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  1. #61
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    Re: Conroe Es @ Xs -Goodbye to my X2 and AM2

    it's funny, amd does more per clock for so long, using less power and creating less heat, then does 64bit before intel and better than intel, and then releases dual cores that work together better than intel's dual core and what does amd get? a little "good job"

    while intel finally releases some chips that are efficient and wow, it's a world changing event. let's face it, intel needed amd to give it a kick in the pants, they couldn't get along with there same old non-inovation forever.

    it's a little too late for intel though, amd has gained enough market share and now has the ability to produce enough chips to really make a dent in intels share. dell is now shipping server with amd cpu's, amd has continued to gain share, and of course us gamers and enthusiests already know who's best.
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    Re: Conroe Es @ Xs -Goodbye to my X2 and AM2

    Quote Originally Posted by dnd
    IMO this is a combination of Intels 65nm process for the frequency ramp, the large cache and shorter pipeline

    AMD, once they move to 65nm and pump up the cache will, IMO, thrash Conroe as they have everything else in place
    thats basically what anandtech said,but they said the a64 could be beefed up to best conroe.while by all rights conroe should be compared to AM2.comparing conroe to A64
    is like comparing A64 to P3.they also said A64 beats conroe by over 10% in 64bit processing.
    since microsoft worked with Amd on the 64bit OS,I would imagine Amd has a little advantage.
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    Re: Conroe Es @ Xs -Goodbye to my X2 and AM2

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGlasMan
    Not much of a "spanking" for a brand new processor, well within reach of the coming 65nm. (The FX with 1GB as the intel had, wil match the game scores)
    As to the prices, I assume The Inquirer http://theinquirer.net/?article=31126 is the source, as Hexes gave no source. I'll believe it from intel when I see it, and don't forget the price of the board.
    Still no product, and regardless of intels $/1000, I'll bet people will be paying out the but for them for more than a little while, especially if they overclock as some people think.
    Enjoy it while it's hot,cause it will get cold fast.
    What will .65nm do?? AMD will need a new core, not pumping up cache, speed and convert to .65nm. That won't do it! K8 does not benefit much from larger cache!!

    No, xbitlabs.com, thinquirer.com and hkepc.com is the source for price. Intel said itself that Conroe would be priced agressively. So to not believe that prices will be around what I said is just fanboyish.
    How can a possibly FX-64 3,0Ghz keep up with a possible 3,33Ghz/1333FSB Conroe XE??! When a 2,67Ghz/1066FSB Conroe beats a FX-62?
    Already FX-62 is heating up seriously. In fact tests show it has a full load consumption matching a Pentium XE 965. Now it's AMD who will need to think of a new core, not just pumping up speed.

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    Re: Conroe Es @ Xs -Goodbye to my X2 and AM2

    i didn't mention cache, that will be a K8L thing, you know, that new core thing you say is needed. Of course it is, A64 has only one year left (thru 2007)
    65nm on stressed and strained silicone give less power, less heat, and higher clocks, as well as higher yields. Much more than an FX 64, I personnaly wouldn't have released the 62 as is. My guess is the next FX will be 65nm and will be much faster than what -64 would be estimated at, probably 3.2 (by the way, I don't think of FX's as anything special, as any A64 will do nearly as well.)
    As far as price, what we pay (not what intel is pricing at, aggressive or not) is determined by supply and demand. For a few months, supply will not meet demand. Intel has pushed hard to move up to AMD's launch date for AM2. It still takes time to ramp things up and build up inventory, time intel decided it didn't have.
    Fanboyism is ignoring the facts. I don't ignore the fact that Conroe is a very good chip, it will have it's time in the sun, but by the time winter rolls around, the sun will be gone and by the end of next year will be history. The fact is that for a decade AMD has been driving intels developement and this time intel wont be superior for even a year, more like 6 months before it's brand new architecture is 2nd rate.
    Neither my s754, nor mys939 are in need of replacement in that kind of time frame.


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    Re: Conroe Es @ Xs -Goodbye to my X2 and AM2

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGlasMan
    I don't ignore the fact that Conroe is a very good chip, it will have it's time in the sun, but by the time winter rolls around, the sun will be gone and by the end of next year will be history.
    A year and a half is a large window of opportunity to reclaim lost market share, especially in the world of computing. AMD's Revision G (65nm) K8 processors could very well be more than stop-gaps between K8 and K8L processors, but if the Core 2 Duo (aka Conroe) CPUs are priced competitively with their AM2 X2 counterparts, I do see some AMD enthusiasts migrating to Intel. When someone weighs the price-performance ratios critically and impartially, brand loyalty will take a back seat to bragging rights. The Rev. G CPUs won't be released until December of this year, and chances are the Extreme Editions of the Conroe will be out before then.

    Hexus.net ran some benchmarks of their own, pitting the AM2 FX-62 against the E6700 and E6600, as well as 2 other top-end processors; when you consider the price gap and posted results, it makes for a difficult argument convincing someone to remain solely with AMD, if just for an intermittent period. The issue may be further exacerbated by the fact that K8L CPUs aren't expected to arrive until 2008, whereas Intel is planning to release their own quad-core offerings in the first half of 2007.

    Don't get me wrong: I've enjoyed AMD products for over a decade; every PC I've bought or built has been powered by AMD, up to and including my current S754 setup. AMD may be a proverbial underdog in the world of semiconductors, but they're also a billion-dollar company. If I were a shareholder, I would have a more vested interest, but seeing as I'm just another PC user, I have no proclivity towards either.

