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  1. #31
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    Re: "A suspect in the JonBenet Ramsey murder has been arrested in Thailand"

    Quote Originally Posted by jimzinsocal
    Now here is a parallel. Lets assume this guy is guilty for a minute.
    What do we do with guys like this? We remove them.
    So why is it such a stretch for some to "remove" terrorists?
    They both prey on innocents. Why are we willing to "negotiate" with terrorists yet there wont be negotiation with this kook?
    Well I think one reason is that there are more
    than just one terrorist and if you don't catch em
    all, they'll continue to cause the crap they
    do. Plus how does one know who a terrorist
    is until the crime is done ? I also think
    buying time to catch one or more so a
    large group has to be brought into the fold.

    In the case of this creep, he has been caught
    is sitting in the slammer and isn't going
    anywhere. When you have the right cards
    in your hand, you can do many things.
    When your not sure what you have, you
    do things to see if you can turn an advantage.

    Other than this super simple and more than
    likely mistaken explanation, I just don't
    know..I gues its like the mouse trap.
    One baits it so the mouse will go for it.
    Once the traps springs, then it's a whole
    different deal....The RAT ain't going
    nowhere !
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    Re: "A suspect in the JonBenet Ramsey murder has been arrested in Thailand"

    ^^The parallel isnt exact.... it was just something that struck me this morning.
    We seem to all agree child molesters and killers need to be removed from society.
    Yet with people that presumably can and do kill/injure more citizens? Well..... some of us feel that action isnt as bad.
    That the rights of lawyers/scholars etc to communicate with known terror groups is somehow more important than our collective right to live with some measure of safety from the nuts.
    Sorry for the OT

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    Re: "A suspect in the JonBenet Ramsey murder has been arrested in Thailand"

    Quote Originally Posted by jimzinsocal
    Yet you know? Its too perfect. Ill put a 10 spot on the guy turning out to be just a nutcase.
    After watching the news and seeing this guy speak to the media in Thailand, I'd bet $100 he didn't do it.

    a) he claims to have drugged her....there were no drugs in her system
    b) he said he picked her up from school that same day......she was on winter vacation it was the day after x-mas
    c) he said her death was an accident....she was found bound and gagged with a 8 inch gouge in her head and hung so tightly that her neck looked like the middle of an hourglass.

    My thought.....he got busted in Thailand (which I've often heard referred to as Disneyland for sex predators) and figured it'd be better to spend life in prison in the US rather than than spend one minute in a Thailand prison.

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    Re: "A suspect in the JonBenet Ramsey murder has been arrested in Thailand"

    cuz terrorists in some places do the providing for the local people which gives them leverage considering they influence so many. I bet there are more people registered as sex offenders in this country than we have on the lists of known terrorists. Besides sexual predators int his country is our societal issue... all we can do for other countries is pressure thier societies to speak up and put a stop to terrorism ..What are we supposed to take over all the countries that we know are supporting terrorism ....its not in our budget.

    pedophiles create pedophiles....its time to put a stop to it and it should be done publicly. Its one of those things that is so vile and twisted that i personally think the rule saying we should obstain from cruel and unusual punishment should be ignored...screw it if the gov would turn thier head im sure there are planty who would be willing to go through the sex offenders list and make public example of what happens to child predators.

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    Re: "A suspect in the JonBenet Ramsey murder has been arrested in Thailand"

    http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/08/17/ra...est/index.html

    Questions swirl around Karr's admissions
    'I loved her,' suspect says, calling JonBenet's death an accident

    Thursday, August 17, 2006; Posted: 11:58 p.m. EDT (03:58 GMT)

    BOULDER, Colorado (CNN) -- Far from laying to rest the 10-year mystery of who killed JonBenet Ramsey, the stunning admission Thursday by John Mark Karr in Bangkok, Thailand, only deepened speculation about whether the soft-spoken schoolteacher committed the crime.

    Citing ethical rules and the ongoing investigation, Boulder District Attorney Mary Lacy declined to discuss what evidence, other than Karr's post-arrest admissions, linked him to the 6-year-old beauty queen or the Ramsey family.

