it "better". It simply makes it more complex. I am a subscriber to the KISS theory....KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID. Unless there was an underlying fundamental reason to goto VB3.0 (for example: A post limit that fast approaching), I think the decision was a bad one. Just because its NEWER doesn't make it better. A simple re-skinning of VB2 would have been much easier....much cleaner....much better (IMHO thus far). I can honestly say that the more I use the system, the more I don't like it. Evidently, I am not the only one either.

    As for the reason I am passionate about this is becuase this board has become the ONLY tech related board I visit and contribute to on a daily basis. When things change for the worse, I feel obligated to express my opinions...I almost consider it a personal attack (almost, mind you). If Ryan was willing...and if it would fit in to 500 megs of space, I would be HAPPY to host the old forums....as it appears that a good number of folks here would love to have the old forums back.

    As for the color scheme...it doesn't affect me so much as the QUICK REPLY, LAYOUT, MAC ISSUES, etc....but it IS hard for AMD fans (of which this board was 90% made of) to accept Intel colors.... perhaps that should have been a consideration prior to making these changes. Also, why didn't you folks post a message about these changes BEFORE you commenced screwing our beloved AMDFORUMS up? Then you could have gotten input from the entire community before the fact instead of waiting until after?!? Perhaps you would have realized just how many people would have been against the upgrade (downgrade?).
    Frizzle, i for one have no issue with anyone critiqueing the site and offering suggestions. but i do take exception when people arent' civil about it...there is no reason for any to come across like as a jerk and what kind of a response do they expect when they do? we're all human with feelings.

    in regards to question 2, hindsight is 20/20..as always..could it have been done better in communication? quite likely..do we mistakes..yep.. i bet you do as well, and except some empathy and understanding when you do..or would you prefer to be yelled at and insulted by the tone of the person? it's just common sense..there are reasons it was done, there will be some things i'm sure that will be better..not saying it will be an improvement on everything

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    Re: VB 3.0 -- The Constructive Criticism / Member Suggestions Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by SRV Blues King
    How about a seperate forum for site improvements/dislikes/ideas instead of plonking them into the off topic?
    Dunno if anyone already suggested it but i dont want to read through the other 25 pages :P...or cant be bothered cos i'm lazeeeee.
    Thanks
    i can say it has been discussed, not sure whether it's going to happen or not to be honest..

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    Re: VB 3.0 -- The Constructive Criticism / Member Suggestions Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by tenax
    Frizzle, i for one have no issue with anyone critiqueing the site and offering suggestions. but i do take exception when people arent' civil about it...there is no reason for any to come across like as a jerk and what kind of a response do they expect when they do? we're all human with feelings.

    in regards to question 2, hindsight is 20/20..as always..could it have been done better in communication? quite likely..do we mistakes..yep.. i bet you do as well, and except some empathy and understanding when you do..or would you prefer to be yelled at and insulted by the tone of the person? it's just common sense..there are reasons it was done, there will be some things i'm sure that will be better..not saying it will be an improvement on everything

    That is the inherant problem with typed communication....emotion rarely is conveyed correctly. When i type something in CAPS, it is to emphasize that particular point in my writings...not to "yell" as some come to know it as. I don't "yell" at anyone...aside from my dogs from time to time.

    I still, however, must ask the question...if it wasn't broke (or was it?) WHY did you fix it?

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    Re: VB 3.0 -- The Constructive Criticism / Member Suggestions Thread

    can i use an analogy if you don't mind that i'm comfortable expressing? because i'm not a big enough tech guy on this website software stuff..and i'd certainly welcome any mod or anyone for that matter who knows it to jump in.

    i manage the #1 radio station in my city, a rock station.. i tweaked it be broader to gain more of the upper end demo available...it was #1..when we did it, announcers of course said..we're already #1, why muck with anything? because i want it to be a bigger #1..and in any business, if you don't take risks and make changes..in short..stand still...you go behind.,..

    now, if you want a technical reason, maybe email wise one for example and he can likely give you far better answers than i can

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    Re: VB 3.0 -- The Constructive Criticism / Member Suggestions Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by tenax
    can i use an analogy if you don't mind that i'm comfortable expressing? because i'm not a big enough tech guy on this website software stuff..and i'd certainly welcome any mod or anyone for that matter who knows it to jump in.

