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    Intel Dual Core - Not expensive?

    Do my eyes deceive me? Canadian prices for dual core, Intel vs AMD

    Intel Pentium D 820, 2.8GHz, EM64T XD Dual Core, 2X1MB, Socket LGA775 (Retail Box) $265.00


    AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ 2.0GHz Dual Core Socket 939 512K L2 Cache ( Retail Box ) $359.00

    q. What are the differences?
    q. Does this board have a forum specific for dual core technology? I searched for threads but there isn't a forum for this. There's multi-cpu but I don't see many posts there.
    Feel free to post your favorite thread.

    Direct comparison on performance:
    http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu.ht...2=201&chart=76

    comparison on power consumption
    http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/05/09/amd/page20.html
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    Re: Intel Dual Core - Not expensive?

    q1... The Pentium D has 1mb of cache per core. Will perform better than a 512kb cache. Compared to the 3800, it might be close.

    q2... If you want to go the X2 route, I suggest an NF4 chipset board for the most compatibility with the X2.

    Overall, the X2 is probably the better bet. 2.5- 2.7ghz is the typical OC. The Pentium D under water can do 3.6 - 4.0ghz. Remember, both of these CPU run hotter than a single core. You will need to take mind of that when picking a cooling solution.

    If you game a lot, the X2 is probably the better bet. This in part because of the lower latency DDR over DDR2.

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    Re: Intel Dual Core - Not expensive?

    Thanks, I've done some more readings comparing the two. Intel still uses much more power even on idle compared to the x2, and yes that means you need good cooling. No wonder Intel is faring better on the notebook side with the centrino (better power saving features).

    So far from what I've read, the recommendation is on the X2. x2 wins on gaming, but my a64 is fine for games but just needs a better video card.

    I am looking for more comments and things to consider when making the comparison... Anyone?
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    Re: Intel Dual Core - Not expensive?

    In multi-tasking and video encoding the Intel will win because of the higher clock speeds and the fact that most video encoders are optimized for the Intel. But if you game more than you do video the AMD will perform better.

    For me, I do a lot of video work and Intel has the edge in Price vs Performance for me.
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    Re: Intel Dual Core - Not expensive?

    If you're looking at the 820, I suggest you check out the 920 instead for around the same price (often less). It's revised 'presler' core is made on a smaller (65nm) process and includes twice the L2 Cache (2x 2MB) of the 820.

    Quote Originally Posted by Soundforbjt
    In multi-tasking and video encoding the Intel will win because of the higher clock speeds and the fact that most video encoders are optimized for the Intel. But if you game more than you do video the AMD will perform better.

    For me, I do a lot of video work and Intel has the edge in Price vs Performance for me.
    For P4 single core maybe, but not with dual core. Intel's dual core bodge of a design cripples whatever advantages it used to enjoy. There's really nothing in it anymore.

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    Re: Intel Dual Core - Not expensive?

    Quote Originally Posted by Enmore
    If you're looking at the 820, I suggest you check out the 920 instead for around the same price (often less). It's revised 'presler' core is made on a smaller (65nm) process and includes twice the L2 Cache (2x 2MB) of the 820.



    For P4 single core maybe, but not with dual core. Intel's dual core bodge of a design cripples whatever advantages it used to enjoy. There's really nothing in it anymore.
    Then why do they still win in encoding video contests?
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    Re: Intel Dual Core - Not expensive?

    Quote Originally Posted by Enmore
    Not the type of encoding I do ^^^.

    Using CCE or HC 017, My Intel rig beats my AMD rig in encoding times.
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    Re: Intel Dual Core - Not expensive?

    The 920's are hitting 4.0ghz on good air cooling.

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    Re: Intel Dual Core - Not expensive?

    At Canada Computers:
    Intel Pentium D 930 3Ghz Dual Core Socket 775 4MB(2x2MB) Cache 800MHz FSB Processor - $415Cad

    Intel Pentium D 840, 3.2GHz, EM64T XD Dual Core, 2X1MB, Socket LGA775 (Retail Box) - $439Cad

    Intel Pentium D 920 2.8Ghz Dual Core Socket 775 4MB(2x2MB) Cache 800MHz FSB Processor - $315Cad

    How do you mean 4Ghz? On overclocking to 4GHz?
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    Re: Intel Dual Core - Not expensive?

    Quote Originally Posted by chrispycrunch
    At Canada Computers:
    Intel Pentium D 930 3Ghz Dual Core Socket 775 4MB(2x2MB) Cache 800MHz FSB Processor - $415Cad

    Intel Pentium D 840, 3.2GHz, EM64T XD Dual Core, 2X1MB, Socket LGA775 (Retail Box) - $439Cad

    Intel Pentium D 920 2.8Ghz Dual Core Socket 775 4MB(2x2MB) Cache 800MHz FSB Processor - $315Cad

    How do you mean 4Ghz? On overclocking to 4GHz?
    Yes by OC'ing. Forget the 800 series. They are the 90nm space heater cores. The 900 series is much better on power usage.

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    Re: Intel Dual Core - Not expensive?

    Quote Originally Posted by Soundforbjt
    Not the type of encoding I do ^^^.

    Using CCE or HC 017, My Intel rig beats my AMD rig in encoding times.
    Pretty specialised stuff. Probably just raw Mhz and DDR2 that give it the edge then.

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    Re: Intel Dual Core - Not expensive?

    Quote Originally Posted by Soundforbjt
    Not the type of encoding I do ^^^.

    Using CCE or HC 017, My Intel rig beats my AMD rig in encoding times.
    But not the Dual cores

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    Re: Intel Dual Core - Not expensive?

    If anyone's thinking of buying one of these there may be some big price cuts if you can wait about 3 months:

    http://forums.pcper.com/showthread.php?t=415599
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    Re: Intel Dual Core - Not expensive?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dramd
    Yes by OC'ing. Forget the 800 series. They are the 90nm space heater cores. The 900 series is much better on power usage.
    Just found a review that confirms your post on 920's vs the 800's. 4GHz!
    http://www.overclockers.com.au/artic...?id=452447&P=4

    Summary and Conclusion:

    "2006 is becoming a very exciting year. Intel has made a strong first move with the successful change to 65nm production technology. AMD has answered with the FX-60. In April 2006 Intel will release an even higher clocked 9xx series processor. It is said that in June 2006 AMD will introduce the M2 platform with DDR2 800 support. In the second half of 2006 Intel will introduce a new micro-architecture for desktop, mobile, and workstation chips, and AMD will move to 65nm production technology as well. In the meantime Intel is already preparing 45nm production technology - a working sample was demonstrated in January 2006. There is good reason to watch out for these developments because hardware bought in 2006 might soon become obsolete. For the time being we recommend a buyer considering an entry level dual core processor to have a good look at Intel’s Pentium D 920."
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