    "John Karr is presumed innocent," she said, adding that investigators had "much more work" to do and urging people not to rush to judgment. (Watch authorities caution the public against convicting Karr -- 4:30)

    Lacy also seemed to suggest the investigation is continuing.

    "There are circumstances that exist in any case that mandate an arrest before an investigation is complete," Lacy said, citing public safety and the possibility of flight as two such reasons.

    She insisted that her comments were generic, however, and that she was not commenting directly about the Karr investigation.

    The 41-year-old American was being held at a Bangkok immigration detention center. He faces charges in the United States of first-degree murder, kidnapping and sexual assault on a child, said Ann Hurst, a Department of Homeland Security attache in Bangkok.

    In comments before reporters in Bangkok on Thursday, Karr admitted to being involved in Ramsey's death.

    "I loved JonBenet, and she died accidentally," he said. Asked if he was an innocent man, Karr replied, "No." (Watch Karr's admission -- 1:15)

    Karr also had told an American investigator he had drugged Ramsey and sexually assaulted her before accidentally killing her, said a Thai police official, Gen. Suwat Thamrongsrisakul.

    Karr asked police what charges he was facing, Thamrongsrisakul said. When police replied first-degree murder, Karr said: "No, it's second-degree -- it wasn't intentional," according to Thamrongsrisakul. (Watch authorities describe what Karr told them -- 14:54)

    Ramsey's body was found in the basement of her family's Colorado home during the Christmas holiday in 1996. Autopsy results showed she received a massive blow to the head and was strangled with a rope that the killer tightened by twisting an attached paintbrush handle. An autopsy did not detect any drugs in her system.

    U.S. and Thai officials are working on clearing Karr's return to the United States, although no date for the extradition has been set.

    U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents and Thai authorities worked closely on the case for two months prior to his arrest on Wednesday, Hurst said.

    At the time of his arrest, Karr was under investigation for an unrelated sex crime, two law enforcement sources told CNN. Officials in Bangkok said he had traveled to Thailand -- a country notorious for its child sex trade -- five times in the past two years.

    Karr on Tuesday started a new job as a second-grade teacher at a school in Bangkok.
    Brother, ex-wife refute Ramsey connection

    Karr's brother, Nate, told Atlanta Fox affiliate WAGA that his family will provide information Friday to prove the allegation that Karr killed Ramsey is "just ridiculous."

    Karr's ex-wife, Lara Karr, said she also doubted his admission that he had killed Ramsey, saying the couple were together in Alabama that entire Christmas season.

    Lara Karr filed for a protective order in October 2001 to keep him away from her and their three sons, citing his child pornography arrest that April. In court documents she said that in 1996 -- months before Ramsey was killed -- an Alabama school district had dropped Karr as a substitute teacher because of concerns he was "too affectionate" with children.

    Bravell Johnson -- the school superintendent in Marion County, Alabama -- confirmed Karr's employment as an elementary school teacher in August and September 1996 and that parents' complaints led to Karr's dismissal.
    Karr fascinated by Ramsey case

    Karr researched the Ramsey case extensively and was riveted by it and the 1993 slaying of 12-year-old Polly Klaas in Petaluma, California, where he and his wife lived in 2000, Lara Karr said.

    Police in Sonoma County, California, said Karr was charged with five misdemeanor counts of possessing child pornography in 2001 but failed to appear in court after bailing out of jail. Karr had been working as a teacher and substitute teacher in Petaluma and Napa.

    Lara Karr said in the divorce petition that she was 16 when they married and initially did not know about his Internet activities or his propensity for "kiddie porn."

    Karr's arrest in Bangkok was the culmination of a probe that began after University of Colorado professor Michael Tracey contacted authorities in Boulder. (Read how the suspect corresponded with the professorexternal link)

    Tracey, who produced a documentary about JonBenet's killing, had been in touch with Karr for at least two years, according to university spokesman Barrie Hartman.

    Karr's e-mails to Tracey were initially innocuous. But when they became "weird" the professor contacted authorities with information that included a code name for the source of the e-mails, a law enforcement official said.

