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  1. #76
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    Re: Pentagon admits war in Iraq is a present failure

    Quote Originally Posted by fireman_x
    So we'll ignore rogue nations that could pose a challenge to us? I know the history of the Korean war so your semi-ambiguous posts aren't going over anyone's head. It's highly unlikely that China would interfere if we were to attack/invade North Korea. Most likely they would use that opportunity to invade Taiwan as they have been planning to do over the last few years.

    We're NOT ignoring themWe're in the process of 6 way talks to work with North Korea, as well as multinational talks with Iran.

    Isn't this what you wanted the US to do with Iraq? (like we did for 12 years)


    All you want to do is bash the president
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    If the cia had that info before the war in Iraq, there should never have been a war in Iraq.
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    The CIA said they had WMD, programs, and much more.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_R...s_Against_Iraq
    Last edited by smoked trout; 12-08-2004 at 05:50 PM.

  2. #77
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    Re: Pentagon admits war in Iraq is a present failure

    Quote Originally Posted by l3p3r_M355i4h
    Jealously is a powerful thing, and I beleive that to a certain degree that the rest of the world is a bit jealous of us.
    I don't think people in reasonably wealthy and free countries (the US "allies") are jealous of the US - just scared of it at the moment!

    Fear leads to anger etc...

  3. #78
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    Re: Pentagon admits war in Iraq is a present failure

    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew LB
    We're NOT ignoring themWe're in the process of 6 way talks to work with North Korea, as well as multinational talks with Iran.

    Isn't this what you wanted the US to do with Iraq? (like we did for 12 years)


    All you want to do is bash the president
    If the cia had that info before the war in Iraq, there should never have been a war in Iraq.
    The CIA said they had WMD, programs, and much more.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_R...s_Against_Iraq
    It's nice to see that your hate level for me is rising.
    Last edited by smoked trout; 12-08-2004 at 05:53 PM.

  4. #79
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    Re: Pentagon admits war in Iraq is a present failure

    Quote Originally Posted by elliott
    The following is a dramatization - I hope.
    Not by much.

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    Re: Pentagon admits war in Iraq is a present failure

    US strategy 'based in fantasyland'

    "America's handling of the occupation of Iraq came in for scathing criticism yesterday, with government officials accused of living in a "fantasyland" and failing to learn from mistakes made in Vietnam.

    A report issued by the independent Centre for Strategic and International Studies charged that the occupation had been handled by "ideologues" in the Bush administration who consistently underestimated the scale of the problems they were facing and this had contributed to a culture in which facts were wilfully misrepresented.

    The report lists a litany of errors on the part of the US. "Their strategic assessments of Iraq were wrong," it says. "They were fundamentally wrong about how the Iraqi people would view the United States invasion. They were wrong about the problems in establishing effective governance, and they underestimated the difficulties in creating a new government that was legitimate in Iraqi eyes.

    "They greatly exaggerated the relevance and influence of Iraqi exiles, and greatly underestimated the scale of Iraq's economic, ethnic, and demographic problems."

    The report lays responsibility for these errors with the policymakers in Washington.

    "The problem with dealing with the Iraqi army and security forces was handled largely by ideologues who had a totally unrealistic grand strategy for transforming Iraq and the Middle East," the report says.

    Under the heading "Denial as a method of counter-insurgency warfare", it notes that the US "failed to honestly assess the facts on the ground in a manner reminiscent of Vietnam".


    But there was a rare attempt at honesty in the Pentagon yesterday when the defence secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, said he was "truly saddened" that anybody might think he did not care about US soldiers. "Their grief," he said, "is something I feel to my core."

    American efforts to rebuild Iraq received a further blow yesterday when it was revealed that one of the leading US contractors in the region, Contrack International, was pulling out. The decision to scrap its $325m (170m) contract to rebuild transport in frastructure was prompted by rising violence and related security costs, the company said. The decision marks the first time that a prime contractor has decided to leave Iraq.

    "The security environment is not always permissive to doing the kind of work that they were trying to do," a Pentagon spokesman said.

    Contrack was supposed to construct new roads, bridges and transportation terminals in Iraq. But it wound up only refurbishing a handful of train depots, reported the Los Angeles Times. Construction sites came under small-arms and mortar fire, and, earlier this year, an Egyptian driver working for the company was kidnapped by insurgents. His body was found 12 days later, with five bullet holes to the head."

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