Quagmire: Paris

[AMDScooter]

Quagmire: Paris

American Conservative Calls For End To Brutal Occupation of France By French; Demands Divestiture In French Industry, If There's Any Of That Left..

Been watching the events unfold for a few days now . Be interesting to see how it washes. I know I'll probably be called an "ignorant racist" again, but I share many thoughts with the following authors:

Paris Riots: Coming to an American Street Near You

Paris is reaping what it’s sown, and if we don’t heed the warnings (as if the murder of thousands and destruction of two buildings in New York City weren’t enough), we can expect the same.

Lax immigration policies, prostration to the god of multiculturalism, and the refusal to fight fire with fire are three reasons why Muslim “youths” in Paris are rioting in the streets.

As I see it, the religion of Islam is inherently incompatible with the concept of individual liberty, a crucial component of western countries. It’s no accident that a culture like the West and a nation like the United States were envisioned and created by people who were either Christians and/or biblically literate and/or respected the Christian tradition. In countries under Islamic law, there’s no such idea as “individual liberty.” You’re either a Muslim or in danger of having your throat sliced open.

A growing problem in the West is not only our insane, suicidal embrace of “multiculturalism,” but an inability to recognize that Islam is an enemy intent on destroying freedom wherever it exists. Those Muslim rioters in Paris, angry about being unemployed or whatever their excuse, need to be crushed.

Instead, authorities are apologizing for throwing tear gas into a mosque. They’re smoking crack, right? If rioting thugs are hiding in mosques, why wouldn’t you try to tear-gas them out? This is similar to the Guantanamo Bay Koran-flushing and don’t-touch-the-temple memes that floated around.

Let me be clear, especially if you’re reading this blog for the first time. While I don’t believe every single Muslim on the planet is violent, I believe that the nature of Islam itself is violent. One of the most stunning things I ever heard was George Bush’s contention that Islam is a “religion of peace.” Yes, you have your Christian kooks blowing up child killers “in the name of God,” but generally, such incidents are isolated.

On the contrary, Islamofascism is the order of the day. Every day there’s more news of death at the hands of Muslims. Instead of taking an extremely hard line and putting pressure on Muslim so-called leaders to denounce these thugs and round them up, we’re the ones injuring our spines from all the bowing and scraping, trying to prove we’re not religious bigots. Forget that. I care more about my physical well-being and preservation of my way of life than what weak-willed, emasculated liberals say about me.

If Muslim extremists are willing to blow up themselves and children, we must be willing to do what it takes to stop them. We’re certainly able.

In response to the riots, President Jacques Chirac said the law must be enforced firmly but “in a spirit of dialogue and respect.” Whatever that means. Heart of a lion, he has.

This headline makes me sick: French youths riot for seventh night running. French youths? They make it sound so generic and ordinary, as if a bunch of rowdy, drunk teenagers decided to throw rocks at cars. These are radical Muslims, foreign invaders, destroying property and injuring people who graciously allowed them into their country in the first place!

The whole thing is comical, especially Chirac’s pleas.

You notice how Muslims adopt the tendency to riot, protest and cry “Discrimination!” once they’re in western countries, when such actions would render them headless in the countries they fled from? No gratitude at all.

I’m done. Carry on.

Also have a look at this site for some shocking numbers:

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com

Behold the Peace of Islam: Picture of the Week
Islam: Changing Lives for the Deader in Indonesia
"No compulsion in religion..." (If you don't mind frying).

This Week in Islam
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Weekly Column for (10/31/05)

(Also see the newest entry to the Top Iraqi War Myths article – America is Waging a Crusade against Islam).

There is no other religion on earth that has lower moral expectations of itself, yet higher expectations of others than Islam.

This was very much in evidence last week by the reaction of the Muslim world to the news that the bodies of two dead terrorists in Afghanistan were burned by U.S. troops, particularly when gauged against the astonishing lack of reaction to news of other burnings.

The world learned, for example, that an American civilian had been burned alive by a Muslim mob in Duluiyah, Iraq, but you won’t find a bit of sympathy or outrage on the Website of the notorious CAIR (Council on American-Islamic Relations). In fact, of the more than 3100 fatal Islamic terror attacks committed in the last four years, we have only seen CAIR specifically condemn 18.

