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    Bush describes his own judgement preceding the war perfectly

    He was referring to Kerry here for his, allegations about the al qaaqaa weapons.. but I think he just OWNZORED HIMSELF..

    a political candidate who jumps to conclusions without knowing the facts is not a person you want as your Commander in Chief.
    And for once, I agree.

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    Re: Bush describes his own judgement preceding the war perfectly

    When did he jump to conclusions without knowing the facts? If your refering to the war, the information he was told at the time from tons of sources was believed to be fact. Kerry thought so too. Wheres the ownage?

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    Re: Bush describes his own judgement preceding the war perfectly

    Quote Originally Posted by Bearded Frog
    When did he jump to conclusions without knowing the facts? If your refering to the war, the information he was told at the time from tons of sources was believed to be fact. Kerry thought so too. Wheres the ownage?

    He only used one source for intelligence , Bush ignored anyone who said anything different then what he wanted to hear ie RITTER. http://forums.pcper.com/showthread.p...hlight=chalabi

    He pulled weapons inspectors out of Iraq prematurely..

    The possibility that Iraq had weapons was very doubtful, in the year 2002 http://www.usatoday.com/news/washing...wmd-hunt_x.htm


    He constantly lied and distorted to try and get support for the war , used false info to create a threat

    Read:http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/rele...20030319-1.html

    The claim? That Iraq was connected with 9/11 and/or harbour's terrorists. The truth? Saddam's regime was not a terrorist organization; Saddam's regime was not harbouring terrorists; Saddam's regime was not involved in 9/11. Saddam Hussein and his regime were a lot of things, but they were not connected with 9/11, nor were they harbouring terrorists, nor were they a terrorist organization themselves.



    Read:http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/rele...20021007-8.html

    The claim? That Iraq had attempted to purchase aluminium tubes for use in developing nuclear weapons. The truth? The Institute for Science and International Security disputed these claims and warned the Bush Administration not to use the fallacy. They concluded that the tubes were not evidence that Iraq had been rebuilding its nuclear weapons program.

    That's not bad intelligence, that's a lie.



    MSNBC: "They have been the closest of allies. But under the intense pressure of a diplomatic crisis at the United Nations and an imminent war in Iraq, the friendship between the United States and Britain is beginning to fray. The most recent strain emerged when U.N. nuclear inspectors concluded last week that U.S. and British claims about Iraq's secret nuclear program were based on forged documents. The fake letters supposedly laid out how Iraqi agents had tried to purchase uranium from officials in Niger, central Africa


    http://www.msnbc.com/news/883164.asp?cp1=1

    That's not bad intelligence, that's a lie.

    Read: http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2001/933.htm

    The claim? That Saddam Hussein had not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction; that Saddam Hussein was unable to project conventional power against his neighbours, let alone the United States of America. The Truth? Saddam Hussein did not develop any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction; that Saddam Hussein was unable to project conventional power against his neighbours, let alone the United States of America. A few months later they changed their story.

    Bush went to war under the pretense that Saddam was an imminent threat to our country..because he had WMD"S

    Using the critieria North Korea would definitely be a MUCH higher priority for Bush because there weapons systems were MUCH more advanced then Iraq's 1970's weapons capabilities. Also we know for a FACT he had them and he had threatened us with them. Also there is the thing about Korea being run by a COMPLETE LUNATIC.. who tortures and starves his own people.

    So if Bush was going to war because of a THREAT he would have dealt with North Korea first.. as it was clearly the much bigger threat.. This proves that WMD'S was not the reason but just, the proposed reason to cover up the actual reason..
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    Re: Bush describes his own judgement preceding the war perfectly

    …a political candidate who throws out the first pitch at the World Series or flies to Bagdad for Thanksgiving is a person you want as your Commander in Chief.

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    Re: Bush describes his own judgement preceding the war perfectly

    Quote Originally Posted by Bearded Frog
    When did he jump to conclusions without knowing the facts? If your refering to the war, the information he was told at the time from tons of sources was believed to be fact. Kerry thought so too. Wheres the ownage?

    Kerry's own campaign manager even said today on the news that Kerry was acting on zero facts.


    Bush was proven by the investigations by the CIA, FBI, MI-6 and Putins FSB to be telling the truth based on the intelligence given to him at the time and was not lying.


    There is a huge difference between these two incidents.


    Kerry got owned.

