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  1. #76
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    Re: GOP - Setting the ethics bar

    Quote Originally Posted by AMDScooter
    Right, but he is the one spoon feeding the information to the GJ behind closed doors. We have no idea what he is showing them. It has been said many times before you can get an indictment on a ham sandwich pretty easily. An indictment is a LONG way from a conviction.
    It'll all depend on the jury selection, if it gets that far

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    Re: GOP - Setting the ethics bar

    I wonder if there will be an investigation of Waters also? The connections are not illegal under California law or House ethics rules, but neither is what DeLay did as far as I can tell. Wanna take bets??

    Rep. Waters family benefits from connections

    Rep. Waters(D - CA)family benefits from connections

    Washington, DC, Dec. 20 (UPI) -- Rep. Maxine Waters' family has reportedly earned more than $1 million in eight years doing business with other candidates, companies and causes.

    The Los Angeles Times reports the daughter and son of the California Democrat garnered fees from campaigns Waters endorsed, and her husband worked for a bond underwriting company with government contracts from her political allies.

    The connections are not illegal under California law or House ethics rules.

    Waters told the newspaper her family's businesses were separate from her political career.

    Citing public disclosure records, the newspaper reported of the $1.7 million L.A. Vote, a Los Angeles political organization that publishes election mailers endorsed by Waters, collected in the last eight years, nearly $450,000 went to Waters' daughter, Karen, and her consulting firm.

    Around $115,000 was reportedly paid to the son of the congresswoman.

    Waters' husband, Sidney Williams, was reportedly paid nearly $500,000 for consulting work with Siebert, Brandford & Shank, a municipal bond company and from politicians the congresswomen has backed.
    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


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    Re: GOP - Setting the ethics bar

    Grasping at straws... I love it.
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    On Nov. 6, 1963, Laura Welch (now Bush) ran a stop sign and murdered Michael Douglas.
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    Re: GOP - Setting the ethics bar

    Quote Originally Posted by jrhvball
    Grasping at straws... I love it.
    We can see your love of it, it's all you seem able to do lately.
    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


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    Re: GOP - Setting the ethics bar

    Conflict of interests???

    DeLay's critic

    By Greg Pierce
    THE WASHINGTON TIMES

    DeLay's critic
    A Texas district attorney who denies partisan motives for his investigation of a political group founded by Republican leader Tom DeLay was the featured speaker last week at a Democratic fundraiser where he spoke about the congressman, the Houston Chronicle reports.

    A newly formed Democratic political action committee, Texas Values in Action Coalition, hosted the May 12 event in Dallas to raise campaign money to take control of the state Legislature from the Republicans, organizers told reporter Michael Hedges.

    Travis County District Attorney Ronnie Earle, an elected Democrat, helped generate $102,000 for the organization.

    In his remarks, Mr. Earle likened Mr. DeLay to a bully and spoke about political corruption and the investigation involving Mr. DeLay, the House majority leader, according to a transcript supplied by Mr. Earle.

    "This case is not just about Tom DeLay. If it isn't this Tom DeLay, it'll be another one, just like one bully replaces the one before," the paper quoted Mr. Earle as saying.

    The crowd of 80 to 100 Democratic activists responded by making donations that exceeded the event's fundraising goal, the paper said.

    Political analysts said Mr. Earle's appearance left him open to questions about his motives.

    "It may help Tom DeLay establish his case that Ronnie Earle's investigation is a partisan witch hunt," said Richard Murray, a political scientist with the University of Houston.
    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


    -The Gipper


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    Re: GOP - Setting the ethics bar

    It seems Mr. Earle doesn't have a problem with manipulating cases to his liking, reading this makes me wonder what this is really about:

    http://www.nationalreview.com/york/york200506200910.asp

    Ronnie Earle, the Texas prosecutor who has indicted associates of House Majority Leader Tom DeLay in an ongoing campaign-finance investigation, dropped felony charges against several corporations indicted in the probe in return for the corporations' agreement to make five- and six-figure contributions to one of Earle's pet causes.
    The companies denied wrongdoing. Two sources with extensive knowledge of the case involving one of those companies, Sears, spoke at length to NRO and say that Sears executives were convinced the company had done nothing illegal when it contributed $25,000 to TRMPAC. Given that, according to the sources, Sears lawyers were not interested in a plea bargain to end the case. "We were pretty confident that we would win," one source says.

