Crucial Anouncement!!!

[SkyMuK]

it works at PC3200 2226 but not entirely stable.

tnx for your reply

another question : do the pc3200 work at 250 fsb (pc4000) ?

tnx

[Oldjim]

From a reply to that question from Crucial I would say it could but they will not guarantee it. I had the impression that the PC4000 sticks had a higher failure rate than the PC3200 during testing.
Just a point I had my ram timings set at auto so I changed the command timing to 1T to see what would happen. Memtest still ran perfectly at 200MHz but Aquamark 3 score increased from 42279 to 43082 so I have to assume it was running at 2T before.
If there is a program which will identify whether the setting is 1T or 2T that would be great.

[Rabbi]

CrucialLabs,
does Crucial have any plans to release higher specced memory based on the same chips?

The reason I ask is there are people running 2x512 of Ballistix PC4000 at 2.5-3-2 which is VERY impressive, they also DONT have a lot of VDimm at their disposal (2.85v IIRC)... sounds like you guys are getting good results... I'm jus curious if the yields are good enough to release CAS 2.5 PC4200 anytime soon?

[chozsun]

Timing of it all:

=F-A-S-T= DDR Memory: 2-2-2 Roars on the Scene

They tested the PC3200 of the 1GB kits and gave OCZ PC3200 Platinum Revision 2 and Crucial Ballistix 3200 their Gold Editor awards.

Crucial's performance at 250 is mucho impressive.

[PandaZ3]

Very impressive stuff and priced at $138 for 512 Meg, I use regular Crucial 3200 in my best Computer, when I build another.

[CrucialLabs]

CrucialLabs,
does Crucial have any plans to release higher specced memory based on the same chips?

The reason I ask is there are people running 2x512 of Ballistix PC4000 at 2.5-3-2 which is VERY impressive, they also DONT have a lot of VDimm at their disposal (2.85v IIRC)... sounds like you guys are getting good results... I'm jus curious if the yields are good enough to release CAS 2.5 PC4200 anytime soon?

I’m not aware of plans to release a PC4200 CL 2.5 Ballistix module just yet but they’re constantly working on improving Ballistix so you never know.

[rmanaudio]

Catchfrase, I am not an engineer so I am limited by what they tell me. If you look at the datasheets on the PC3200 it may give you more info on this, Currently I am under a call load that limits my activity and I am not able to research the data sheets for you. None of th Ballistix memory is overclocked. We do not do that to anyone. Last thing we want to do is limit the potential of the module and offer something to the customer that is already OCed. The PC4000 is also running at spec but can reach these aggressive timings as well. I will have more free time tomorrow to do some research for you. I have a Doc appoint in a hour.

Edited....

I'm an engineer and I have to step in........ you see guys......Microns 5B chips say "5" for a reason. The '5' means its 5ns chip. Now, 5ns means 200Mhz....how u ask? 1 / 0.000000005 = 200000000 Hz. This is basic stuff!

So infact, these 5B-Cs and 5B-G's are all DDR400 generation chips. The technology is set for 5ns/DDR400 and nothing more. That is why Micron says PC3200 and nothing more!!

Now, Crucial and OCZ, etc are testing these chips and find ways to push it beyond 200FSB. This is called "Overclocking" as we all know! So please dont say we are not O/Cing it, cuz, it is not the truth!

On the other Hand Hynix has the 4.3ns chips --> 1/ 0.0000000043 = 233Mhz = PC3700!!!

I hope you guys now see how it all works!

PS: Atleast OCZ was smart enough on the EL sets to lazer off the Samsung or Winbond 5ns sigs and lazer their own 4.5ns for the PC3500s I have!!

[CrucialLabs]

I'm an engineer and I have to step in........ you see guys......Microns 5B chips say "5" for a reason. The '5' means its 5ns chip. Now, 5ns means 200Mhz....how u ask? 1 / 0.000000005 = 200000000 Hz. This is basic stuff!

So infact, these 5B-Cs and 5B-G's are all DDR400 generation chips. The technology is set for 5ns/DDR400 and nothing more. That is why Micron says PC3200 and nothing more!!

Now, Crucial and OCZ, etc are testing these chips and find ways to push it beyond 200FSB. This is called "Overclocking" as we all know! So please dont say we are not O/Cing it, cuz, it is not the truth!

On the other Hand Hynix has the 4.3ns chips --> 1/ 0.0000000043 = 233Mhz = PC3700!!!

I hope you guys now see how it all works!

PS: Atleast OCZ was smart enough on the EL sets to lazer off the Samsung or Winbond 5ns sigs and lazer their own 4.5ns for the PC3500s I have!!

It seems as though my earlier post was misunderstood. What I ment was we are not selling the Ballistix modules as already overclocked. Yes, we had to overclock the modules to find out the limits, who wouldn't? If you look on the Ballistix website we are selling the memory as PC3200 so 5ns does equal DDR400 which is what the module is speced at and is marked at.

[Rabbi]

CrucialLabs, I could be mistaken but didn't you say the PC4000 Ballistix also used Micron chips? Micron dont make any 4ns DDR chips to my knowledge...
To be honest I could care less what Micron rate those chips at... they are obviously speed-binned by Crucial and come with a warranty so the term "Overclocking" could only be used in the loosest sense. BH6 and BH5 came from the same die too... Winbond just speed-binned the chips and relabeled them...

[rmanaudio]

It seems as though my earlier post was misunderstood. What I ment was we are not selling the Ballistix modules as already overclocked. Yes, we had to overclock the modules to find out the limits, who wouldn't? If you look on the Ballistix website we are selling the memory as PC3200 so 5ns does equal DDR400 which is what the module is speced at and is marked at.

Yes you are selling them as O/Ced. Your PC4000 Ballistix use the Same Micron 5ns chips as the PC3200! You basically took the PC3200 Ballistix O/Ced them with lose timming and jacked up the price and sold them as PC4000! Why is it so hard to realize that?
This is a marketing technic everyone uses!

[CrucialLabs]

Yes, Ballistix modules are built from fully tested Micron DDR and DDR2 prime components. Above and beyond that I could not tell you because I do not know.

[aviator45]

Yes you are selling them as O/Ced. Your PC4000 Ballistix use the Same Micron 5ns chips as the PC3200! You basically took the PC3200 Ballistix O/Ced them with lose timming and jacked up the price and sold them as PC4000! Why is it so hard to realize that?
This is a marketing technic everyone uses!

NO!!!!!!
There is no such product as Ballistix PC4000!!!!!! The PC3200 is the only non-DDR2 Ballistix module. Crucial is selling them exactly as they are - low latency 5ns pc3200 memory that *can* be overclocked (by the user, not default) to pc4000 speeds. Crucial is not misleading anyone, check out their website and read the specs...

[mrlobber]

NO!!!!!!
There is no such product as Ballistix PC4000!!!!!! The PC3200 is the only non-DDR2 Ballistix module. Crucial is selling them exactly as they are - low latency 5ns pc3200 memory that *can* be overclocked (by the user, not default) to pc4000 speeds. Crucial is not misleading anyone, check out their website and read the specs...

Hmm, what's that? http://www.crucial.com/ballistix/sto...L6464Z505&cat=

[dwb]

I have to throw out one fact that is overlooked with this RAM. I just flat out looks bitchin' - its has show as well as go.

dwb

[situman]

not too sure about the go part since it cant really overclock above rated spec. We are overclockers, not "spec runners"