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    Israel calling up reserve troops

    MY opinion, it was bound to happen sooner than later after the Palestinians voted a terrorist organization to "lead" their people. Lebanon better watch their step also, their history vs. Israel is shall we say not so good.. There is no doubt that Israel could bomb Lebanon back into the stone age if they chose to.

    Israel calls Hizbollah capture of soldiers act of war

    By Karamallah Daher

    MARJAYOUN, Lebanon (Reuters) - Hizbollah guerrillas captured two Israeli soldiers and killed up to seven Israelis in violence on either side of the Lebanese border on Wednesday, further inflaming Middle East tensions.

    Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert described the Hizbollah attacks as an "act of war" by Lebanon and promised a "very painful and far-reaching" response.

    Two Lebanese civilians were killed and five people wounded in retaliatory Israeli air strikes after Hizbollah announced it had captured the Israelis.

    Israeli ground forces crossed into Lebanon to search for the captured soldiers, Israeli Army Radio said. Hizbollah and the Lebanese authorities said there was no large-scale incursion.

    Israeli troops have not struck deep into Lebanon since they withdrew from a southern border strip in 2000 after waging an 18-year war of attrition with Hizbollah's Shi'ite fighters.

    Israel is already engaged in an expanding military offensive in the Gaza Strip launched after Palestinian militants captured a soldier in a cross-border raid on June 25.

    "Fulfilling its pledge to liberate the (Arab) prisoners and detainees, the Islamic Resistance ... captured two Israeli soldiers at the border with occupied Palestine," the Syrian- and Iranian-backed Hizbollah said in a statement.

    "The two captives were transferred to a safe place," it said, without stating what condition the soldiers were in.

    A senior Lebanese political source said Hizbollah was willing to discuss exchanging prisoners held in Israel with the two Israeli soldiers captured on Wednesday. A Hizbollah spokesman refused to comment.

    "TANK DESTROYED"

    Hizbollah said later it had destroyed an Israeli tank that had entered Lebanon after its cross-border raid, inflicting casualties on its crew. Al Jazeera television said a total of seven Israelis had been killed in Wednesday's border violence.

    Defense Minister Amir Peretz said Israel held the Lebanese government responsible for the two soldiers' fate because it let Hizbollah operate freely against Israel from its territory.

    "Israel sees itself as being free to employ any means it deems fit, and the army has been instructed accordingly," he said in a statement, hinting at a broad military response.

    Hizbollah, the only Lebanese faction to retain its weapons after the 1975-90 civil war, is also a political party with 14 members in the Beirut parliament and two cabinet ministers.

    Israel began calling up reserve troops, signaling a large-scale campaign to retrieve the two soldiers, Israel's Channel 10 television said.

    In Cairo, U.S. Assistant Secretary of State David Welch condemned what he called a "dangerous escalation" and called for the release of the Israeli soldiers.

    The Israeli medical rescue service ZAKA said three Israelis were killed and eight wounded in the Hizbollah attacks.

    Hizbollah earlier fired dozens of Katyusha rockets and mortar bombs at Israeli border posts and a town. Israeli gunners hit back with artillery fire near four Lebanese border villages.

    Israeli planes bombed three bridges in southern Lebanon, killing two Lebanese civilians and wounding four civilians and a soldier, Lebanese security sources said.

    EMERGENCY CABINET MEETING

    Olmert called a special cabinet session for 7 p.m. (1600 GMT) to discuss further military action.

    "It is an act of war by the state of Lebanon against the state of Israel in its sovereign territory," he told a news conference.

    "We are already responding with great strength ... The cabinet will convene tonight to decide on a further military response by the Israel Defense Forces," Olmert said, threatening "very painful and far-reaching" action.

    Hizbollah supporters set off fire crackers and distributed sweets in the streets of Beirut after the Islamist group issued its claim. Similar scenes were reported across Lebanon.

    In Gaza, Israel targeted Hamas guerrilla commanders in an air strike that killed nine Palestinians and destroyed a building where the militants were believed to be meeting.

    The Israeli military said the air raid wounded Mohammad Deif, leader of the governing Hamas's armed wing. A spokesman for Hamas's Izz el-Deen al-Qassam Brigades denied Deif was hurt.

    It coincided with an armoured sweep into the central Gaza Strip, part of an offensive aimed at freeing captured Israeli corporal Gilad Shalit and halting cross-border rocket fire.

