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    A64 3500+ - Newcastle 939 & Winchester 939?

    I currently have an Athlon XP-M @2.4ghz 1.65v on an EPoX 8RDA3+ and just bought an ATI X800 XT Platinum Edition video card (replacing my 9800 pro). From what i've been reading I've heard that my cpu will be bottlenecking my video card's performance. I'm an extreme gamer playing Half Life 2, Counterstrike:Source, and World of Warcraft and rely on great framerates.

    Anyways, I was looking into buying an A64 3500+ and was wondering the differences between the Winchester and Newcastle core.

    From what I've heard (might not be correct)

    Winchester runs at a lower default voltage and runs cooler than the Newcastle

    The Newcastle is a noticeably hotter and a tad slower than the winchester.

    The Newegg value diff is about 25-30 bucks. Can anyone tell me any truths to what I have just said or tell me that I'm completely wrong? Is it worth the extra bucks for the winchester core? Is the Winchester core more overclockable than the Newcastle?

    By the way dont suggest getting a s754 chip. I simply wont do it because i may want to get an FX later when they are more affordable. Any insight will be greatly appreciated especially with people with similar rigs. My benchmarks are in my sig. Thanks again.
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    Re: A64 3500+ - Newcastle 939 & Winchester 939?

    The Winchestor is also a 90nm part, where the Newcastle is a 130nm part, as well as the Winchestor has more a recent Core Revision (D0).

    If I were you, I would get the Winchestor, as the above reasons would satisfy the $30 gap between the two products.

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    Re: A64 3500+ - Newcastle 939 & Winchester 939?

    At Newegg it is $25 difference between Retail versions (That's my preference) and only $2 difference between the OEM versions..... If you like the short warranties of OEM parts (or don't care)....then that would be the way to go.

    I had the same question and bought a 3500+ Winchester.... I am happy so far.
    There are advantages to being retarded...and I'm taking advantage of all of them.

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    Re: A64 3500+ - Newcastle 939 & Winchester 939?

    Just installed my X800 XT Platinum Edition

    Here are my updated scores compared to my whole rig. (only a video card swap out)

    3DMark2001: 21096 = a 15.2% gain (not much)

    3DMark2003: 11725 = a 100.5% gain!!! (holy crap!)

    3DMark2005: 5748 = a 130.0% gain!!! (JEEBUS!)

    My old scores are in my sig. Looks like I wont be needing to upgrade to A64 after all!

    Hope these results help you guys out. i figure spend 290 bucks on a winchester + 170 mobo + some 251 dollar 1gb XLL dual channel ram or spend 545 bucks on a video card and see way more performance. Wow i'm satisfied. Looks like I'll be holding off on the A64 til they become a lot cheaper.

    My advice instead of getting new mobo/cpu/ram combo. Just get an X800 XT Platinum Edition!!!! (remember to have at least an Athlon XP 3200 or Overclocked one and 8x AGP capabilities!!!)

    These scores are all without overclocking the video card and Overdrive. I'll post some overdrive scores later.
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    ASUS M2N-SLI Deluxe Socket AM2 NVIDIA nForce 570 SLI (nForce 9.16)
    (2x1GB) CORSAIR XMS2 2GB DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400)
    Sapphire x1950XT 256MB with Catalyst Drivers 6.11 (Default speeds)
    Western Digital 74GB Raptor 10,000RPM (Master)
    Western Digital 300GB 8MB Cache 7200 RPM (Slave)
    Sound Blaster Live X-Fi
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    Re: A64 3500+ - Newcastle 939 & Winchester 939?

    Here are the overdrive scores

    3DMark2001: 21096 (overdrive: 21141)

    3DMark2003: 11725 (overdrive: 11818)

    3DMark2005: 5748 (overdrive: 5784)
    Athlon X2 6000+ Windsor 3.0ghz Socket AM2
    ASUS M2N-SLI Deluxe Socket AM2 NVIDIA nForce 570 SLI (nForce 9.16)
    (2x1GB) CORSAIR XMS2 2GB DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400)
    Sapphire x1950XT 256MB with Catalyst Drivers 6.11 (Default speeds)
    Western Digital 74GB Raptor 10,000RPM (Master)
    Western Digital 300GB 8MB Cache 7200 RPM (Slave)
    Sound Blaster Live X-Fi
    Windows XP Pro with SP2
    550W Logisys PSU with 2 Fans
    6 Cooler Master LED Case fans @ 2600 RPM


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    Re: A64 3500+ - Newcastle 939 & Winchester 939?

    Quote Originally Posted by deanhonda
    Just installed my X800 XT Platinum Edition

    Here are my updated scores compared to my whole rig. (only a video card swap out)

    3DMark2001: 21096 = a 15.2% gain (not much)

    3DMark2003: 11725 = a 100.5% gain!!! (holy crap!)

    3DMark2005: 5748 = a 130.0% gain!!! (JEEBUS!)

    My old scores are in my sig. Looks like I wont be needing to upgrade to A64 after all!

    Hope these results help you guys out. i figure spend 290 bucks on a winchester + 170 mobo + some 251 dollar 1gb XLL dual channel ram or spend 545 bucks on a video card and see way more performance. Wow i'm satisfied. Looks like I'll be holding off on the A64 til they become a lot cheaper.

    My advice instead of getting new mobo/cpu/ram combo. Just get an X800 XT Platinum Edition!!!! (remember to have at least an Athlon XP 3200 or Overclocked one and 8x AGP capabilities!!!)

    These scores are all without overclocking the video card and Overdrive. I'll post some overdrive scores later.
    I think you'll see a noticeable If you go A64..... 2001 uses more processer than 2003 and 2005 which are Video card dominated.
    Last edited by PandaZ3; 11-30-2004 at 12:34 AM.
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    Re: A64 3500+ - Newcastle 939 & Winchester 939?

    Quote Originally Posted by deanhonda
    I currently have an Athlon XP-M @2.4ghz 1.65v on an EPoX 8RDA3+ and just bought an ATI X800 XT Platinum Edition video card (replacing my 9800 pro). From what i've been reading I've heard that my cpu will be bottlenecking my video card's performance. I'm an extreme gamer playing Half Life 2, Counterstrike:Source, and World of Warcraft and rely on great framerates.

    Anyways, I was looking into buying an A64 3500+ and was wondering the differences between the Winchester and Newcastle core.

    From what I've heard (might not be correct)

    Winchester runs at a lower default voltage and runs cooler than the Newcastle

    The Newcastle is a noticeably hotter and a tad slower than the winchester.

    The Newegg value diff is about 25-30 bucks. Can anyone tell me any truths to what I have just said or tell me that I'm completely wrong? Is it worth the extra bucks for the winchester core? Is the Winchester core more overclockable than the Newcastle?

    By the way dont suggest getting a s754 chip. I simply wont do it because i may want to get an FX later when they are more affordable. Any insight will be greatly appreciated especially with people with similar rigs. My benchmarks are in my sig. Thanks again.
    The Winchester(.09Microns/90nm) has a default vcore of 1.40v and
    The Newcastle (.13Microns/130nm) has a default vcore of 1.50v as far as I know.

    Me I've heard that the 90nm will go as high as 3.0Ghz, And that the 130nm will only go as high as 2.7Ghz or so. So even though It costs more I'm getting the 3500 90nm cpu and not the 130nm version.

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