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  1. #721
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    Re: The Penguin Bar

    A checkbox to remember the root password? That's kind of amusing, good thing it's getting changed

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    Re: The Penguin Bar

    My biggest question was where was the community input when something to this magnitude was being looked at. I can see where they are trying to go with it thanks to that letter, but even still. It leaves me wondering.

    But in the end, Fedora Core still served its purpose. Its only a proving ground. Everything in it should be considered Beta only if you are looking at it from a production point of view. There are reasons why some Distros are Certified while others are not.

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    Re: The Penguin Bar

    Quote Originally Posted by Spankin Partier View Post
    My biggest question was where was the community input when something to this magnitude was being looked at. I can see where they are trying to go with it thanks to that letter, but even still. It leaves me wondering.
    This was clearly a case of one dev taking decisions in isolation and once it became apparent that decision was reversed fairly rapidly (and rightly so).

    What worries me more is that one individual is allowed to make such decisions in the first place, but at least it was spotted and rectified a loooong time before it ever got near RHEL

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    Re: The Penguin Bar

    This thread seems to be petering out.

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    Re: The Penguin Bar

    Quote Originally Posted by jnaz View Post
    This thread seems to be petering out.
    Well crack the beers open and lets get to work fixing that

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    Re: The Penguin Bar

    Is anyone using Thunderbird 3 yet? If so, what do you think of it?

    I tried it out briefly a while back when it was released but didn't like it so reverted back to 2.0.x. Has it got any better?

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    Re: The Penguin Bar

    I'm still sticking with 2, cant really see the point in the upgrade. Heck on my win box I still use a client that was discontinued in 2001 but works just fine .

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    Not sure. But I hear they are going to start to working on the calender portion using the SunBird team. SunBird just recently went to v1.0 and they are currently not planning on developing it any further. This frees up the team to concentrate on the Lightening calender add-on for Thunderbird and SeaMonkey.

    As for myself, I've never used Thunderbird. I've alway used Kontact. But seeing as I'm switching my laptop to Ubuntu 10.04 in a couple of weeks, we'll see how things go. If I'm not happy with the KDE4 e-mail client I may end up switching.

    This is of course, if I can fix my laptop's charging issue. Not sure if the cable is starting to give me trouble (easy fix), or the laptop plug (not so easy), or the charger its self is dieing (buy a new one). The cable got pulled almost a year ago so I tied the cable down to the charger so it doesn't pull any more. If its gone I'll just have to see if I can pop the charger apart and resolder it back in place.

    I'm hoping its just the wire and I can pop it apart. I'd hate to have to pull the motherboard out of the laptop. That'll be a whole different monster.

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    Re: The Penguin Bar

    Quote Originally Posted by bonso View Post
    I'm still sticking with 2, cant really see the point in the upgrade. Heck on my win box I still use a client that was discontinued in 2001 but works just fine .
    Good thing it wasn't discontinued in 1999. The Y2k bug may have hit it and the world would have exploded!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spankin Partier View Post
    I'm hoping its just the wire and I can pop it apart. I'd hate to have to pull the motherboard out of the laptop. That'll be a whole different monster.
    It's a really common fault for the power connection on the motherboard to fail. Sometimes it's solder-able if you're feeling brave. Lets hope it's not that

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    Re: The Penguin Bar

    Hey, I just upgraded the storage on my main box last week - 2x1TB Samsung F3 disks in software raid1. Wow those things are fast.

    Here's the old 320GB Samsung as a reference:

    Code:
    # hdparm -tT /dev/sdc
    
    /dev/sdc:
     Timing cached reads:   11404 MB in  2.00 seconds = 5714.33 MB/sec
     Timing buffered disk reads:  236 MB in  3.01 seconds =  78.39 MB/sec
    and here's the new 1TB drives:

    Code:
    # hdparm -tT /dev/sda
    
    /dev/sda:
     Timing cached reads:   12688 MB in  2.00 seconds = 6359.30 MB/sec
     Timing buffered disk reads:  442 MB in  3.00 seconds = 147.21 MB/sec

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    Re: The Penguin Bar

    Lol! Even your old drives blow away my laptop!

    Code:
     sudo hdparm -tT /dev/sda
    
    /dev/sda:
     Timing cached reads:   1594 MB in  2.00 seconds = 797.12 MB/sec
     Timing buffered disk reads:   86 MB in  3.01 seconds =  28.58 MB/sec
    Then there's my external USB drive:
    Code:
    sudo hdparm -tT /dev/sdc
    
    /dev/sdc:
     Timing cached reads:   1580 MB in  2.00 seconds = 789.63 MB/sec
     Timing buffered disk reads:   78 MB in  3.02 seconds =  25.85 MB/sec
    Always knew laptop HDDs are slow, but man, these numbers are just nasty!

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    Re: The Penguin Bar

    Yeah, not sure how the 5400 rpm drive in my laptop would fair, but not as fast as modern 3.5 SATAII/III drives for sure.

    I guess you won't be seeing that elusive 10 second boot on Ubuntu

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    Re: The Penguin Bar

    Here's the numbers from my laptop:

    Code:
    # hdparm -tT /dev/sda
    
    /dev/sda:
     Timing cached reads:   4256 MB in  2.00 seconds = 2130.00 MB/sec
     Timing buffered disk reads:  182 MB in  3.00 seconds =  60.58 MB/sec
    They look significantly faster than yours

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    Re: The Penguin Bar

    You're not booting off of a live CD when you test that are you? I was running my tests while the system was running on it (but while there was no drive action).

    Like the man page suggested, I just ran it several times and this was the best I can do:
    hdparm -tT /dev/sda

    /dev/sda:
    Timing cached reads: 1594 MB in 2.00 seconds = 797.11 MB/sec
    Timing buffered disk reads: 92 MB in 3.03 seconds = 30.39 MB/sec
    At the very least, I know of a good upgrade I can now do.

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