Duelfer: 'A lot of material left Iraq and went to Syria'

[thelmores]

http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtri...reaking_8.html

Charles Duelfer told the Senate Armed Services Committee earlier this month he could not rule out Saddam's transfer of Iraqi missiles and weapons of mass destruction to Syria.

Duelfer, an adviser to the CIA, said at the Oct. 6 hearing that a large amount of material had been transferred by Iraq to Syria before the March 2003 war.
"A lot of materials left Iraq and went to Syria," Duelfer said. "There was certainly a lot of traffic across the border points. We've got a lot of data to support that, including people discussing it. But whether in fact in any of these trucks there was WMD-related materials, I cannot say."

The Iraq Survey Group, headed by Duelfer, said Russia, Syria, Jordan and other arms suppliers were paid from Iraqi oil revenues.

A CIA report, authored by the Iraq Survey Group, identified Russia and Syria atop a list of 12 arms suppliers to Iraq until the U.S.-led war against Baghdad started in March 2003.

The report listed Russia and Syria above North Korea — regarded as the leading missile proliferator to the Middle East — as leading suppliers to Baghdad.

Jordan was the third largest supplier of weapons to Iraq.

After Jordan came Belarus, China, India, North Korea, South Korea, Bulgaria, Yugoslavia, Ukraine, France, Romania and Turkey. The report said these countries were involved in both "weapons of mass destruction and arms-related procurement."
The report said Saddam diverted money from the UN oil-for-food program to pay for both conventional and nonconventional weapons and components.

The report said state-owned companies in Russia and Syria defied UN sanctions and supplied weapons and platforms to Baghdad. The report said Syria also served as the leading route for illegal arms supplies from Europe and other countries.

Several of Iraq's neighbors were said to have joined in the secret military effort to aid Baghdad. The report — based on interviews with senior Iraqi officials and 40 million pages of documents and classified intelligence — cited Jordan and Turkey as leading suppliers to the Saddam regime.

we know saddam had the weapons, he gassed the iranians and the kurds, and i doubt very seriuosly that saddam destroyed ALL of the wmd's.

where did they go?

perhaps when we finish up in iraq and afghanistan, we should pay a visit to syria!

[otoc]

http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtri...reaking_8.html



we know saddam had the weapons, he gassed the iranians and the kurds, and i doubt very seriuosly that saddam destroyed ALL of the wmd's.

where did they go?

perhaps when we finish up in iraq and afghanistan, we should pay a visit to syria!

Aside from this being a repost of the same article, I'll use Andrew's words. Read the report.

WMDs were destroyed. Sadham lied because we wanted to keep Iran at bay. The report is clear on these matters.

Duelfer said there was evidence of materials being sent to syria. What makes you think it was WMDs? Where does it say that in the report?

[Andrew LB]

Aside from this being a repost of the same article, I'll use Andrew's words. Read the report.

WMDs were destroyed. Sadham lied because we wanted to keep Iran at bay. The report is clear on these matters.

Duelfer said there was evidence of materials being sent to syria. What makes you think it was WMDs? Where does it say that in the report?

What was it then? They were military materials... with military guards... and they were moved quite secretly.

[fireman_x]

WMDs were destroyed. Sadham lied because we wanted to keep Iran at bay.

Exactly, I hate all of these 30+ yr old armchair commanders who have a thirst for war but will never have the chance of getting drafted should the shit really hit the fan. Saddam giving the waepons to Syria is the most idiotic nonsense imagininable, he is now in US custody, the last place he ever wanted to be. The truth of the matter is that if he had the weapons he would have used them against us as his only card to play, but he didn't because he no longer had them.

[lynch03]

Let me translate this story.

ALOT OF STUFF WENT FROM IRAQ TO SYRIA. WE DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS WMD OR NOT, BUT YOU CAN'T PROVE IT WASN'T WMD!

Nice smokescreen.

David Kay:

"Right now we have a lot of people who are desperate to justify the Bush administration's decision to go to war with Iraq.

"They will focus on issues such as intent. You will also hear that although we haven't found the weapons or manufacturing capability, they could have been shipped across the border. You can't ship that which you haven't produced. You can't bury that which you haven't obtained or produced."

"Look, Saddam was delusional. He had a lot of intent. He wanted to be Saladin the Great, of the Middle East yet again. He wanted to put Iraq in a preeminent position to remove the US from the region," Kay added.

"He had a lot of intent. He didn't have capabilities. Intent without capabilities is not an imminent threat."

"There is the issue that remains as to whether the scientists and engineers living in the chaotic, corrupt situation in Iraq might have transferred individually technology to terrorists," he said.

But "that was not the case the administration made."

[thelmores]

Aside from this being a repost of the same article, I'll use Andrew's words. Read the report.

WMDs were destroyed. Sadham lied because we wanted to keep Iran at bay. The report is clear on these matters.

