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  1. #16
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    Re: Not guilty by reason of insanity

    Quote Originally Posted by afalzone
    It is very infrequent that people get off of a charge on this basis.
    This thread should have ended here. It's so seldomly used that it's not even worth discussing. Even when this defense does succeed the, the one considered insane spends the rest of his life in a mental hospital like Ronald Reagans shooter. How could something be abused when it's used almost never?

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    Re: Not guilty by reason of insanity

    Ill quote you next time you question the nsa wiretaps.^^

    Oh wait. Thats "different" Its our duty to question only what drives our politics.

    [and Im kidding with you BTW]
    Last edited by jimzinsocal; 02-15-2006 at 06:15 PM.

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    Re: Not guilty by reason of insanity

    Quote Originally Posted by Computerwiz
    Even when this defense does succeed the, the one considered insane spends the rest of his life in a mental hospital like Ronald Reagans shooter.
    I don't know how you missed that big long newstory I posted but somehow the characters in that article didn't get your memo because the guy isn't hardly spending the rest of his life in a mental hospital.

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    Re: Not guilty by reason of insanity

    ^ I saw one example, jeez. This is your evidence of it being abused?

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    Re: Not guilty by reason of insanity

    Quote Originally Posted by Computerwiz
    ^ I saw one example, jeez. This is your evidence of it being abused?
    Quote Originally Posted by 'k-
    The only point that I'll concede is maybe I fell for the hype assuming there are more cases where people get off on insanity pleas than there really are.
    You really are a good skimmer!

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    Re: Not guilty by reason of insanity

    yes and concede you should, cause you have no argument

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    Re: Not guilty by reason of insanity

    Quote Originally Posted by Computerwiz
    yes and concede you should, cause you have no argument
    Neither do you since your post came long after I posted that. Keep it moving skimmer.

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    Re: Not guilty by reason of insanity

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    Re: Not guilty by reason of insanity

    Quote Originally Posted by 'K-
    Another thing I don't like is the weak punishment "proven" mentally ill people receive. Maybe punishment isn't the word, but follow me now. I have a cousin who is schizophrenic. When he's on his medication he's fine. In fact, you couldn't tell the difference between him and anyone else. Off of his medication he's a complete nut. I don't even have enough time to type out all of the things he done and problems he's caused. All I will say is this ... YOU CAN'T FORCE AN ADULT TO TAKE MEDICATION OR BE COMMITTED! Therefore, who's the say the guy in my second link won't commit this crime again?

    "Oh, he's better now" "We see remarkable improvement" "Awwww, he's so remorseful"

    All it takes is a few months out of the hospital and the guy to say to himself, "hey gee, I feel fine, I don't need this stupid medication anymore." Then guess what ....
    My mother was the same way. From the personal experience of 30 years, I agree with the law on this one. Every time she did something crazy, she was in complete control when she choose to stop taking her meds. She would and should have been completely culpable for any crimes commited when off her meds.

    Regarding the insanity plea, i would think that the church music and calling 911 would automatically rule it out. She was obviously well aware that what she did was wrong.

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    Re: Not guilty by reason of insanity

    YOU CAN'T FORCE AN ADULT TO BE COMMITTED!
    i think that's wrong

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    Re: Not guilty by reason of insanity

    Quote Originally Posted by Computerwiz
    i think that's wrong
    Because it is wrong.

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    Re: Not guilty by reason of insanity

    ^^^72 hours for observation if a doctor signs off on it.
    Then and only then If the doctor will put it in writing that the person is a danger to themselves or others you can get them commited.

    You can have a person crazy as a loon talking to a light switch an not meet that criteria.
    It is also a herculean task to force meds on someone who does'nt want them.

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    Re: Not guilty by reason of insanity

    Quote Originally Posted by Pehu
    Because it is wrong.
    Prove it. Because my cousin's mother has been trying to get her son commited for a long time. Maybe it's different here in Michigan. But me and her would love to here how that can be done short of them commiting a crime.

    Thanks for your future reply!

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    Re: Not guilty by reason of insanity

    Here is a fair write up I forgot to post this morning "K"

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...rial/faqs.html

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    Re: Not guilty by reason of insanity

    Quote Originally Posted by 'K-
    Prove it. Because my cousin's mother has been trying to get her son commited for a long time. Maybe it's different here in Michigan. But me and her would love to here how that can be done short of them commiting a crime.

    Thanks for your future reply!
    The rules likely vary state-by-state, bete's example is probably from one state (?). Usually one doctor's opinion is enough for the observation part, but one- or more specialists have to agree to have the patient actually committed (and the time line and the treatment is reviewed after a certain time period, which likely again varies state-by-state?).
    Most important criteria are generally a) person has to have a mental illness b) person is a danger to himself/herself or to his/her surroundings and c) every other means besides committing the person are not effective or not enough. The criteria are actually quite tough to meet (although certainly often met) and you can indeed be 'crazy as a light bulb' and still lacking according to those criterias (to be committed).

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