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  1. #61
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    Re: Israel calling up reserve troops

    Quote Originally Posted by madhatter256
    ... I guess Iraq is now able to control itself, security wise, ...
    Really?

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    Re: Israel calling up reserve troops

    That's right... just keep poking the bear hizbullah.... dumbasses.

    IDF confirms warship hit by explosive-laden UAV

    A Hizbullah strike on an IDF warship off the Lebanese coast damaged the ship severely, The IDF confirmed to The Jerusalem Post late Friday.

    Earlier reports disagreed regarding the extent of the damage, with the IDF initially reporting that the ship was largely unharmed.

    According to security officials, the ship was struck by an unmanned aerial vehicle packed with explosives, a new tactic for Hizbullah.

    Shortly before the strike, Hizbullah leader Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah said in a telephone call to Hizbullah media outlets that Israel's ongoing operations in Lebanon were a campaign of revenge over its "defeat," as he referred to the Israeli withdrawal from southern Lebanon in 2000.

    Nasrallah was responding to growing criticism over the Hizbullah cross-border attack on Wednesday that spurred the Israeli response.

    He also promised that IDF naval ships maintaining a sea blockade on Lebanese ports would be destroyed and called on the Lebanese people to join forces against Israel.

    The comments came after Hizbullah threatened to strike Haifa and beyond with improved Katyusha rockets in response to the destruction of Hizbullah headquarters in southern Beirut and Nasrallah's private residence.

    In an urgent flash, the organization's al-Manar TV station said the building housing Hizbullah's leadership was destroyed. It did not elaborate, nor say whether there were any casualties.

    The report on the destruction of Nasrallah's home was announced by official Hizbullah media outlets.

    It is generally known that Nasrallah, whose movements are treated with a high level of secrecy, moves from one place to another, particularly during the Israeli offensive.

    Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's meeting with the "Group of Seven" security-related cabinet advisors ended a short time earlier on Friday evening. At the meeting, the prime minister approved a new list of targets for ongoing IDF operations in Lebanon.

    On Friday afternoon, IDF warplanes renewed attacks on the southern Beirut suburb of Dahiya, targeting a radio station belonging to the Hizbullah terror organization, Hizbullah said.

    The organization's Al-Manar TV reported that Israeli warplanes fired a missile in the vicinity of the Al-Nour station in the Haret Hreik neighborhood south of Beirut but missed the facility and struck an apartment in a residential building instead. There was no immediate word on casualties, and the station remained on the air.

    It was the second time Friday that IAF planes targeted residential neighborhoods in south Beirut, a stronghold of the Shi'ite Muslim Hizbullah's leadership. Israeli planes earlier rained missiles on roads in the suburbs, knocking down an overpass and damaging another.

    The IDF also continued its bombardment of southern Lebanon on Friday afternoon, bombing two bridges over the Hazharani river as well as a Hizbullah anti-aircraft missile base and a fuel depot in Talusia.

    Earlier on Friday, IDF forces foiled an infiltration attempt by Hizbullah operatives near an IDF post close to Zar'it on the northern border on Friday.

    Troops opened fire towards the infiltrators and clashes erupted in the area.

    Meanwhile, IAF fighter-bombers blasted Beirut International Airport in the third attack on the nation's sole international facility since the military offensive was launched against Lebanon three days ago.

    Airport officials said one of the three runways was hit with two missiles and Lebanese eyewitnesses reported that a nearby residential building was struck in the raid. No casualties were reported.

    About an hour before Friday's raid, the five remaining Airbus jets belonging to the national carrier Middle East Airlines flew to Amman for safety reasons, officials said.

    Early Friday, an Israeli plane also fired a missile at a fuel storage tank for the power station at Jiye on the Mediterranean coast in central Lebanon, just north of the port city of Sidon, witnesses said.

    The attack started a huge fire in the area, about 20 miles south of the Lebanese capital, but the power station itself was not hit. There were no immediate reports of casualties.
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    Re: Israel calling up reserve troops

    From the article posted above,
    Shortly before the strike, Hizbullah leader Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah said in a telephone call to Hizbullah media outlets that Israel's ongoing operations in Lebanon were a campaign of revenge over its "defeat," as he referred to the Israeli withdrawal from southern Lebanon in 2000.
    That's the issue alot of people don't understand. When Israel pulls back its forces it isn't seen by the Hamas or Hizbullah as a move towards peace but rather a victory in their war. That illustrates once again that they have absolutely zero interest in peace. This is why I get irritated when we have critics that can sit there and blame Israel for not trying harder and restraining itself despite the fact that it is eternally on the defensive from these groups that want nothing less than their immediate execution.

    EDIT: Let me not forget that these lands that Israel withdraws from become the staging grounds for new attacks to be launched (a la capture soldiers and firing rockets into Israel whether it be from Palestine of Lebanon). Israel really doesn't have any good reason to even withdraw.

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    Re: Israel calling up reserve troops

    From the other thread

    "For some reason, however, many Europeans and Americans can’t bring themselves to accept that Hamas is articulating not a negotiating posture but a religious conviction. By now, most people understand that Islamists consider it impermissible for a Muslim ever to convert to another religion — conversion brings a death sentence in Saudi Arabia and other countries where extreme variants of Islam hold sway. What most people may not realize is that Islamists also believe it is impermissible for land to convert: Territory once conquered by Muslims, they insist, must never revert to the rule of infidels. That includes not just Israel but large parts of Europe. Also Kashmir, they demand, must be Muslim-ruled; that almost certainly was the motive behind this week’s railway bombings in India."

    So far as the Euro countries that have no real defense capabilities and are worried about oil and tailor their public comments accordingly?
    It will be interesting down the road when Islamic fanatics that theyve invited ask that Parliament be disolved and replaced with something more agreeable to the fanatics.