    When the company's representatives spoke to Earle, they discovered that the prosecutor was not as adamant about prosecuting them as his public words might have suggested. Indeed, the sources say Earle was willing to drop the charges, providing Sears met a few of his conditions.
    Very interesting read, and calls some of his prosecution cases and ethics into question. If a prosecuter told me to pony up some cash and they would look the other way, I would say there is a big problem.
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    Re: GOP - Setting the ethics bar

    More questions as to the motivation...

    Ronnie Earle Cleared DeLay Two Weeks Ago

    Thursday, Sept. 29, 2005 11:44 a.m. EDT

    Ronnie Earle Cleared DeLay Two Weeks Ago

    Travis County prosecutor Ronnie Earle's announcement yesterday that he was indicting House Majority Leader Tom DeLay came a little more than two weeks after Earle gave clear indications that the top Republican was off the hook.

    "I have never said that DeLay is a target of the investigation," Earle told the Dallas Morning News on Sept. 10.

    Sources familiar with Earle's investigation had agreed that, before yesterday, it didn't look like the top Republican would be indicted.

    On Sept. 19, for instance, ace Newsweek sleuth Michael Isikoff reported that it looked like DeLay was in the clear:

    "Travis County District Attorney Ronnie Earle's two-year campaign fund-raising probe is expected to wind down soon without bringing charges against the House majority leader, according to lawyers close to the case who declined to be identified because of legal sensitivities," Isikoff reported.

    "Earle doesn't plan to refer evidence to the prosecutor in DeLay's home district either," an Earle spokesman told Newsweek.

    So what changed?

    DeLay says reports that he was off the hook prompted a firestorm of outrage from national Democrats, who pressured Earle to reverse course.

    "Do you really believe that the national Democrat leaders that announced that they were going to take this strategy ... never picked up the phone and talked to Ronnie Earle?" he asked the Fox News Channel's "Hannity & Colmes" Wednesday night.
    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


    -The Gipper


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    Re: GOP - Setting the ethics bar

    Ethics? Were gonna talk about Delays ethics when hes being prosecuted by this "ethical" gentleman? This guy think hes the new Truman Capote or something? I cant wait for the defense of this:

    Coming Soon: The Ronnie Earle Movie
    The DeLay prosecutor has let a film crew follow him through the whole case.

    For the last two years, as he pursued the investigation that led to Wednesday's indictment of House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, Travis County, Texas prosecutor Ronnie Earle has given a film crew "extraordinary access" to make a motion picture about his work on the case.

    The resulting film is called The Big Buy, made by Texas filmmakers Mark Birnbaum and Jim Schermbeck. "Raymond Chandler meets Willie Nelson on the corner of Wall Street and Pennsylvania Avenue in The Big Buy, a Texas noir political detective story that chronicles what some are calling a 'bloodless coup with corporate cash,'" reads a description of the picture on Birnbaum's website, markbirnbaum.com. The film, according to the description, "follows maverick Austin DA Ronnie Earle's investigation into what really happened when corporate money joined forces with relentless political ambitions to help swing the pivotal 2002 Texas elections, cementing Republican control from Austin to Washington DC."

    "We approached him [Earle], and he offered us extraordinary access to him and, to an extent, to his staff," Birnbaum told National Review Online Thursday. "We've been shooting for about two years."


    ^^Thats at National Review. Is that an example of what democrats feel is ok? Film the case while its ongoing?
    Nah. The prosecutor doesnt have any political agenda. Just doing his job.
    And the timing with Roberts vote was an accident.

