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    OK, going to buy a 939 pin Winchester. But which one?

    I've finally decided to go A64 and I am trying to make up my mind which one to get.

    I want a 939 pin Winchester but I can't decide whether its worth paying more for a (notionally?) faster chip.

    What's the overclockability like on the 3000's and 3200's? Will I find I can clock a 3500 or a 3800 much higher?

    I want to be able to run the chip as fast as I can (so I don't need to replace it in a few months). But the 3800 is *very* expensive compared to (say) a 3200. Is it worth it?

    Opinions?

    Chip

    BTW: I could conceivably just say "sod it" and get an FX-55. Is that worth it? Or complete madness?
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    Re: OK, going to buy a 939 pin Winchester. But which one?

    i don't think there is a 3800 winchester yet.
    Generally, the winchester cores on average should overclock better the higher the rated speed, ON AVERAGE (please please do not try to refute and offer one point of data!!). The difference between the average max OC for each rating will probably be small, averaging 2400-2500 for the whole group (with maybe a few Mhz between each average for each rating).

    I think you are more likely to hit the speed you want when you start with a higher multiplier. For the $, the 3200 winchester is best with a 10x multiplier from a value perspective. The lower the multiple, the higher you'll have to get the HTT to go.

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    Re: OK, going to buy a 939 pin Winchester. But which one?

    Quote Originally Posted by steven975
    i don't think there is a 3800 winchester yet.
    Generally, the winchester cores on average should overclock better the higher the rated speed, ON AVERAGE (please please do not try to refute and offer one point of data!!). The difference between the average max OC for each rating will probably be small, averaging 2400-2500 for the whole group (with maybe a few Mhz between each average for each rating).

    I think you are more likely to hit the speed you want when you start with a higher multiplier. For the $, the 3200 winchester is best with a 10x multiplier from a value perspective. The lower the multiple, the higher you'll have to get the HTT to go.
    Thanks. So you think say 2400MHz is pretty likely out of a 3200+? I would be really pissed if I bought one and found it would only do (say) 2200Mz. I doubt a 2200MHz A64 is much faster than my current XP (which I can run at 2560MHz, if I push it)

    The "devil" inside me keeps saying "go on, get an FX-55". What do you think to that option? Barking mad, or justifiable, if you can afford it?

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    Re: OK, going to buy a 939 pin Winchester. But which one?

    actually, in many games the 3200 will be significanlty faster than a 2.5Ghz AthlonXP.

    I would say chances of a 3200 hitting 2.4Ghz are pretty high. not guaranteed, of course, but pretty high. If you won't miss the cash, why not get the FX55. I would say justifiable if you can afford it. The FX is a guaranteed 2.6Ghz with 1MB of cache and unlocked multipliers.

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    Re: OK, going to buy a 939 pin Winchester. But which one?

    my a64 winchester 3200+ is clocked at 2.2 right now and already its faster than my mobile xp at 2.5 was. this is by no means the fastest it will go, just haven't tried pushing it yet. just got it yesterday afterall.

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    Re: OK, going to buy a 939 pin Winchester. But which one?

    A 2.2Ghz A64 would be faster than your 2.5Ghz AXP.
    You'll get at least 2.4Ghz out of the 3200+

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    Re: OK, going to buy a 939 pin Winchester. But which one?

    OK, I decided to get an A64 3200+

    I figured once I am "the platform", then its easy to swap the processor out for something a little more "meaty" in a few months time. I can always ebay off the 3200+ and I won't lose too much money. Maybe $50 or so loss.

    But on the other hand, if I buy an FX-55 is maybe 6 months, I am sure I will save more than $50 on the purchase. I might even wait for the 90nm FX's, which I am sure won't be long coming.

    Anyway, thanks for the advice guys - I will let you all know how I get on.

    Just one small question: I am going to use the stock heatsink for a couple of days - just until a better Thermalright unit arrives. But the stock sink has a thermal pad attached, and i would rather use AS5.

    Is it easy to get the pad off? Does it just peel off? I don't want to scratch the bottom of the heatsink trying to remove it.

    Thanks once again

    Chip.

    EDIT: Scrub that. I just picked at it (the tab) and found its not a tab at all. Its just thermal gloop of unknown makeup. I have removed it and cleaned the sink thoroughly. Time for AS5!