    I also wonder why people have such a repulsion to a few hundred dying in a battle because some wont change behaviour. Why isnt this the bigger issue?

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    ^^Solveable. If human life is such a premium concern.
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  5. #65
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    Re: Israel calling up reserve troops

    Quote Originally Posted by AMDScooter
    Actually I'm glad they are there ATM. It will cause Iran and Syria to think twice .. maybe three times about making any seriously stupid moves. Sure they will do their best to whip up the radicals and the press... but that's par for the course.

    No frikkin way. Having them there is a big red "Get The USA Involved" button that ANYONE can push. If they get hit, it's gonna piss Americans off, and we're gonna get involved. Which effectively means the choice to enter war is out of our hands. Never a good tactical move to let the enemy (or ally?) chose the place and time when you enter combat.

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    Re: Israel calling up reserve troops

    Syria

    However, the statement did not come from Bashar Assad, the ostensible leader of Syria, but from a meeting of the Ba'athist party's power brokers:

    Syria will support Hizbollah and Lebanon against Israel's attacks on the country, the ruling Baath Party said on Friday, defying the Jewish state and its chief ally Washington.

    "The Syrian people are ready to extend full support to the Lebanese people and their heroic resistance to remain steadfast and confront the barbaric Israeli aggression and its crimes," said a communiqu¿ from the party's national command issued after a meeting.

    It said Israel and the United States "are trying to wipe out Arab resistance in every land under occupation" and that President Bashar al-Assad was aware of the seriousness of the situation in the region.

    The national command is the highest echelon of the Baath Party, which has been in power since 1963. The party considers the issue of Arab rights and regaining land occupied by Israel central to its legitimacy.

    Assad, who is shaped by his late father's lifetime of struggle with Israel, was not at the meeting.

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    Re: Israel calling up reserve troops

    Israel suggests Iranian fingerprints on the missle that whacked one of its Navel vessels.
    I certainly havent seen the missle but I suppose they are telling is the truth

    http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...ticle/ShowFull

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    Re: Israel calling up reserve troops

    Did I just hear correctly? Israel has bombed stuff up by the Syrian border?

    also this

    The intelligence official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the information, said about 100 Iranian soldiers are in Lebanon and helped fire the Iranian-made, radar-guided C-102 at the ship late Friday.
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    Re: Israel calling up reserve troops

    This is related to what they were talking about in the Weekly Standard piece.
    Am I reading this right that these moderate Arab States are in public criticising the terrorists?

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,203777,00.html

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    Re: Israel calling up reserve troops

    Quote Originally Posted by jimzinsocal
    The intelligence official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the information, said about 100 Iranian soldiers are in Lebanon and helped fire the Iranian-made, radar-guided C-102 at the ship late Friday.
    My thoughts: Don't be messin around with such accusations unless they can be verified. Because if they're true it's gonna be a lot worse than it already is.
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    Re: Israel calling up reserve troops

    Being sarcastic. What a brilliant way to get oil up to over $100
    a barrel. I can see Shell, BP, etc rubbing their hands in glee
    watching that part of the world go to h*ll, while dollar bill
    signs reflect in their pupils..I hope I'm wrong, but don't think
    so. Soon I'll have to look into getting a horse and a cart.
    Which wouldn't be such a bad thing here in town.

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    Re: Israel calling up reserve troops

    Quote Originally Posted by smoked trout
    My thoughts: Don't be messin around with such accusations unless they can be verified. Because if they're true it's gonna be a lot worse than it already is.
    Thats for sure. Meanwhile Israel took out the shorline radar earlier..evidently that was used in the ship attack.
    I also just saw theyve set up 3 patriot missile batteries

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    Re: Israel calling up reserve troops

    Heres the link for that stuff^^

    http://www.ynetnews.com/home/0,7340,L-3082,00.html

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    Re: Israel calling up reserve troops

    Now on top of all this, here comes Syria talking smack
    http://www.yahoo.com/s/347377

    Syria will put its resources at the disposal of Lebanon to help cope with Israeli attacks devastating the country, Syrian President Bashar al-Assad told Lebanese President Emile Lahoud by phone on Saturday.

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    Re: Israel calling up reserve troops

    And the missle that hit the Israli ship? A trip down memory lane/July 1997.

    Senate Calls for Sanctions on China

    Following Iranian tests of a new air-launched anti-ship cruise missile acquired from China, the Senate, on June 18, approved a non-binding "sense-of-the-Senate" resolution offered by Senator Robert Bennett (RUT) urging the Clinton administration to enforce the Iran-Iraq Arms NonProliferation Act of 1992 and sanction China for selling the missiles to Iran.

    Testifying in April, Deputy Assistant Secretary of State Robert Einhorn said the law "does provide for a substantial list of actions" against anyone providing Iran or Iraq with destabilizing numbers or types of conventional weapons, or assisting them in the acquisition of weapons of mass destruction. The administration has maintained since March 1996 that China's sale of the C802 Silkworm land and sea-launched anti-ship missile to Iran are not sufficiently destabilizing in numbers or type to trigger sanctions. That judgment, however, was called into question by the Senate after Defense Secretary William Cohen's June 17 announcement of Iran's successful tests of the C801 Sardine, a variant of the Silkworm.

    According to a senior defense official, U.S. ships in the Persian Gulf now face "a 360degree threat which can . . . come up on you very, very quickly." Iran has deployed the C802 on its coast and on more than 20 patrol boats and frigates; the addition of the air-launched C801 variant provides Iran with an additional anti-ship capability that can be launched from any direction. The official pointed out, however, that the U.S. Navy "can certainly track and engage any cruise missile in the Gulf today."

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