    Dont get me wrong. If Delay is a crook fry his ass. But do it in court or as a result of a verdict. The entire film deal just cheapens and raises questions around the entire deal. How can anyone conclude this mess is a legal only deal...that political motivations are absent.

    As far as Im concerned these witch hunts are no different than the Joseph McCarthy days...when there was a commie in every closet. Its just not about commies anymore.[as I read the new questions about Harry Reid and money going astray]
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    Re: GOP - Setting the ethics bar

    Another right-wing nut job shows their true colors:

    Bennett Under Fire for Remark on Crime and Black Abortions
    Democratic lawmakers and civil rights leaders denounced conservative commentator William J. Bennett yesterday for suggesting on his syndicated radio show that aborting black children would reduce the U.S. crime rate.

    The former U.S. education secretary-turned-talk show host said Wednesday that "if you wanted to reduce crime, you could -- if that were your sole purpose -- you could abort every black baby in this country, and your crime rate would go down." Bennett quickly added that such an idea would be "an impossible, ridiculous and morally reprehensible thing to do." But, he said, "your crime rate would go down."

    Bennett's comments, flagged by the liberal news media watchdog group Media Matters for America, were quickly condemned by Senate Minority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.), who issued a statement demanding that Bennett apologize. Rep. John Conyers Jr. (D-Mich.) circulated a letter, signed by 10 of his colleagues, demanding that the Salem Radio Network suspend Bennett's show.

    Wade Henderson, the executive director of the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights, demanded that the show be canceled.

    "Bennett's statement is outrageous. As a former secretary of education, he should know better," Henderson said. "His program should be pulled from the air."

    A spokeswoman for Salem Radio Network did not return three calls requesting comment.

    Bennett, education secretary under then-President Ronald Reagan and director of drug policy during George H.W. Bush's administration has written a number of books stressing the importance of traditional values, including the 1993 bestseller "The Book of Virtues."

    In 2003, he admitted he was a heavy gambler after news reports that he had lost millions of dollars in casinos.

    Bennett's comments came Wednesday, during a discussion on his talk show "Morning in America." A caller had suggested that Social Security would be better funded if abortion had not been legalized in 1973 because the nation would have more workers paying into the system.

    Bennett said "maybe," before referring to a book he said argued that the legalization of abortion is one of the reasons the crime rate has declined in recent decades. Bennett said he did not agree with that thesis.

    "But I do know that it's true that if you wanted to reduce crime, you could -- if that were your sole purpose -- you could abort every black baby in this country, and your crime rate would go down," Bennett said, according to an audio clip posted on Media Matters for America's Web site. "That would be an impossible, ridiculous and morally reprehensible thing to do, but your crime rate would go down. So these far-out, these far-reaching, you know, extensive extrapolations are, I think, tricky."
    Wow...
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    On Nov. 6, 1963, Laura Welch (now Bush) ran a stop sign and murdered Michael Douglas.
    republiKan values: mark foley, tom delay, jack abramoff, john rowland, duke cunningham, david safavian, bob taft, brent wilkes, james tobin, scooter libby and ernie fletcher. Poster CRIMINALS and PEDOPHILES of the repug party.
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    Re: GOP - Setting the ethics bar

    Have you bothered to read his entire statements? Or are you satisfied with half the story?
    Again the McCarthy mentality. The "racist d'jour"
    Bennett is as much a racist as Kennedy is a financial/budget conservative. If Bennett is a racist then that makes this clown the imperial wizard

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_..._Controversies

    But you are correct...he is guilty of something: Making a statement that could be misunderstood when taken in its truncated form.
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    Bennet's retort to Ted Kennedy: ""I'll not take instruction from Teddy Kennedy. A young woman likely drowned because of his negligence."
    With the controversy swirling over Bill Bennett's remarks on his radio show, Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Alphonso Jackson stepped in it himself yesterday over some supposedly racially insensitive remarks. What was the secretary's crime? Here's what he said, regarding the rebuilding of New Orleans, while visiting with some victims of Hurricane Katrina:

    He said New Orleans would not reach it's former population of "500,000 people for a long time," and then he said "it's not going to be as black as it was for a long time, if ever again." Oops. Oh, and by the way, Mr. Jackson is black. That didn't matter...all that matters is he is a Republican member of the hated Bush administration. The response was swift from Democrats who complained about the secretary's remarks.

