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    K7N2 Delta2-LSR .... New Build Questions

    A friend has asked me to build a PC for him in the next week or two. It's the first time I've built a PC in a couple of years, so I've been shopping around a wee bit. Cost is a major issue in the build of the box, so I'm trying to squeeze everything I can out of limited funds. From what I see, here's the system I've kind of spec'ed out for him.

    K7N2 Delta2-LSR
    2x512 DC Kingmax PC3200
    160 Gig WD drive
    Antec 350W PS
    2500+ Barton (Mobile or Desktop?)

    My hope is to bump the FSB of the PC to 200 FSB, creating the "instant" 3200+ that seems to be the norm. That will be the extent of the overclocking for this board. Everything else will run at stock, or as close to stock as I can get, to achieve this target. It won't be pushed in any way, shape or form, so ........ here's my questions:

    1. Is there anything that sticks out as a possible issue with the K7N2 in the few items I have listed?
    2. I know the Kingmax memory isn't a major enthusiast brand, but I only need it to be stable at PC3200 speeds. Does anyone have any experience or know of any issues with this mem brand?
    3. 2500+ Barton .... should I stick with the desktop CPU or go for the mobile version of the chip? The last time I built a machine was my own in 2003, before AMD began locking multipliers. The mobile hints at better results, but I've read a couple of the stories here about the mobile not being recognized by this board, so I'm a bit concerned about that.

    Any advice would be greatly welcomed in this matter.

    Thanks in advance.
    Last edited by kavadon; 03-16-2005 at 12:21 AM. Reason: Kingmax memory.... not Kingwin

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    Re: K7N2 Delta2-LSR .... New Build Questions

    If it ships with the B40 bios, the wiser heads here say to flash back to B30 (/F key required) or ahead to the beta B50 bios for stability.

    I'm prejudiced to mobiles, but if 3200 is the top goal, I'd get the cheapest Barton available that'll do 2200/PR3200.

    Personally, I don't think it's important if the precise chip ID shows on post screen - as long as it's running at the desired speed, and can be IDed by software like cpu-z.

    Good luck!
    Last edited by xroyal; 03-15-2005 at 09:28 PM.

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    Re: K7N2 Delta2-LSR .... New Build Questions

    Many thanks for the reply.

    From what little I've read lately, almost everyone is still having good luck with the 2500+'s or at least being able to bump the FSB to 3200+ speeds, so the desktop version is the way I'm leaning at the moment.

    Any other thoughts or issues on the config? Now my next concern is the memory......

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    Re: K7N2 Delta2-LSR .... New Build Questions

    Heres another thing you may want to ask around about as it is an issue with some NF2 mobos. In some cases the chipset doesn't get along with 2 double sided memory sticks. This may not be an issue with the MSI boxes but it is an issue with some. Someone else may hae input on this as I've never ran a gig in my MSI rig. The Antec should be OK but the newer models of Enermax 350 watters have a better 12 volt rail output. I believe the new ones are either 26 or 28A on the 12 volt rail and thats where you're gonna need the most power with one of these setups. If the Antec is 20A+ then it should be OK.

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    Re: K7N2 Delta2-LSR .... New Build Questions

    Understood. I'll check on the Enermax PSU and weigh it out.

    As for the mobile selection, I've browsed the threads more since my last post and see MANY of the members have success with the mobile chips, so maybe it's time I step out on a limb and try it....... so now............

    Mobile choices: 2400+ ? 2500+ ? 2600+ ?

    Looks like the mobile XP 2600+ is lightning in a bottle for many people, the magic bullet. I see on Newegg that it's $10 US more than the 2500+.

    Any one have any preferences on the mobile chips on these boards?

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    Re: K7N2 Delta2-LSR .... New Build Questions

    I run an unlocked 2500 in my KT6, and there was no problem with 2500 doing 2200mhz all day long. I only owned the K7N2G-L so I can't vouch for how good yours will overclock. Myself, I love my KT6 over the Nforce2 series. I spent the money for dual channel, and all the hype, and even bought a Ti4100 video card, but I never could get it to run much past maybe 180. The KT6 runs 11X200 all day long using Corcell.One thing, load the latest drivers off the web. I had a ton of trouble with my audio, but I'm sure they took care of that a long time ago.I wound up RMA 2 Nforce2s, before I gave up and moved on. BD51
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    Re: K7N2 Delta2-LSR .... New Build Questions

    Go mobile 2400M and get some TCCD based memory like the GSill or Patriot XBL etc. I'm runnig two double sided 512Mb sticks of GSkill 3200 GBle 11x223 (Cas 2.5-3-3-11) with my 2600M. I had a single stick up to 228 so there is a penalty with two sticks. The lack of voltage adjustment for the chipset probably is holding me back. The board does recognize the mobile initially, (until you oc the p out of it ).

