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    $80bbl crude - greasing the wheels of terrorism

    Saw this mentioned by Boortz as a dirty little secret; and expounded upon by Victor Davis Hanson.

    My question is - how can anybody who's breathing NOT know this???


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    Re: $80bbl crude - greasing the wheels of terrorism

    Well the article pointed out problems but seemed to have no solutions.

    So what do we do?

    1) Eliminate the sources of weapons and funds?
    2) Eliminate our need for their oil?
    3) Eliminate everything.
    4) Eliminate ourselves.

    1 and 2 seem a little more practical. What are we doing towards those ends? Not too much IMO.
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    Re: $80bbl crude - greasing the wheels of terrorism

    Even as gasoline prices rise, as we hear about these record profits and how the money is used to fund terrorists, even as we hear that oil supplies are getting tighter, we Americans use more and more each day.

    If $3.00/gallon and the fear of terrorism don't slow us down, what in the hell will?
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    Re: $80bbl crude - greasing the wheels of terrorism

    hehe..
    fire up the algae ponds folks.
    I'm all for homegrown fuel.
    Diesel Diesel Diesel

    too expensive..let the market decide..

    I bet in 10 years time you can supply all diesel the united states for the cost of say the Iraq war.

    I know its imagined opportunity cost but according to those not bothered by the cost of the Iraq war its would be less than 1% than annual GDP
    Not to mention it would create jobs and be poured back into our economy.

    I understand the strategic importance of Iraq for secure our place for middle east oil aka "security"

    So if 1% percent GDP is an acceptable to secure our place in line for oil. 1% GDP should be acceptable to free us from the need of thier oil altogether.

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    Re: $80bbl crude - greasing the wheels of terrorism

    Quote Originally Posted by Orangutan
    we Americans use more and more each day.

    not this american. parked the suburban and bought an 86 jetta for $300. im no longer gratuitously contributing to "big oil" and "the terrorists"

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    Re: $80bbl crude - greasing the wheels of terrorism

    I've cut WAY down on driving. Way down. I say we bring back
    the Stanley Steamer in a updated version using filtered ocean
    water. Runs clean and is easy on the lungs. Just have to make
    a small boiler that could handle todays rigors.

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    Re: $80bbl crude - greasing the wheels of terrorism

    Quote Originally Posted by no2guncntrl
    I say we bring back
    the Stanley Steamer
    The carpet cleaner?

    in a updated version using filtered ocean
    water. Runs clean and is easy on the lungs. Just have to make
    a small boiler that could handle todays rigors.
    You still need a fuel to heat the water to boiling point.

    Quote Originally Posted by cwolv
    not this american. parked the suburban and bought an 86 jetta for $300. im no longer gratuitously contributing to "big oil" and "the terrorists"
    Hah, bet that thing is fun.

    Quote Originally Posted by PaternityTest
    So if 1% percent GDP is an acceptable to secure our place in line for oil. 1% GDP should be acceptable to free us from the need of thier oil altogether.
    Ah, but where's the profit in that?
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    Re: $80bbl crude - greasing the wheels of terrorism

    You still need a fuel to heat the
    water to boiling point.
    No problem. Use some product from Esbit
    to heat and off ya go. With todays tech, one or
    more could come with a viable steam powered
    ride. Not only would one go down the road
    cleaner while telling those in the oil business
    to bug off, but one would also be watering
    all the trees and plants along the way.
    What better way to get back to green ?
    Sure one couldn't completely eliminate oil
    usage, but it would cut down a large portion
    of it's consumption.
    http://www.esbit.de/

    Last edited by no2guncntrl; 08-26-2006 at 03:51 PM.

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    Re: $80bbl crude - greasing the wheels of terrorism

    First? What oil producing countries do with oil profits is not relevant. As much as it may bother us? Its not our issue...and we only confuse the subject by dragging in the terror funding aspect. Would we all feel better if the cash went to fund the arts?
    What we need to focus on is someone has us by the balls. Just like a drug dealer.
    And how do we get around him?
    Eliminate him and take all his drugs
    Find another dealer with better manners
    Find another drug
    Eliminate the need for a dealer

    It seems to me the obvious choices are the last two.
    Heres where everyone has arguements. It cant be one way or the other.
    Each side needs to give some. In my head? 50/50 is fair.
    For every additional bbl of oil taken domestically? We need the same in new fuels.
    And if were smart? Well make the new fuels here..unless we like the "foreign dealer"
    routine.
    Personally? I think the car companies are wasting money with gasoline efficiency
    investment. Stick the same cash into alternate fuel research and improvement.
    Doesnt make a whole lot of sense to try and wring another 2 or 3 mpg out of a gallon of gas.
    Also the aviation industry needs to follow the same path....they represrnt I believe, nearly half of our consumption.[military included].

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    Re: $80bbl crude - greasing the wheels of terrorism

    ^^ I think trains use a lot of diesel but am not real sure on that.

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