    His seizure by Hamas's armed wing and allied fighters prompted Israel to launch its first ground attacks in Gaza since quitting the territory last year. More than 65 Palestinians have been killed so far in the Gaza operation.

    Israel has rejected calls from Hamas for a prisoner swap for the 19-year-old tank gunner, whose seizure has triggered the worst fighting between Israelis and Palestinians since 2004.

    (Additional reporting by Nidal al-Mughrabi in Gaza, Dan Williams at Kissufim and Jeffrey Heller in Jerusalem)
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    Re: Israel calling up reserve troops

    Wondering why the WAPO feels a need to publish op-ed's from terrorist leaders..... ??

    Aggression Under False Pretenses
    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
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    Re: Israel calling up reserve troops

    Quote Originally Posted by AMDScooter
    MY opinion, it was bound to happen sooner than later after the Palestinians voted a terrorist organization to "lead" their people. Lebanon better watch their step also, their history vs. Israel is shall we say not so good.. There is no doubt that Israel could bomb Lebanon back into the stone age if they chose to.

    Israel calls Hizbollah capture of soldiers act of war
    I completely agree with you. This is going to have religious implications as well with all of the holy sites. It is going to get ugly quick.

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    Re: Israel calling up reserve troops

    Not that I want to pick at Israel..but how do they rationalize the difference in them taking a bunch of government leaders [Hamas] and throwing them in jail? How is one thing more an act of war than the other? Or am I missing something?
    Because one action was a retaliation and the other was a fresh act by another party[Lebanon]?
    With all the different sides that hate each others guts its hard to keep the mini wars strait.

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    CC Does a pretty good job of tearing apart that Hamas PM Ismail Haniyeh OP-ED.. I'm still left wondering how the OP-ED ended up going to print to begin with. Or better put:

    Where should a newspaper draw the line between what is acceptable for its op-ed pages and what is not? Put another way, how many lies should be permissible before an op-ed page editor says, "You know what? We're not publishing this."
    We Know The Truth -- And That's The Problem

    Hamas PM Ismail Haniyeh writes at the end of a long and deception-filled screed in today's Washington Post that "[i]f Americans only knew the truth," we would stop supporting Israel in the struggle between the Palestinians and the Israelis. Even the briefest skim over Haniyeh's column reveals that we will not get the truth from Hamas, as Haniyeh manages to hit all of the Hamas talking points while oddly neglecting to mention their part in escalating the conflict into open war in Gaza.

    Let's take this one piece at a time. He claims that the Palestinians are "besieged" by their occupiers:

    As Americans commemorated their annual celebration of independence from colonial occupation, rejoicing in their democratic institutions, we Palestinians were yet again besieged by our occupiers, who destroy our roads and buildings, our power stations and water plants, and who attack our very means of civil administration. Our homes and government offices are shelled, our parliamentarians taken prisoner and threatened with prosecution.

    The Israelis pulled out of Gaza completely, however, several months ago. They packed up the IDF, forced thousands of settlers out of their homes, and sent everyone back into Israel. The Palestinians held Gaza for themselves. What did they do with it? They used it as a launching pad for Kassam rockets into Israel almost since the day the IDF left. Now Haniyeh wants us to hearken back to our colonial roots to understand ... what? That an act of war, repeatedly taken, results in a military response?

    The current Gaza invasion is only the latest effort to destroy the results of fair and free elections held early this year. It is the explosive follow-up to a five-month campaign of economic and diplomatic warfare directed by the United States and Israel. The stated intention of that strategy was to force the average Palestinian to "reconsider" her vote when faced with deepening hardship; its failure was predictable, and the new overt military aggression and collective punishment are its logical fulfillment. The "kidnapped" Israeli Cpl. Gilad Shalit is only a pretext for a job scheduled months ago.

    The economic sanctions did not have the intent of forcing Palestinians to "reconsider" their vote. We made it plain that we would not send our money to Islamofascist terrorists groups, especially one that used the election to tear up all previous agreements between Israel and the PA. I don't know why Haniyeh put scare quotes around "kidnapped"; is he arguing that Gilad Shalit asked to be shot and captured by Hamas terrorists after they invaded Israel? And once again, Haniyeh complains about a military response to an act of war, somewhat akin to a child whining to his mother that his older sibling hit him back.