    Cheers again
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    Re: OK, going to buy a 939 pin Winchester. But which one?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chippy
    But on the other hand, if I buy an FX-55 is maybe 6 months, I am sure I will save more than $50 on the purchase. I might even wait for the 90nm FX's, which I am sure won't be long coming.
    Actually I don't believe we will see 90nm FX chips for probably 6 months. I'm not even sure the FX 57 will be 90nm. I think AMD surprised everybody with the FX 55 being 130nm with strained silicon. But i've seen a couple of people in the forums who have the FX 55 running at 2.8+ but I don't remember if they are using Air or Water cooling.

    I just ordered a Winchester 3200 myself. Like you I am hoping I can it 2.4ghz. It is replacing my barton at 2.4.

    Good Luck

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    Re: OK, going to buy a 939 pin Winchester. But which one?

    Not to hichjack , but very same situation here about which A64 to get, I broke down and ordered the 3200 90nm as well. Now , Do not know if this is a bad choice , but I ordered the Asus A8V Deluxe board to go with it. Will be my first endeavor into Athlon 64 , going from my Barton 2500 Asus A7N8X deluxe.

    Good Luck to all of the people building and keep updates on how the builds go...

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    Re: OK, going to buy a 939 pin Winchester. But which one?

    Hey Liquid_Image, Tglasgow,

    That's the three of us in the same boat. Former XP owners all going to A64 3200+'s.

    Fairly daunting isn't it. Well it is for me. I knew XP like the back of my hand. I could build and configure an XP rig blindfolded.

    And now I don't even know how to attach the heatsink on A64! Let alone what HTT is and how to setup a nVidia raid array etc etc.

    Anyway, I am sure it will be a journey of experience. I just hope that after dismantling my trusty XP rig, I have a working computer a few hours later!

    Good luck to you both. Do let us know how you get on - you can PM me if you like.

    Cheers

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    Re: OK, going to buy a 939 pin Winchester. But which one?

    Well, count one more XP to A64 owner.

    I bought a A64 3200 with a MSI Neo2 Platinum and immediately overclocked it to 2400 MHz without even touching the default voltage settings

    It's pretty fast, Super_Pi 1M at 36 seconds compared to the 44 seconds my XP-2500 Barton could do at 2250 MHz.
    That is with the memory runining at 200 MHz because of my not so compatible with AMD64 TwinMos sticks.
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    Re: OK, going to buy a 939 pin Winchester. But which one?

    Me I'm going to get a 3500 90nm in April and use It with a New MSI K8T Neo2-F I'm also getting an XP-120 heatsink for use with It. What's everyones favorite ram for overclocking? OCZ, Corsair or Kingston?

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    Re: OK, going to buy a 939 pin Winchester. But which one?

    i like corsair.

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    Re: OK, going to buy a 939 pin Winchester. But which one?

    Quote Originally Posted by Karaya
    Well, count one more XP to A64 owner.

    I bought a A64 3200 with a MSI Neo2 Platinum and immediately overclocked it to 2400 MHz without even touching the default voltage settings

    It's pretty fast, Super_Pi 1M at 36 seconds compared to the 44 seconds my XP-2500 Barton could do at 2250 MHz.
    That is with the memory runining at 200 MHz because of my not so compatible with AMD64 TwinMos sticks.
    Wow, 36 seconds is pretty good. Just tried it with my XP-Mobile at 240x10 and it comes in a 43 seconds. I guess if you ran the memory at 240 on your A64, then it would be even quicker too :-)

    A quick question for you (as I have never built an A64 rig before).

    Did you follow Arctic Silver's recommendations for applying the stuff to the CPU. i.e. a small amount in the middle of the heatspreader and then just squish it down? I am a bit worried about the fact that doing it that way doesn't cover all of the CPU - just a round splat in the middle. You end up with parts of the top of the CPU not touching the heatsink at all and I am not very happy with that. Surely AMD decided to go with heatspreaders on the top of the CPU because they want as large a contact area as possible? Only having a round splat in the middle kindof defeats the object.

    I'd feel more comfortable spreading the stuff all over the top of the CPU, but then I guess it could ooze out the sides and do some damage somewhere.

    What's your experiences/recommendations?

    Thanks

    Chip

    EDIT, I will ask this question in a separate thread, if you don't mind.
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    Re: OK, going to buy a 939 pin Winchester. But which one?

    My 90nm 3500 just came in but I haven't decided on which mobo yet. I'm going to wait a few weeks to see what develops on the NF4 front.

    Hope it gets close to my FX

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