Regrettably, this sort of narcissistic self-absorption is the norm in the Islamic world rather than the exception. Despite the massive assistance that U.S. citizens and military alike have provided to Pakistani quake victims, for example, the talk elsewhere is only about the burning of two dead Taliban terrorists (although not much in Afghanistan, we note, where the Taliban is deeply unpopular).

Compare this to the collective yawn over the murder of two temple boys in Thailand by Muslim radicals, who shot them in their beds after slitting the throat of a 76-year-old monk. These three bodies were also burned, but you won’t find any tears shed on the “Arab Street,” CAIR’s Website, or anywhere else where “there is no god but Allah, and Muhammad is his prophet.”

We know that there are decent Muslims whose sense of moral perspective hasn’t been fully lost to this bizarre religion, which splits humanity into two disparate factions, where the cadavers of one group are considerably more deserving than the lives of the other, but you would never know it by the exhibition of selective outrage from the likes of CAIR.

(BTW: 1,152 World Trade Center families were left with no remains to bury).

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Quagmire: Paris

American Conservative Calls For End To Brutal Occupation of France By French; Demands Divestiture In French Industry, If There's Any Of That Left..

Been watching the events unfold for a few days now . Be interesting to see how it washes. I know I'll probably be called an "ignorant racist" again, but I share many thoughts with the following authors:

Paris Riots: Coming to an American Street Near You

About the first piece:
To be honest - I think you (and that "author" you quote) are reaching here - desperately looking to fit events around something you've already made your mind up on. I know the evils of radical islam is a very popular theme at present - but really, what has it got to do with these riots? They remind me of the various race riots in the US or, even more closely, the 80's race riots in the UK where the píssed off children of immigrants burn their neighbourhood down. The only difference is that in this particular case the rioters are muslims.

And as for not calling them "foriegn invaders" - a bit hard seeing as they are actually (shock) French youths - as I said, the children of immigrants. These came from Frances' ex-colonies in N. Africa - a fact which makes the comparison with the UK riots back in the 80's even more apt.

Anyway, why this concern about riots in France among US conservatives? Though they'd be glad to see Paris in flames?

[AMDScooter]

About the first piece:
To be honest - I think you (and that "author" you quote) are reaching here - desperately looking to fit events around something you've already made your mind up on. I know the evils of radical islam is a very popular theme at present - but really, what has it got to do with these riots? They remind me of the various race riots in the US or, even more closely, the 80's race riots in the UK where the píssed off children of immigrants burn their neighbourhood down. The only difference is that in this particular case the rioters are muslims.

Evils of Radical Islam popular?? I guess that's one way to spin it. If they were not so numerous they would probably be far less "popular", wouldn't ya think? Why do I associate these with the riots? Because from most reports the riots were pre planned for weeks. Your association with other race riots is rather weak. A stronger case would be the IRA. These folks want anonymity. I'll get a link for you shortly.

And as for not calling them "foriegn invaders" - a bit hard seeing as they are actually (shock) French youths - as I said, the children of immigrants. These came from Frances' ex-colonies in N. Africa - a fact which makes the comparison with the UK riots back in the 80's even more apt.

Anyway, why this concern about riots in France among US conservatives? Though they'd be glad to see Paris in flames?

Yes, French youths of (shock) the aforementioned religion. Under control of (shock) the radicals from the aforementioned religion. Concern about France? Hardly. More like a good preview of things to come if the West does not wake up soon.

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Evils of Radical Islam popular?? I guess that's one way to spin it. If they were not so numerous they would probably be far less "popular", wouldn't ya think?

I'm not spinning - you are . I am not trying to belittle the problems to do with radical islam in Europe or around the world - I just think the author was associating these riots and radical islam mainly becuase it's the trendy thing at the moment. Maybe more people will be interested in his blog as a result.

Why do I associate these with the riots (with radical islam)? Because from most reports the riots were pre planned for weeks.

That makes no sense. Planning is not the sole preserve of militant islam. These riots have been probably been building up for years.

Your association with other race riots is rather weak.

Why do you say that?

Poverty and unemployment, no prospects - check the box.
Racism and casual discrimination - check the box.
Lack of integration (the fault of both sides here - perhaps you can stick Islam in here as another barrier to integration of the immigrants and their children) - check the box.
Hatred + mistrust of the police - check the box.

Seems pretty good to me.

Yes, French youths of (shock) the aforementioned religion. Under control of (shock) the radicals from the aforementioned religion. Concern about France? Hardly. More like a good preview of things to come if the West does not wake up soon.