    Definitely lose the B40 bios immediately. I wasted time initially trying to get her stable. Once I flashed (I used winflash) it was a totally different animal to work with. It's a fast rig once you get it dialed in.
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    Re: K7N2 Delta2-LSR .... New Build Questions

    Yep, the 2600 mobile the best all around, but IF you're only shooting for a stable 2200 or maybe 2300, cheaper 2400 mobile will do the job. Especially as you're building it for a friend, doubt if you're anxious to be treking over to his house to be adjusting a finely tuned faster rig w/2600, but then again, maybe you would?
    Last edited by xroyal; 03-16-2005 at 10:49 AM.

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    Re: K7N2 Delta2-LSR .... New Build Questions

    No, no.... not so much. The friend lives 80 miles away, so I just want to get something that will run steady, stable, and worry free at that speed once I get it all set up.

    So the K7N2 with the B30 Bios
    XP Mobile 2400+
    Antec (or possibly Enermax) PSU
    and..... whatever memory I choose to go with....

    Are the MSI NF2 boards still as picky about memory as the all the other NF2 boards were in the beginning?

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    Re: K7N2 Delta2-LSR .... New Build Questions

    Crucial is usually a safe bet. Here is a link for their options on the Delta2 "F"SR (typo). Think they give free shipping over $40, and a 30 day return for full credit.

    http://www.crucial.com/store/listpar...R%29&submit=Go

    Note: You can get 2x256 3200 or 4000 Ballistix for $104 (includes 4% discount). Should be good for A64 in later years. Cheaper regular 3200 2.5 sticks above.
    Last edited by xroyal; 03-16-2005 at 09:14 PM.

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    Re: K7N2 Delta2-LSR .... New Build Questions

    The B50 bios final has now been posted on the USA site but appears to be the same as the one I linked previously. The B40 and B50 bioses both need to be run with D.O.T. enabled for stability.

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    Thumbs up Re: K7N2 Delta2-LSR .... New Build Questions - UPDATE

    Guys, just wanted to say thanks for all the help and answers.

    Went with....
    K7N2 Delta2 LSR (w/ B50 BIOS)
    XP-M 2400+
    1 GB (512x2) Corsair Value Select
    Silent Cool ThermalTake Heatsink
    Antec PSU (rated @ 21 Amps on the 12V rail, so I'm pretty cool with that)

    Put it all together on Tuesday night. Cranked it up on Wednesday night after full OS and driver installs. Little bit of stability issue concerned me Wed night......so on everyone's advice, I bumped it up to the b50 BIOS and it's been smooooooooooth since then. 200 x 11.0 @ 1.725V Vcore. Everything else is default settings.

    Running full tilt right now after 6+ hours of Prime95 and I'm at 47 C..... I am soooo happy with that. I really want to push it just a little bit further, but the rational side of me is saying "just be happy where it's at".

    Oh well. I can't say enough good things about this MSI board. I will highly recommend it to anyone who will listen. It's got me wondering if I "need" a second PC for my own use.

    And also thanks to everyone who pitched in with ideas and opinions. I really appreciate it. That's why these forums are the best on the web.

    I'll let you know what the final "user" verdict is when I turn this toy over to its real owner on Saturday, but I know the "builder" is thrilled.

    Thanks again.

    -kav

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    Re: K7N2 Delta2-LSR .... New Build Questions

    You amy find Kav that with that mobile you could try to start inching the Vcore down a notch at a time to see if it'll stay stable. Mind you if the build is going out the door if you really want to assure stability you could leave it where it is. Both of my 2500Ms are good for and easy 200X11 at 1.55Vcore. Because there default Vcore is only 1.45V they are some of the best CPUs for OCing due to there low heat output simply because they require less voltage to get there.

    Glad you like the board.
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    Re: K7N2 Delta2-LSR .... New Build Questions

    Agree with RH.

    While 1.725 isn't bad at all, my experiments with the 2400 mobile said mine was happy at 1.65v at 200x11, cpu idle temps around mid 30sC (voltage reqs drop as you go up the mobile ladder to the 2600). Then again, I'm in a cool Oregon climate and cpu steppings/rig gear varies. Forgotten if your location shown in text, but if you're in Panama , cut it all you can. Not so important in Vancouver,BC. Mainly, have it leave your house stable.

    Congrats on a good build!
    Last edited by xroyal; 03-25-2005 at 12:05 PM.

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    Re: K7N2 Delta2-LSR .... New Build Questions

    xroyal-

    I tried 1.65V but couldn't keep it stable at 200x11 (although that was with the b40 BIOS....hmmmmm). I will drop it back down tonight when I get home and crunch it some more on Prime95.

    In the meantime, even at 1.725 Volts, I'm at 27ish C while idle, and about 47ish C under full load for several hours, so temps should not be an issue even if I'm forced to stay at that voltage.

    I will go home tonight and drop back a couple of Vcore notches using the new BIOS.

    Thanks guys.....appreciate the wisdom of the masses.

    -kav

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