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    Re: Conroe Es @ Xs -Goodbye to my X2 and AM2

    el savad i find it funny that you mention fanboyism when it seems you only joined the forums recently to post up this thread to insight some sort of fanboy response from us amd guys. thus far all talk has been quite civil so it would seem IF that was indeed your tactic you chose the wrong forum to troll.

    i'm just saying i find it funny...
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    Re: Conroe Es @ Xs -Goodbye to my X2 and AM2

    Just ordered a a Am2 x2 & MSI MB
    Sticken with AMD, bon Cherie
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    Re: Conroe Es @ Xs -Goodbye to my X2 and AM2

    Thanks Sub, but lets not get our posters confused.
    Anyway it's you money PP, but if it was mine, I would get a 90nm s754 (I'm not all that sure it is even needed to replace a 3000 and above but you feel you need an upgrade) and wait a while. There aren't many programs that are really a challenge, and a s754 at 26-2800 would cover it nicely for a while. You could hold onto your cpu, board and memory (let's not forget the vid card) money a while til after X-mas. Prices wil be lower, you will know what is what, and there probably would be an even nicer selection of Vid cards to choose from.
    At anyrate I'm keeping my s939, and if a great x2 deal comes along I'll put my other s939 back into service. Meanwhile my poor lil s754 keeps grinding out the WU's for F@H
    I think you will find that an AM2 board will support the next generation of AMD cpu's, nothing in intels track record suggests that will be the case.
    I laugh at intel quad core, Dell laughs at intel quad core, the whole world laughs. Would need yet another new architecure not to be a joke. 16meg of L2 cache?


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    Re: Conroe Es @ Xs -Goodbye to my X2 and AM2

    anybody happen to read the links? current A64 is 10 % faster in 64 bit apps than conroe
    which i thought was the whole point of A64 and conroe.how many years old is A64?and
    the newest conroe architecture is 10% slower in the apps it was designed for?cant wait for the next generation AMD.till then my optys will do just fine. seeing as the estimates are that
    windows Vista will only be fully accessible by 15-20% of the systems people are now using.
    upgrading when the prices drop so you can get performance you cant buy ready made,was the whole point when i started building and overclocking.if you want intel so bad at the price
    go buy a Dell.oops forgot theyre going AMD.
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    Re: Conroe Es @ Xs -Goodbye to my X2 and AM2

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGlasMan
    Anyway it's you money PP, but if it was mine, I would get a 90nm s754 (I'm not all that sure it is even needed to replace a 3000 and above but you feel you need an upgrade) and wait a while. There aren't many programs that are really a challenge, and a s754 at 26-2800 would cover it nicely for a while. You could hold onto your cpu, board and memory (let's not forget the vid card) money a while til after X-mas. Prices wil be lower, you will know what is what, and there probably would be an even nicer selection of Vid cards to choose from.
    Even though Conroe is slated for a July 23 release date, I'm in no hurry to upgrade, and seeing as OEMs won't be receiving volume discounts, I can easily postpone my build till sometime next year. My decision to upgrade my current rig was driven by Vista, but with an indefinite release date and video card manufacturers postponing their DX10 offerings to coincide with Vista's launch, I can afford to wait. I haven't done any PC gaming in over 6 months, and if I do upgrade before Vista's arrival, it will be driven by UT2007's release.

    I think you will find that an AM2 board will support the next generation of AMD cpu's, nothing in intels track record suggests that will be the case.
    I admit it's a gamble going with Intel, but seeing as my build is temporarily on hold, I have quite a bit of time to evaluate all of my options. I could very well decide to go with an AM2 setup if the price-performance ratio is comparable. We'll see.

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    Re: Conroe Es @ Xs -Goodbye to my X2 and AM2

    Quote Originally Posted by PrivatePixel
    Conroe is slated for a July 23 release date
    Interestingly, the server version (Woodcrest) is to be released nearly a month earlier - on the 26th of June.

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    Re: Conroe Es @ Xs -Goodbye to my X2 and AM2

    P.P.
    Servers=Profit and losing badly
    desktop=overhead and just losing


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    Re: Conroe Es @ Xs -Goodbye to my X2 and AM2

    Quote Originally Posted by el_salvad
    What will .65nm do?? AMD will need a new core, not pumping up cache, speed and convert to .65nm. That won't do it! K8 does not benefit much from larger cache!!

    No, xbitlabs.com, thinquirer.com and hkepc.com is the source for price. Intel said itself that Conroe would be priced agressively. So to not believe that prices will be around what I said is just fanboyish.
    How can a possibly FX-64 3,0Ghz keep up with a possible 3,33Ghz/1333FSB Conroe XE??! When a 2,67Ghz/1066FSB Conroe beats a FX-62?
    Already FX-62 is heating up seriously. In fact tests show it has a full load consumption matching a Pentium XE 965. Now it's AMD who will need to think of a new core, not just pumping up speed.
    Hasn't AMD already said the core will change significantly? I remember reading an article, I'll post the link if I find it. It stated changes in the architecture to some extent, and possible support for new things like SSE4.

    I don't think AMD will do anything revolutionary with their first 65nm's, but the A64 is already great in many respects. Conroe may be better to a certain extent, but when AMD moves to 65nm it will become even cooler (temps), and faster, not to mention any architecture changes.

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    Re: Conroe Es @ Xs -Goodbye to my X2 and AM2

    i will stay with amd, thank you anyhow... intel leaves a bad taste in my mouth , and even good mouthwash won,t do the job.

    i am still using my socket 754 amd +3400 clawhammer, and nforce 4 chipset epox board... a great marriage, and runs NICELY. also have intel rig,,,just not that fast , and its 3.2ghz...

    amd will do well, they are coming out with new products too.
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    Re: Conroe Es @ Xs -Goodbye to my X2 and AM2

    Wait until biological and DNA processors come out. Horsepower wins bragging rights and torque wins races. Assuming both cars have the same HP, the car with the higher torque always wins.

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