Where is the evidence that Islamic militants planned the riots?
France is part of the "West" (don't like that do you ). Unless the US is the only "Western" country?

A stronger case would be the IRA. These folks want anonymity. I'll get a link for you shortly.

Au contraire, I think that Red China is a better analogy in this situation.

Edit: I think what otoc said about broadening your sources of info would be advisable. Little Green Spitballs and similar right-wing blogs going on and on about Islam are having a warping effect on your mind.

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Poverty and unemployment, no prospects - check the box.
Racism and casual discrimination - check the box.
Lack of integration (the fault of both sides here - perhaps you can stick Islam in here as another barrier to integration of the immigrants and their children) - check the box.
Hatred + mistrust of the police - check the box.

Unemployable - check the box
Inherently lazy & expect everything to be handed to you on a plate - check the box
Come from a society where the women do all the work anyway - check the box
Enjoy a lifestyle of petty crime, gang violence and drug peddling - check the box.
Not happy that the government has recently decided to crack down on your activities - check the box
Come from a completely incompatible culture - check the box
Alienate youself even more by your attitute & behaviour - check the box
On state wefare so can afford to riot for over a week - check the box
Have an army of apologists lead by the BBC to portray you as the 'downtrodden poor' - check the box

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Unemployable - check the box
Inherently lazy & expect everything to be handed to you on a plate - check the box
Come from a society where the women do all the work anyway - check the box
Enjoy a lifestyle of petty crime, gang violence and drug peddling - check the box.
Not happy that the government has recently decided to crack down on your activities - check the box Come from a completely incompatible culture - check the box
Alienate youself even more by your attitute & behaviour - check the box
On state wefare so can afford to riot for over a week - check the box

I was not trying to excuse the rioters. I can't. They need to be stopped. In fact, I wonder how the non-rioting people (like the women, who do all the work ) who live in these areas feel about the way the politicians have fiddled as things have got worse.

Pointing out some underlying reasons as I did isn't the same thing as being an apologist for violence. Most of your list comes under the heading of "failure to integrate" which I said was partly their fault.

"Come from a completely incompatible culture " - we'd better all pray that's alarmist.
I think it is, but I also think that the current rates of immigration in Europe of people who come from vastly different cultures (i.e. muslims) is asking for disaster. You dump too many people of one culture too quickly into different one and the balloon always goes up at some point along the line.

As for the petty crime bit and "not happy that the government has recently decided to crack down on your activities" - you have to ask, how the hell did it get to the point that there were no-go areas for the police in some of these suburbs. It's amazing such riots didn't kick off years ago for some reason or other if that's how bad things are.

Have an army of apologists lead by the BBC to portray you as the 'downtrodden poor' - check the box

Yes - the BBC's coverage of this has been too touchy-feely, give the poor rioters a hug etc. As it was with those riots in the N. of England a few years ago. I wonder if it would be the same if such riots were happening in London outside the BBC offices??

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Yes the riots in Paris have been going on for 7 days now.

Get used to it. It's just Europe sleepwalking to oblivion again.


love the sig BTW.

[jimzinsocal]

"French Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy said Thursday that the riots in several Paris suburbs over the previous night were "not spontaneous" but rather "well organized."

"What we saw in the department of Seine-Saint-Denis overnight was not spontaneous, it was perfectly organized. We are looking into by whom and how," Sarkozy told French news channel i-tele.

The interior minister also said the government would not allow "troublemakers, a bunch of hoodlums, think they can do whatever they want" in the country.

A force of 1,000 police were assigned late Thursday to Seine-Saint-Denis, following the previous night of violence which affected about half of the 40 towns in the department, mostly communities of immigrants from Africa, officials said."

[AMDScooter]

"French Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy said Thursday that the riots in several Paris suburbs over the previous night were "not spontaneous" but rather "well organized."

"What we saw in the department of Seine-Saint-Denis overnight was not spontaneous, it was perfectly organized. We are looking into by whom and how," Sarkozy told French news channel i-tele.

The interior minister also said the government would not allow "troublemakers, a bunch of hoodlums, think they can do whatever they want" in the country.

A force of 1,000 police were assigned late Thursday to Seine-Saint-Denis, following the previous night of violence which affected about half of the 40 towns in the department, mostly communities of immigrants from Africa, officials said."