    In addition to removing our democratically elected government, Israel wants to sow dissent among Palestinians by claiming that there is a serious leadership rivalry among us. I am compelled to dispel this notion definitively. The Palestinian leadership is firmly embedded in the concept of Islamic shura , or mutual consultation; suffice it to say that while we may have differing opinions, we are united in mutual respect and focused on the goal of serving our people.

    Oh ... so all of that shooting in the streets of Gaza and the West Bank between Fatah and Hamas amounted to "mutual respect"? Is that why Hamas and Fatah prisoners in Israel had to come up with the NCD to get the two factions to quit killing each other? If Haniyeh expects Americans to believe this drivel, he has to do better than this.

    As I inspect the ruins of our infrastructure -- the largess of donor nations and international efforts all turned to rubble once more by F-16s and American-made missiles -- my thoughts again turn to the minds of Americans. What do they think of this?

    They think, doubtless, of the hostage soldier, taken in battle -- yet thousands of Palestinians, including hundreds of women and children, remain in Israeli jails for resisting the illegal, ongoing occupation that is condemned by international law. They think of the pluck and "toughness" of Israel, "standing up" to "terrorists." Yet a nuclear Israel possesses the 13th-largest military force on the planet, one that is used to rule an area about the size of New Jersey and whose adversaries there have no conventional armed forces.

    Syria has no conventional armed forces? Iran has no conventional armed forces? Haniyeh expects us to conveniently forget the two wars launched on Israel by their Arab neighbors. These forced Isreal to capture Gaza and the West Bank as buffers in 1967, after the Palestinians allowed the Arabs to use their lands as conduits for the attacks. If Hamas is stupid enough to engage the 13th largest military force in the world by continually firing rockets from Gaza, then they will meet the IDF up close and personal.

    And, by the way, people who deliberately blow up civilians eating at falafel stands are terrorists, and so are the groups that endorse it.

    I hope that Americans will give careful and well-informed thought to root causes and historical realities, in which case I think they will question why a supposedly "legitimate" state such as Israel has had to conduct decades of war against a subject refugee population without ever achieving its goals.

    Once again, we see that Hamas still refuses to recognize Israel as legitimate; hence the scare quotes. Also, part of the problem is that Israel has not conducted a war against the Palestinians, despite decades of provocation. They did occupy the territory for four decades, and that is a legitimate complaint. However, we saw what happened when they pulled out of Gaza -- Islamic Jihad used it as a rocket pad for months while the Palestinian Authority did nothing to stop it, and Hamas conducted a border raid that left two soldiers dead and one kidnapped. The Palestinians have conducted a war against Israel; Israel just finally put itself in a position to fight a war in return.

    But there is a remedy, and while it is not easy it is consistent with our long-held beliefs. Palestinian priorities include recognition of the core dispute over the land of historical Palestine and the rights of all its people; resolution of the refugee issue from 1948; reclaiming all lands occupied in 1967; and stopping Israeli attacks, assassinations and military expansion. Contrary to popular depictions of the crisis in the American media, the dispute is not only about Gaza and the West Bank; it is a wider national conflict that can be resolved only by addressing the full dimensions of Palestinian national rights in an integrated manner. This means statehood for the West Bank and Gaza, a capital in Arab East Jerusalem, and resolving the 1948 Palestinian refugee issue fairly, on the basis of international legitimacy and established law. Meaningful negotiations with a non-expansionist, law-abiding Israel can proceed only after this tremendous labor has begun.

    "Historical Palestine" and "the refugee issue from 1948" means that Hamas will not settle for the West Bank and Gaza. They want all of Israel as well, and expect the Israelis to leave or to live under Hamas/Fatah rule. And note that Haniyeh won't even agree to negotiations with Israel -- or what's left of it -- until after they have capitulated on all of these points.

    Was Israel defending itself when it killed eight family members on a Gaza beach last month or three members of the Hajjaj family on Saturday, among them 6-year-old Rawan? I refuse to believe that such inhumanity sits well with the American public.