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    Re: Bush describes his own judgement preceding the war perfectly

    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew LB
    Kerry's own campaign manager even said today on the news that Kerry was acting on zero facts.


    Bush was proven by the investigations by the CIA, FBI, MI-6 and Putins FSB to be telling the truth based on the intelligence given to him at the time and was not lying.


    There is a huge difference between these two incidents.


    Kerry got owned.

    Just ignore all the forgeries..ignore all the people who said that Iraq had no weapons.ignore the fact that we only used one source for intel,ignore the fact that the U.N. wouldn't agree to validate a war based off piss poor evidence , ignore the fact that the weapons hunt was in doubt in 2002 , ignore the fact that BUSH's own administration said that Saddam was not a threat.. and then completely changed there story months later...

    If you're going to war you have to wiegh in all the evidence... Bush only looked at one sid of the wtory..

    If you're going to war you better be 120 percent positive that it is justified and not do things like pull the weapons inspectors out of iraq.. and knowingly base the war off of bogus documents///

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    Re: Bush describes his own judgement preceding the war perfectly

    Quote Originally Posted by Computerwiz
    Just ignore all the forgeries..ignore all the people who said that Iraq had no weapons.
    Who? France, Germany, and Russia? Those countries who were bribed by Saddam?


    ignore the fact that we only used one source for intel,
    Umm... 1 source?


    ignore the fact that the U.N. wouldn't agree to validate a war based off piss poor evidence ,
    The UN is worthless and paid for by the highest bidder that isn't the US.

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    Re: Bush describes his own judgement preceding the war perfectly

    We had at least 7 secret agents infiltrated in Saddams government alone...

    http://www.frontpagemagazine.com/Art...e.asp?ID=15688

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    Re: Bush describes his own judgement preceding the war perfectly

    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew LB
    We had at least 7 secret agents infiltrated in Saddams government alone...

    http://www.frontpagemagazine.com/Art...e.asp?ID=15688

    huh?

    To see why, try this thought experiment. Instead of having no human penetrations of Saddams regime at all (which was in fact the case), imagine the CIA had conducted wildly successful HUMINT operations. Imagine we had the espionage dream team in Baghdad, with seven well-placed agents clandestinely reporting to us from within the upper-most corridors of Iraqi power. These agents would be four-star generals and top-level cabinet ministers, people with direct personal access to Saddam Hussein, members of his inner circle. Assume the CIA had these agents fully vetted and controlled, so there was no question about the veracity of the intelligence they were passing us. Finally, say we had the Iraqi counterintelligence services penetrated enough to know that none of our seven agents were secretly being used by Saddam to deceive us.

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    Re: Bush describes his own judgement preceding the war perfectly

    time for bed....

    My reading comprehension has gone down the drain again.

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    Re: Bush describes his own judgement preceding the war perfectly

    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew LB
    time for bed....

    My reading comprehension has gone down the drain again.
    Happens to us all

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    Re: Bush describes his own judgement preceding the war perfectly

    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew LB
    time for bed....

    My reading comprehension has gone down the drain again.

    hahahah, it's really a bitch when people actually READ the articles you post isn't it??

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    Re: Bush describes his own judgement preceding the war perfectly

    a political candidate who jumps to conclusions without knowing the facts is not a person you want as your Commander in Chief.
    I don't know what's more pathetic, Bush's lines or the people that clap at them. The irony here is palpable.

    My video "tribute" to Armed Assault.

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    Re: Bush describes his own judgement preceding the war perfectly

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiles4
    I don't know what's more pathetic, Bush's lines or the people that clap at them. The irony here is palpable.
    like this:

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0041025-6.html

    "
    THE PRESIDENT: Thank you all. On good days and on bad days, whether the polls are up or the polls are down, I am determined to win the war on terror, and I will always support the men and women who do the fighting. (Applause.)

    My opponent has taken a different approach.

    AUDIENCE: Booo!

    THE PRESIDENT: It's fair to say that consistency has not been his strong point.

    AUDIENCE: Flip-flop! Flip-flop! Flip-flop!

    THE PRESIDENT: Senator Kerry says that we're better off with Saddam Hussein out of power, except when he declares that removing Saddam made us less safe. He stated in our second debate that he always believed that Saddam was a threat, except, a few questions later, when he said Saddam Hussein was not a threat.

    AUDIENCE: Flip-flop! Flip-flop! Flip-flop! "

    bb

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