Duelfer said there was evidence of materials being sent to syria. What makes you think it was WMDs? Where does it say that in the report?

is all that talking points, or did you come up with all that yourself!

it would seem my friend, that unless you have a 100% accurate manifest of what went across the border, you have no idea what was shipped.

not to mention, i found it very interesting that saddam replaced the normal guards with his own special ones when these shipments were made.

like i said in my original post, one day we may have to take a look for ourselves, just to settle our neo-con minds!

[otoc]

is all that talking points, or did you come up with all that yourself!

it would seem my friend, that unless you have a 100% accurate manifest of what went across the border, you have no idea what was shipped.

not to mention, i found it very interesting that saddam replaced the normal guards with his own special ones when these shipments were made.

like i said in my original post, one day we may have to take a look for ourselves, just to settle our neo-con minds!

You kidder you. Lol, but I know you aren't a neocon. You tested where I did on that test thingy. So let's look at it from the position of realist.

We waited for the report to come out to put the matters to rest. We saw the first leader, Kaye, resign before the job was done. He was replaced by someone more, uh, political. When Kaye left, he was outspoken about the truth. His quote was earlier. He was there, btw. Duelfer, the pansy, verified what Kaye said, no WMDs. Gone after the first Gulf war. No replacements made. But he had to add the PC correct thing of putting every unsubstantiated rumor in the report. Or as he said it, he would err on the side of too much content. Then he had to preface the report with a "this report doesn't come right out and say anything, the reader will have to decide."

In spite of this, it's easy to see what Duelfer states as fact and what he states with rumor.

He states as a fact that the WMD were destroyed after the first Gulf War.

Now the trucks going to Syria before the war began. We know Sadham ran the black market. We know he used to replace the boarder guards with his people. We know his family ran away before we invaded. We know there were no WMD.

What we don't know is what was in the trucks.

As a realist, what do you think another invasion against an Arab state will do to the problem of people fighting us as pawns of terror? As a realist, do you think we could begin a third war without a draft?

[Vihsadas]

Good post. It's consistent with what I've read about the report and Duelfer.

[otoc]

Good post. It's consistent with what I've read about the report and Duelfer.

Hey, what are you doing here??!?!?

Don't you have some studying or somethin you should be doing instead of reading what people write about things they have no control over?

Not that I mean to judge. I should be writing a report instead of slacking myself.

[thelmores]

As a realist, what do you think another invasion against an Arab state will do to the problem of people fighting us as pawns of terror? As a realist, do you think we could begin a third war without a draft?

nope, i said AFTER we finish with iraq and afghanistan.

course that could be in twenty years!

MAYBE I STILL DREAM SOMEDAY WE WILL FIND THE MOTHERLOAD OF WMD's!

[jrhvball]

nope, i said AFTER we finish with iraq and afghanistan.

course that could be in twenty years!

MAYBE I STILL DREAM SOMEDAY WE WILL FIND THE MOTHERLOAD OF WMD's!

We know exactly where they are...in America and on our subs.

[clement]

Exactly, I hate all of these 30+ yr old armchair commanders who have a thirst for war but will never have the chance of getting drafted should the shit really hit the fan. Saddam giving the waepons to Syria is the most idiotic nonsense imagininable, he is now in US custody, the last place he ever wanted to be. The truth of the matter is that if he had the weapons he would have used them against us as his only card to play, but he didn't because he no longer had them.

He had them in '91 and didn't use them against us. Your rationale is flawed.

[CanadianMike]

anything to find justification.......

[jrhvball]

anything to find justification.......

Deja-vu?

[Andrew LB]

Let me translate this story.

ALOT OF STUFF WENT FROM IRAQ TO SYRIA. WE DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS WMD OR NOT, BUT YOU CAN'T PROVE IT WASN'T WMD!

Nice smokescreen.

David Kay:

"Right now we have a lot of people who are desperate to justify the Bush administration's decision to go to war with Iraq.

"They will focus on issues such as intent. You will also hear that although we haven't found the weapons or manufacturing capability, they could have been shipped across the border. You can't ship that which you haven't produced. You can't bury that which you haven't obtained or produced."

"Look, Saddam was delusional. He had a lot of intent. He wanted to be Saladin the Great, of the Middle East yet again. He wanted to put Iraq in a preeminent position to remove the US from the region," Kay added.

"He had a lot of intent. He didn't have capabilities. Intent without capabilities is not an imminent threat."

"There is the issue that remains as to whether the scientists and engineers living in the chaotic, corrupt situation in Iraq might have transferred individually technology to terrorists," he said.

But "that was not the case the administration made."

Information from the CIA, ISG, David Kay, and Duelfer all say it was military gear.

He had them in '91 and didn't use them against us. Your rationale is flawed.

Well.... to be honest... many people think he might have in a certain sense. Its called "gulf war syndrome". I know a guy who has it, and he said it wasn't caused by anything the US government gave him to repel chem/bio agents from the Iraqis.