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    i now have a choice cable or dsl which one

    dsl just became available in my area today, i am currently using @home cable, i am alittle mad at @home,because of the countless outages and problems,heres my question,should i change to dsl,and why

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    @Home I hear is a bad serivice.

    If you are pretty damn close to your phone company or major phone router, get DSL as it should be just as fast or faster than your cable service.

    I have the Time Warner Road Runner cable and it seems to be going fine for the most part. It is up most of the time. But since you are having problems..I suggest you get DSL as it would probably be better..

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    By the time you read this, I should have my OC12 line installed.

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    You suck..I am going to get an OC192..LOL

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    the info i just got from the qwest ordering service, is im 12600
    ft from a major router,they just did a copper wire conversion it just finished last week,they will garuntee betwem 256 and 640kps upstream of 256 downstream so on the suface it seems just as fast as cable,dunno, im going to change i think
    Last edited by randsom; 05-31-2001 at 12:20 AM.

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    I have had both DSL and Cable.

    Cable is a lot faster than DSL most (90%) of the time.

    Cable can be real slow on Friday and Saturday nights. My cable has rated lower than a 56K modem on a busy Friday or Saturday night. DSL stay real consistant.

    IMHO DSL is the best between the two.


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    Originally posted by randsom
    the info i just got from the qwest ordering service, is im 12600
    ft from a major router,they just did a copper wire conversion it just finished last week,they will garuntee betwem 256 and 640kps upstream of 256 downstream so on the suface it seems just as fast as cable,dunno, im going to change i think

    wow that's pretty fast.. hehe j/k that's so friggen slow that's like 80KB/sec that's hurting ...

    I get 4.0Mbps with @home sometimes faster than that. I don't know how your @home is there but all DSL companies suck down here. Why pay more for less? Cable is cheap 29.99 here when DSL is the same price down here and you get those crappy speeds you were talking about with DSL. My connection never slows down.
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    UPDATE,

    im within 1200 feet,and theyre tech support says mine line qualifies to 1.5mps, so whatcha yall think, this dsl is sounding better all the time

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    Realize that there are many type of DSL...

    ...and ADSL is the worst of them!

    Consider this: Even on the worst days, you will at least average roughly 900-1200kbps on cable, which works out to roughly 112KB/s - 150KB/s downstream. Upstream, on the other hand, although not completely symmetrical, comes pretty close. Usually anywhere between 80KB/s - 150KB/s


    ADSL is asymmetrical, meaning you get a much faster downstream maximum than upstream. For home users, ADSL usually provides anywhere from 1.0Mbps - 1.5Mbps dowstream speeds and 256kbps - 640kbps upstream speeds. Also, since the line is affected by interference, cross-talk, and copper-wire distance, most users will experience about a 10%-30% drop in speed off their total.
    Assuming the user is located close to the switchboard, let's assume there is only a 10% decrease in performance:

    1.5Mbps - 10% = 1.35Mbps = 169KB/s ABSOLUTE MAXIMUM dowstream!!
    640kbps - %10 = 576kbps = 72KB/s ABSOLUTE MAXIMUM UPSTREAM

    So, from the results, as you can see, ADSL service in the best conditions, barely matches cable in its worst state!!


    One other thing you should consider, especially if you are a gamer. Cable ping times are much much lower than those using ADSL. This is regardless of how fast you can upload/download.


    Hope this helps!

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    LOL, cable is also asymetrical. Your upload is lower value then your download. Cable ISP uses a strong push signal to allow higher download rates, it also has one other drawback. Constant reconnects, it dosen't maintain a steady stream of data.

    But before you guys jump down my throat, the impact is minimal except in extreme load areas.

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    ...Bryan: newer cable standards aren't that asymmetrical...

    ...at least not as bad as it used to be.

    When cable was first introduced, the link delivered to the area was a 50Mbps downstream, and 3Mbps upstream. This has what has lead people to believe cable is completely asymmetrical. However, at least in my area, my upstream speeds are within 25% of my download speeds. I explained earlier that I download at speeds anywhere between 100KB/s and 150KB/s. On the otherhand, I upload to either FTP server or other cable modems at a speed anywhere between 75KB/s and 110KB/s. This value increases when using multiple streams. For instance, I used to run an FTP server (back a couple of years). I would have roughly 7-8 people connected, all downloading off my server at speeds between 15-30 KB/s. Even if you take the lowest value of that (which is 15KB/s) and multiply it by 6, you get 90KB/s. Being realistic, on the other hand, usually at least 2-3 of the people connected would be getting speeds of 20-30 KB/s. If you incorporate this into the equation, my upstream speed maxes out at about 135-150KB/s, when using multiple connection streams.



    Ofcourse, while downloading using multiple connection streams, my DL speed also increases....but we don't have to mention that right now.
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    Broadband connections are asymetrical by there nature as its a mono-line connection which create contention between upload and download. Now if you had multi-line none push system ie t1-3 or oc types you have equal upload/download ratio.

    I loved working on govt fibre links at 7am, just me and the bandwidth.

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    My @Home service rocks. Ive had download speeds over 500k/sec. I usually dont get any performance decrease during peak hours either.

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    if anyone can prove dsl outperforms cable ...then i will show you some ocean front property in Alberta...cable all the way !!!!

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    i cant play games worth crap sometimes with cable, id rather have dsl, but, unfortunately, it is not available in my area.
    yes, i have had dsl before, 384/272Kbps was plenty fast for me.
    sure, i can download sp2 for windows in 10 minutes, but i dare not create another hardcore character in diablo 2 (you can only die once)

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