Thanks Jim, I lost the linkage to that story. Could ya post it up for me pls??

[jimzinsocal]

I saw it over at Drudge http://www.drudgereport.com/flash8.htm

When I find the source Ill edit the post.[Drudge's source]

edit: The Drudge snip came from this BBC article

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4404362.stm

[Orangutan]

I guess it doesn't matter to the author that Islam is a part of "Western" culture. I think it's also disingenuous, fallacious, foolish, and ignorant to try and pin this as some sort of "Muslim problem". Immigrant populations feeling ostracized while "native" populations grow increasingly xenophobic? Obviously Islam is to blame. Oh, wait, nevermind; it's happened all the time throughout history. Don't believe me? Just watch "Gangs of New York" if you're averse to reading. It amuses me how many Republicans decry France's "liberalism" when the country is run by conservatives. I guess you really can't expect all that much, though. I wonder if the people who run those reputable sites you linked have any clue as to how they negatively affect relations with the Islamic world.

[AMDScooter]

I guess it doesn't matter to the author that Islam is a part of "Western" culture. I think it's also disingenuous, fallacious, foolish, and ignorant to try and pin this as some sort of "Muslim problem". Immigrant populations feeling ostracized while "native" populations grow increasingly xenophobic? Obviously Islam is to blame. Oh, wait, nevermind; it's happened all the time throughout history. Don't believe me? Just watch "Gangs of New York" if you're averse to reading. It amuses me how many Republicans decry France's "liberalism" when the country is run by conservatives. I guess you really can't expect all that much, though. I wonder if the people who run those reputable sites you linked have any clue as to how they negatively affect relations with the Islamic world.

Love the spin Orang. So you like them to be called "Immigrant populations" instead of Muslims, whatever. As for how these sites "negatively affect relations". I got a good gut laugh out of that one. Shhhhh, Muslim extremists are up to no good AGAIN. Don't say a word, you may offend(GASP)...... Muslims. And be accused of "growing increasingly xenophobic".

[Orangutan]

Love the spin Orang. So you like them to be called "Immigrant populations" instead of Muslims, whatever.

Hey, great job on comprehending what you read there, Scooter. I'll give you a hint: immigrants are not always Muslim. Being Republican I would think you already knew that.

As for how these sites "negatively affect relations". I got a good gut laugh out of that one. Shhhhh, Muslim extremists are up to no good AGAIN. Don't say a word, you may offend(GASP)...... Muslims.

Of course you get a good laugh, because you find Islam laughable. Do you honestly think that thousands of sites and millions of adherents denigrating Islam and Muslims improves the situation? Do you think it helps the situation when dolts spout half truths to inflame their followers? Isn't that what you decry about Islam?

And be accused of "growing increasingly xenophobic".

Have you any grasp of what goes on in Europe right now? Or do you just "know" what WND says of how Europe is godless (but still better than Muslims)? Lots of countries over there are seeing large backlashes against immigrants of all kinds, not just the Muslim ones. Sort of like the enmity that exists between Republicans and "illegals". Fascist groups gain more power by the day, and already control a part of Austria. People routinely run on anti-immigrant platforms. Yes, there is an increasing xenophobia.

[AMDScooter]

Hey, great job on comprehending what you read there, Scooter. I'll give you a hint: immigrants are not always Muslim. Being Republican I would think you already knew that.

I read it exactly how you were trying to spin it. They are Muslims... get over it.

Of course you get a good laugh, because you find Islam laughable. Do you honestly think that thousands of sites and millions of adherents denigrating Islam and Muslims improves the situation? Do you think it helps the situation when dolts spout half truths to inflame their followers? Isn't that what you decry about Islam?

Wow, thousands of sites. Ya, that must be the reason. It could not have anything to do with the thousands of terrorist attacks done in the name of Islam?? Naw, it must be the "sites"...

Have you any grasp of what goes on in Europe right now? Or do you just "know" what WND says of how Europe is godless (but still better than Muslims)? Lots of countries over there are seeing large backlashes against immigrants of all kinds, not just the Muslim ones. Sort of like the enmity that exists between Republicans and "illegals". Fascist groups gain more power by the day, and already control a part of Austria. People routinely run on anti-immigrant platforms. Yes, there is an increasing xenophobia.

Xenophobia, no. People starting to see what the press and far left refuse to see or print. Yes.

[SteveW]

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