    With the help of agents from Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the e-mails were tracked to Thailand.

    The break came less than two months after JonBenet's mother, Patsy Ramsey, died of ovarian cancer at age 49. The arrest likely will dispel the cloud of suspicion that has hung over her parents for nearly a decade. (Watch Jon Ramsey react to the arrest -- 2:17)

    Karr told The Associated Press he wrote Patsy Ramsey before her death to express his remorse.

    "I conveyed to her many things, among them that I am so very sorry for what happened to JonBenet," he told AP, which described him as sweating and stuttering. (Read the full interview)

    Karr said he made several attempts to contact Patsy Ramsey, adding he believes "she did read my letters and she was aware of me before she passed away."

    CNN's Dan Simon, Kelli Arena, Andy Flick, Randi Kaye, Jeanne Meserve, Ed Lavandera, Narunart Prapanya and Atika Shubert contributed to this report.

    Copyright 2006 CNN. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. Associated Press contributed to this report.
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    Re: "A suspect in the JonBenet Ramsey murder has been arrested in Thailand"

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackDragon24
    After watching the news and seeing this guy speak to the media in Thailand, I'd bet $100 he didn't do it.
    A couple interesting tidbits picked up while watching this on the news...

    -About 15 - 20% of confessions turn out to be false.
    -Over 1,000 people confessed to the Lindberg abduction.

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    Re: "A suspect in the JonBenet Ramsey murder has been arrested in Thailand"

    ^^How true.
    Here is the problem for me with this nutcase.
    Way too much media hype. But what else they gonna talk about since "Lebanonese innocents" are no longer being targeted by the Zionist "menace"?
    Why not pull some hair out of the guys dome while he was in Thailand?
    And at least save some airfare costs?
    Is this all an effort to finally "clear" the parents in the public eye?
    They better have some solid forensic evidense because his confession is in the toilet.
    IMO

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    Re: "A suspect in the JonBenet Ramsey murder has been arrested in Thailand"

    There's not anything that can be done about JonBenet. The poor kid had to play the role of living doll for her parents and noose toy for someone... that all sucks.

    But there's an opportunity here for a group we might not expect... the UN. I would like to see them get involved in cleaning up the child sex trade in Thailand. Maybe they aren't the right people, but somebody really should clean up that crap.

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    Re: "A suspect in the JonBenet Ramsey murder has been arrested in Thailand"

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutchcedar
    There's not anything that can be done about JonBenet. The poor kid had to play the role of living doll for her parents and noose toy for someone... that all sucks.

    But there's an opportunity here for a group we might not expect... the UN. I would like to see them get involved in cleaning up the child sex trade in Thailand. Maybe they aren't the right people, but somebody really should clean up that crap.
    Mmm, it's a difficult prospect. Southeastern Asia, Africa, and Oceania are the worst hit places when it comes to the child sex trade. I don't even know how you would begin to crack down on it in those places.
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    Re: "A suspect in the JonBenet Ramsey murder has been arrested in Thailand"

    seems this case is no longer a slam dunk

    Doubts Arise About Story

    Any previous relationship between the family of JonBenet Ramsey and the Alabama man who has confessed to killing her remains a mystery -- though both once lived in suburban Atlanta.

    District Attorney Mary Lacy refused to say whether authorities have evidence linking to JonBenet's death.

    Hours after Karr told reporters in Thailand he was with the child beauty queen when she died, questions arose about his claims. That includes whether he drugged the 6-year-old girl, sexually assaulted her or was even in Colorado at the time she was killed.

    Author Carlton Smith wrote 1997's "Death of a Little Princess: The Tragic Story of the Murder of JonBenet Ramsey."

    He said of Karr, "It's clear to me that he's somewhat interested or maybe even obsessed by the case and the real question is whether he's inserting himself into it for some obscure psychological reason."

    Karr told investigators he drugged and sexually assaulted the girl before accidentally killing her. Yet JonBenet's autopsy report found no evidence of drugs, saying her death was caused by strangulation after a beating that included a fractured skull.

