View Poll Results: Do you think U.S. citizens should reimburse the government for evacuation?

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  1. #16
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    Re: "Evacuation fees"

    I generally agree with your posts Orangutan, but not in this case. There is a lack of personal responsibility when a family doesn't say "Hrm, the city I'm in is being BLOWN UP, perhaps I should take my family on a vacation until this violence stops."

    Sitting on your ass and doing nothing while you have the ability to do something to protect yourself and your family is not something the Government should be forced to provide resolution for.

    Firemen charging fees? Well, did the person needing rescue sit in the building knowing it was on fire and say "I'm gonna sit here and make someone else come get me, despite the door being 5 feet away and easily reachable."

    Coast Guard: Did someone go out on a boat they knew to have a leak in the bottom with failed bilge pumps?

    The situation is this: Everyone was aware this situation in the Middle East right now was going to escalate. Those people who ignored the reality and instead chose to sit on their asses and ride it out, only to find out later that it isn't something they CAN just ignore and wait to blow over should be paying for their own evacuation now.

    Same as the Katrina people who ignored the evacuation orders and subsequently had to be rescued from their own arrogance and stupidity.

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    Re: "Evacuation fees"

    Quote Originally Posted by Orangutan
    So let me get this straight.
    Shall firemen charge fees to those whom they rescue from burning buildings? Or the Coast Guard extort money from the people they rescue at sea? After all, they placed themselves in a dangerous situation by being the water.

    News Flash MANY MANY fire stations in the U.S.A charge a fee of some kind for runs they make they do in my community especially if your the one at fault ambulance runs are expensive.The Coast guard may also impose penalties on you if you commited an unlawfull offence or out right stupidity that got you in the predicament that caused them to save your a$$ or had to tow your vessel to port.The U.S government IS NOT a Travel/Tow service plus any fee they charge to bring you home isnt as much as the initial commercial trip would have cost anyway so whats the big deal?

    DID some of us forget that the gov said there will be no charges to evacuate lebanon?What a reallly non issue at this point
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    Re: "Evacuation fees"

    Quote Originally Posted by Orangutan
    So let me get this straight.

    Every U.S. citizen pays the local, state, and federal governments every year a certain amount of money. This money provides for all sorts of programs that are, ostensibly, designed for the country. Much of the federal government's money goes toward the Department of Defense, the military. The very same forces designed to protect the country, a country of/by/for the people. Now you are saying that the government has the right to charge an additional fee on top of everything we pay in taxes for doing its job. Shall firemen charge fees to those whom they rescue from burning buildings? Or the Coast Guard extort money from the people they rescue at sea? After all, they placed themselves in a dangerous situation by being the water.

    Yet most people here have no problem spending billions a year to "free" the Iraqis, who by the way will never pay US a dime back for all our efforts. We also protect Germany and Japan for free as well, and I'm sure countless other countries as well. It seems we can't help other nations' people out enough, or spend enough money doing it. How many billions were sent to help the people of the tsunami compared to help our OWN people of New Orleans?

    Don't get me wrong. I think both the people in Lebabnon and the people in New Orleans were stupid to have waited until it was too late to get out, but in the end, they are American citizens and it's the US governments job to look after it's own citizens first and foremost. Why the government has convinced it's citizens that it's okay to spend hundreds of billions a year to help everyone else out but it's not okay to spend hundreds of thousands to help it's own is a huge mystery to me.

    Keep paying those taxes suckers. Freedom has to be free for Iraqi's, Japanese, Koreans, Germans......
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    Re: "Evacuation fees"

    Quote Originally Posted by Orangutan
    So let me get this straight.

    Every U.S. citizen pays the local, state, and federal governments every year a certain amount of money. This money provides for all sorts of programs that are, ostensibly, designed for the country. Much of the federal government's money goes toward the Department of Defense, the military. The very same forces designed to protect the country, a country of/by/for the people. Now you are saying that the government has the right to charge an additional fee on top of everything we pay in taxes for doing its job. Shall firemen charge fees to those whom they rescue from burning buildings? Or the Coast Guard extort money from the people they rescue at sea? After all, they placed themselves in a dangerous situation by being the water.

    Off topic but here goes,
    Does every citizen pay the local, state and federal taxes? Seems that there are millions of people in this country that will look for and pursue the free ride. ie, Katrina evacuees STILL living in hotels on your and my dime. Just had to add that.

    An example of extra fees etc. If your home alrm system goes off more than a certain amount of times and is a false alarm, many municipalities are going to send you a bill for dispatching police to the home or business, take the responsibility for it or pay the fine.

    Most if not all of the people there WERE AWARE THAT IT IS A DANGEROUS PLACE. Why can't people take responsibilty for their choices? And why do we have millions of people in this country being appologists for them?

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    Re: "Evacuation fees"

    Quote Originally Posted by Orangutan
    So let me get this straight.

    Every U.S. citizen pays the local, state, and federal governments every year a certain amount of money. This money provides for all sorts of programs that are, ostensibly, designed for the country. Much of the federal government's money goes toward the Department of Defense, the military. The very same forces designed to protect the country, a country of/by/for the people. Now you are saying that the government has the right to charge an additional fee on top of everything we pay in taxes for doing its job. Shall firemen charge fees to those whom they rescue from burning buildings? Or the Coast Guard extort money from the people they rescue at sea? After all, they placed themselves in a dangerous situation by being the water.

    The difference in this case Orang is dual citizenship. If I have a house in Lebanon I know for a fact that if it catches on fire I cannot call my local Indiana fire department.

    It is a different situation. Think of all of the American tourists who were involved in the recent Earth Quakes and Tsunami's? Where is their merchant rescue boat with destroyer escort?

    So I guess the point is if one has dual citizenship why doesn't the country they are currently living/visiting pay for their way back to their other country?

  6. #21
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    Re: "Evacuation fees"

    The coast guard, police stations, and even firemen DO charge citizens for their services if said agency determines that the fault lies with the 'rescued' and it happened due to lack of personal responsibility. At some point people do have to accept responsibility for their actions.

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    Re: "Evacuation fees"

    Of course it didn't help the evacuation by Israel blowing up the airport.
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  8. #23
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    Re: "Evacuation fees"

    ^^^^

    You would think they would have waited till all of us elitist Americans were out of the country

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    Re: "Evacuation fees"

    Fact#1 Americans that travel abroad payed their own way there.
    Fact#2 When its time to come home Americans also pay their own way back Regaurdless of the timing.

    I actually think the gov is doing them a favor giving them a free ride and meal to boot in most cases saving them a few bucks. I Wonder whats for dinner tonight on the orient princess luxury liner? I hear beirut is pretty at night as the bombs go off in the distance under the sunset.Free mediteranian cruise and a fireworks show Definately a kodak moment.And the price is right Free.

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