    This one won't go away either. We've yet to hear from Calypso Louie Farrakhan at the Nation of Islam. Remember, Louie says the neocons in the Bush administration blew the levees with explosives in order to flood the black part of the city. Now the HUD secretary says the city won't be as black....the conspiracy has been confirmed!

    A race hustler's work is never done.

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    Is it just me, or do the race pimps seem to have a need for a race war to others as well? Is every remark made that has color in it going to be turned into a national "beat it to death" story? I sense the race pimps are begging for a fight... with the Farrakhan remarks, Jesse Jackson's reemergence from the hole, etc., etc.
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    Re: GOP - Setting the ethics bar

    Quote Originally Posted by jrhvball
    Another right-wing nut job shows their true colors:

    Bennett Under Fire for Remark on Crime and Black Abortions


    Wow...
    The whole Bennett thing was completely blown out of context....I listened to the entire thing.

    Here's what I would have done, having the benefit of hindsight. Instead of making the "abort black baby" comment, he should have made the reference that poverty does not equal race, and that most likely you would be just as successful intoducing abortion into ghettos as well as trailer parks, if you wanted to drop the crime rate.....the fact that he included blacks only when talking about crime i why it hit a sensitive spot. But frankly, who cares it is Bill Bennett...if u don't watch Fox News then you wouldn't even know who he is

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    Re: GOP - Setting the ethics bar

    Thats the point I was making earlier Dutch....amd why I raised the Reid money deal that was brought up by Republicans. Its all pretty much petty bull shit and a poor excuse for not doing what we pay these thieves to do.
    And all these wonderbread white journalists who are more sensitive than the blacks they feel they must "bleed" for need some other cause. Maybe suicide reform.
    Its just pathetic that weve come to this point...where political "drama" is more important than the actual work these clowns should be doing.

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    ^^^ I get the feeling there's a bit of Al Bundy coming to the surface... in that the ole' folks who found fame and fortune in the race riots and anti-war demonstrations are coming back for a slew of revisits. Maybe they're just jealous of the Rolling Stones.

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    Re: GOP - Setting the ethics bar

    Quote Originally Posted by jimzinsocal
    Have you bothered to read his entire statements? Or are you satisfied with half the story?
    Again the McCarthy mentality. The "racist d'jour"
    Bennett is as much a racist as Kennedy is a financial/budget conservative. If Bennett is a racist then that makes this clown the imperial wizard

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_..._Controversies

    But you are correct...he is guilty of something: Making a statement that could be misunderstood when taken in its truncated form.
    Jim,

    If you are familiar with the English language and the mechanics of a statement, you'll realize that when you make a statement, then finish it off with "But", the word "but" NEGATES the context of the statement before it. It's a very racist statement. End of story.
    George W. Bush <--- Al Qaeda's #1 Recruiter

    GWB - "Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job!"
    On Nov. 6, 1963, Laura Welch (now Bush) ran a stop sign and murdered Michael Douglas.
    republiKan values: mark foley, tom delay, jack abramoff, john rowland, duke cunningham, david safavian, bob taft, brent wilkes, james tobin, scooter libby and ernie fletcher. Poster CRIMINALS and PEDOPHILES of the repug party.
    The only two things you ever need to know about GWB:
    "The most important thing is for us to find Osama Bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him." - George W. Bush, 9/13/01

    "I don't know where he is. I have no idea, and I really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." - George W. Bush, 3/13/02

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