    i manage the #1 radio station in my city, a rock station.. i tweaked it be broader to gain more of the upper end demo available...it was #1..when we did it, announcers of course said..we're already #1, why muck with anything? because i want it to be a bigger #1..and in any business, if you don't take risks and make changes..in short..stand still...you go behind.,..

    now, if you want a technical reason, maybe email wise one for example and he can likely give you far better answers than i can

    ...see...now I am curious as to which Rock Station you refer....<grin>

    Alright....alright....alright. I will shut my trap for now and give the mods some time to (hopefully) take our suggestions....and run with them. I just hate to see my "home" in it's current form...I feel as if I went from a kickass 2 story 3BR/2BA pad to a crummy 1BR/1BA mobile home....well...maybe not that bad.....but you get my drift. Also...the fact that this thread is buried in the "OFF TOPIC" area indicates to me that the administration here is aware of the possible backlash that this change has produced and is trying to limit their exposure to this negitive critique...

    Bottom line though....I want my old AMDFORUMS back! But since I know I won't be getting it, I will wait to see the final incarnation here....then I may opt to go to the dreaded AMDZONE forums...

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    Re: VB 3.0 -- The Constructive Criticism / Member Suggestions Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by FrizzleFried
    That is the inherant problem with typed communication....emotion rarely is conveyed correctly. When i type something in CAPS, it is to emphasize that particular point in my writings...not to "yell" as some come to know it as. I don't "yell" at anyone...aside from my dogs from time to time.

    I still, however, must ask the question...if it wasn't broke (or was it?) WHY did you fix it?
    Several reasons are behind the upgrade, one of the higher one being features for the members to use. Previewing and downloading PMs just to name a couple.

    there are admin upgrades for support of the site as well that help us manage and secure the 3GB (sorry, just a wee bit bigger that 500MB) database.

    The former forum software was coming to end of life (EOL). Although still supported currently by Jelsoft in regards to security among other updates, obviously their newest software will take precedent.

    As for intel colors, yes these are the new base colors for this site now. You should have seen the inevitable transition to PCPer.com from Ryan's Editorial, announcements and the www.amdmb.com homepage. And they are not intel colors, thats blue and orange. I (among others) made sure we didnt have those colors as part of the PC Perspective design many moons ago.

    I specifically made sure there was an AMDForums looking style from the first minute of the rollover, the old toplogo and all. Joe continues to help further our style choices to help the members feel even more comfortable with the changes.

    We, nor anyone else, could expect to please everyone. Could things have been done differently, certainly;, if I could change a few choices that were made, probably I would; would I have chosen to not do the upgrade, heck no.

    I dont expect you or anyone else to be happy with all the changes, not gonna happen. I can only attempt to make things better for most folks, cause I will never, and as I said previous, nor will anyone else, make all of the people happy all of the time.


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    Re: VB 3.0 -- The Constructive Criticism / Member Suggestions Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by FrizzleFried
    ...see...now I am curious as to which Rock Station you refer....<grin>

    Also...the fact that this thread is buried in the "OFF TOPIC" area indicates to me that the administration here is aware of the possible backlash that this change has produced and is trying to limit their exposure to this negitive critique...
    I can honestly say on the record that there was no "conspiracy" to bury this thread...what happened was as i've said to fellow mods..there were a bunch of brushfires throughout forums..primarily in off topic..which to me seemed to indicate that people felt off topic was the right place to go..i think that was darn smart of our members to do that, cause i can tell you if i saw these threads in trading post where i do most of my modding, i would have moved them cause the mass majority of people, frankly aren't concerned about the change and took it in stride..again, as per my radio station, it's the vocal minority that post most of the threads..(count up the actual # of people that have complaints about the site..i think you'd be very surprised) it's a very small group posting a lot of times. anyway, i'm OT, now...point i'm making is this thread in particular got the most attention and feedback, so..we let it roll..we did not merge the threads into this one because as you may know, merging would scramble responses from one post to another making it very hard to read sequentially.. i think those who have a beef, have no problem finding this thread..if we really wanted to hide it? we could just make it go away, along with any other posts about the issues

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