    Thai police said Karr told them he picked JonBenet up at school and took her to her home. But the slaying occurred during Christmas break.

    Karr's ex-wife, Lara Knutson, told reporters she cannot defend him, then insisted he was with her in Alabama that Christmas.

    http://www.wnbc.com/news/9698989/det...03000208182006
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    Re: "A suspect in the JonBenet Ramsey murder has been arrested in Thailand"

    My money is still on the parent's all the way. Yea, I know I shouldn't speculate, but there's something about those two I've always felt was evil. I don't know how else to put it. They've always seemed very detached from the whole thing while talking about their daughter in public. I mean, the Dad showed NO emotion at all, and the one time I saw Patsy cry, she seemed to be doing it more out of the fear of being caught than losing her daughter. Personally if something like that happened to me, I'd be way too damn distraught to go on TV and be interviewed. 10 days or 5 years after the fact.

    There was also very little, if any, evidence of an outside intruder. No tracks in the snow outside the basement window, and the ransom note apparently demanded the exact same amount of Jon's bonus that year. A strange coincidence to say the least.

    Of course even if the parent's didn't physically do the crime, taking their daughter to weird "pageants" and parading her around like an adult while in front of an audience of God knows who wasn't much better. Those shows must be a pedophiles dream. I'd bet big money that whoever killed JonBonet, if it wasn't one of her parent's, was in the audience of one or more of those shows.
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    Re: "A suspect in the JonBenet Ramsey murder has been arrested in Thailand"

    CNN and FOX News suck in this thing. Its all they can talk about and you'd think by now they'd have worn out the film of the puke in Thailand and the little girl dancing.

    Get over it already and move on until there's something new, besides another opinion.

    That's my complaint for the day.

    Oh, and I don't think this goof did JonBonet in. He's a sicko alright, no doubt, but there's somethin' else goin' on.

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    Re: "A suspect in the JonBenet Ramsey murder has been arrested in Thailand"

    ^^Agree with CNN and Fox. Talk about creating news where there actually isnt any.
    They have to get off the tripple type A personality type reporter who thinks theyre gonna be there when "the big one happens"

    I also agree about the parents being a bit strange.
    6 hours to find a kid in a house?
    My ears perk up when a kid coughs.

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    Re: "A suspect in the JonBenet Ramsey murder has been arrested in Thailand"

    From CNN

    The yearbook entry ends with Karr saying in capital block letters, "Though, deep in the future, maybe I shall be the conquerer [sic] and live in multiple peace."

    The ransom note found in the Ramsey home had demanded money for JonBenet's return and had ended with the word "Victory!" and was signed "S.B.T.C." Authorities want to know whether those letters might stand for "shall be the conquerer" and whether they could have been written by the same person.



    ^^for Chrissakes. Why not consilt the Ouiga Board or Magic Eight Ball next.
    Hey...its all tied together. Why was Paul walking barefoot on Abbey Road?
    Was George really dressed as a gravedigger?
    Put down the bong and just do standard police work.

    Waste of time.

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    Re: "A suspect in the JonBenet Ramsey murder has been arrested in Thailand"

    Quote Originally Posted by Orangutan
    This ought to prove interesting. I've always thought the family was responsible, but what is this turn of events?

    Here's the story:

    http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/08/16/ra...est/index.html

    The family IS responsible imo, this new development has degraded into nothing apparently, I haven't read the thread, so I assume this information has probably been covered.

    1. holes in the guys story, his former wife said they were on vacation in (??) at the time, This guy is just some mentally unbalanced individual who is crazy for jon bennet, his obssession probably incorporated him into the delusional of making up this story, and it wouldn't surprise me if he actually believes it. Initially i knew it was a fictitious confession, i hypothesized that it was some schizo or something, I don't think it was far off.

    Read this analysis of the ramsey note, the points are very compelling, all of the evidence definitely points to the parents guilt

    http://www.statementanalysis.com/ramseynote/
    Last edited by Computerwiz; 08-18-2006 at 11:39 PM.

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