    That's the consequences of war, Ismail. What he leaves out is that the Gaza Beach incident -- which did not come from an Israeli shell but a mine -- was part of an exchange of rocket fire that the terrorists in Gaza initiated. The shelling targeted an Islamic Jihad launching site. The details of the Hajjaj deaths are less clear, but in any case did not come from deliberately targeting the family. Hamas and Haniyeh, we should recall, endorsed as self-defense the deliberate targeting of civilians at a falafel stand, resulting in the deaths of 21 unarmed men, women, and children, and injuries to many more. How humane was that, Ismail, and why did you endorse that attack and condemn this one?

    Finally, Haniyeh presents us with an offer for hudna, perhaps not realizing that Americans have become more familiar with the concept since 9/11:

    If Israel is prepared to negotiate seriously and fairly, and resolve the core 1948 issues, rather than the secondary ones from 1967, a fair and permanent peace is possible. Based on a hudna (comprehensive cessation of hostilities for an agreed time), the Holy Land still has an opportunity to be a peaceful and stable economic powerhouse for all the Semitic people of the region.

    The hudna goes back to Mohammed, who used the device to gather his strength while weakening his enemy. Haniyeh knows full well what a hudna means, even if he thinks his audience does not. It's the final prevarication in a column full of lies and half-truths, hyperbole and hypocrisy. We leave Haniyeh's column more convinced than ever that Hamas has no intention of negotiating for Palestinian statehood along the framework of previous agreements, but intends to wage terrorism against Israel until it concedes.
    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


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    Re: Israel calling up reserve troops

    ^^A reminder. What is Hamas? [again a great site to bookmark]

    http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/mideast/hamas.htm

    Hamas Covenant 1988
    The Covenant
    of the
    Islamic Resistance Movement
    18 August 1988

    In The Name Of The Most Merciful Allah

    "Ye are the best nation that hath been raised up unto mankind: ye command that which is just, and ye forbid that which is unjust, and ye believe in Allah. And if they who have received the scriptures had believed, it had surely been the better for them: there are believers among them, but the greater part of them are transgressors. They shall not hurt you, unless with a slight hurt; and if they fight against you, they shall turn their backs to you, and they shall not be helped. They are smitten with vileness wheresoever they are found; unless they obtain security by entering into a treaty with Allah, and a treaty with men; and they draw on themselves indignation from Allah, and they are afflicted with poverty. This they suffer, because they disbelieved the signs of Allah, and slew the prophets unjustly; this, because they were rebellious, and transgressed." (Al-Imran - verses 109-111).

    Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it" (The Martyr, Imam Hassan al-Banna, of blessed memory).


    ^^read it all and it makes more sense

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    Re: Israel calling up reserve troops

    I say if they want to terrozie each other and bring the area to ruin, let 'em.

    Pull our troops outta the way and let them screw each other over, then pick up the pieces when the dust settles.

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    OK. Lets see if I have this right now

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060712...tunrestsoldier

    So we know the Gaza deal. The Palistian nuts dig a tunnel and get the soldier.
    Israel invades as a retaluation. Back and forth that we ynderstand.
    Meanwhile the boss of Eqypt is trying to middle a deal between the Palestinan nuts and Israel. Back and forth.
    Now the Lebanon nuts [affiliated with the Palestinian nuts] snatch and kill Israeli solders.
    And the boss of Eqypt feels the Lebanese nuts hosed him?

    That about it?

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    Re: Israel calling up reserve troops

    I just hope it is not the start of WWIII.
    Brian

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    Re: Israel calling up reserve troops

    ^^I think that started sometime ago.

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    I think its safe to call this Mideast War at least.

    On the news now Israel just leveled the Government building in Gaza. And a line is drawn In Lebanon.
    Sheesh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimzinsocal
    I think its safe to call this Mideast War at least.

    On the news now Israel just leveled the Government building in Gaza. And a line is drawn In Lebanon.
    Sheesh.
    When the hell will Hezzbullah learn...?? Don't poke the bear! Reap what ye sow.... BIYATCHES!!
    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


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    Its a curious mindset Scooter. Pick a fight you cant win. Its the typical showboat mentality for some silly symbolism. Some foolish call to arms among the nuts.
    Pretty heavy.
    All over one soldier that the nuts refused to release. So they get this. They have asked for this.

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    So. Will the nuts clear out of Iraq and go fight the more active war? The bigger call to duty?

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    That they think we actually buy into any of their "victim" claims is almost comical. This pic does a pretty good job of depicting what lies in the near future for hezbullah and their buddies if they do not return the troops and back off post haste....

    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


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