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    Re: Best Gaming CPU

    All AMD next-gen stuff is just speculation anyway.
    At best they will be on par with intel on performance in the next years or so. Intel will be at 45nm, while AMD will just have converted to 65nm.
    I sure hope AMD has the yields they are boasting about.

    So, imo, intel socket 775 is the way to go. However the 8800 path is too expensive to recommend, again imo.
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    Re: Best Gaming CPU

    IMO GPU's have more importance than CPU's when your gaming

    Also, CPU's with onboard memory controllers suit todays generation of games better than ones with large caches...

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    Re: Best Gaming CPU

    Solid speculation.
    AMD has blown away "expectations" regarding performance since the first Athlon. You over estimate the effect of 45nm, both on performance and market penatration. AMD is closer to 45nm than you seem to realize, anyway.
    They always have (since Fab 30) They virually eliminate the low yield beginnings that intel suffers through.
    Why? 775 is at the EOL. The current 775 (3rd revision) will not support another chip. If intel uses the same socket (doubtful) it wil be revised yet again for the next mass market cpu.

    8800 (and the ATI 600) are priced for SLI price point users. They are not mass market chips. To even be useful you need a $1000 monitor to go with them.


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    Re: Best Gaming CPU

    $1000 dollars for a monitor to utilize the 8800, sounds like an exaggeration.

    Im sure I could find somthing perfect for half if not less than half that price.


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    Re: Best Gaming CPU

    Quote Originally Posted by dnd View Post
    IMO GPU's have more importance than CPU's when your gaming
    This is a fact.

    Also, CPU's with onboard memory controllers suit todays generation of games better than ones with large caches...
    This is non-sense.

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    Re: Best Gaming CPU

    Sorry, I seem to have under estimated http://h71016.www7.hp.com/dstore/Mid...D=19701&SBLID=
    24" WS is only 1000


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    Re: Best Gaming CPU

    Quote Originally Posted by Pehu View Post
    This is non-sense.
    Funny - I've never heard of a game completly fitting inside a 4MB cache rather than constantly fetching latency heavy data over a northbridge

    Stick to encoding vids and mp3s and sterile benchmarks...


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    Re: Best Gaming CPU

    Quote Originally Posted by dnd View Post
    Funny - I've never heard of a game completly fitting inside a 4MB cache rather than constantly fetching latency heavy data over a northbridge

    Stick to encoding vids and mp3s and sterile benchmarks...

    It is non-sense since neither of those things rules out the other and have nothing to do with each other (not to mention it is non-sense to think that you have to fit a program inside the cache to gain benefit of the cache...).

    An 'on-board memory controller' in itself has no absolute value performance wise and brings really nothing to the table (except making any single processor with such a thing stuck with any given memory type/s) to the end-user.

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    Re: Best Gaming CPU

    Quote Originally Posted by Pehu View Post
    It is non-sense since neither of those things rules out the other and have nothing to do with each other (not to mention it is non-sense to think that you have to fit a program inside the cache to gain benefit of the cache...).

    An 'on-board memory controller' in itself has no absolute value performance wise and brings really nothing to the table (except making any single processor with such a thing stuck with any given memory type/s) to the end-user.
    Sorry, I couldn't follow your english...

    Here's a detailed explanation of why on-board memory controllers are better for gaming....

    http://forums.pcper.com/showthread.php?t=421893

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    Re: Best Gaming CPU

    There's more to a fast cpu than an IMC its pretty obvious at this point in the game.
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    Re: Best Gaming CPU

    Quote Originally Posted by highoctane View Post
    There's more to a fast cpu than an IMC its pretty obvious at this point in the game.
    For WHAT exactly - non-linear gaming or linear video/audio encoding???

    BTW Intel is sticking IMC's on their processors mid-2008 onwards...

    "Intel to take AMD approach to future chips "
    http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=35892

    "Bloomfield is a single-die, high-performing 45 nanometre part that features four cores and an integrated memory controller supporting DDR3 memory"
    Last edited by dnd; 11-26-2006 at 04:51 PM.

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    Re: Best Gaming CPU

    It doesn't matter in either case, at this point with current cores the Intels prefetch has been able to keep the cache fed that an IMC isn't even an issue, at this point.

    Intel will have an IMC probably around 2008, can't remember the core off the top of my head. With things moving more towards highly multicored architectures the IMC will have a larger impact but until then I would say the core architecture has managed to do a remarkable job considering its relying so heavily on a fsb and still manages to deliver higher performance across the board even with the smaller 2mb cache variants.

    The IMC makes better sense to me but in the end Intel doesn't need it right now to boost performance which is pretty obvious.

    EDIT: Well there you go, you edited your post before I finished mine, IMC is coming in 2008 but with current dual and quad cores it isn't neccissary to deliver solid performance.
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    Re: Best Gaming CPU

    Quote Originally Posted by highoctane View Post
    ...still manages to deliver higher performance across the board...

    Unbelievable...
    Last edited by dnd; 11-26-2006 at 05:14 PM.

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    Re: Best Gaming CPU

    Quote Originally Posted by dnd View Post
    Sorry, I couldn't follow your english...
    Well, that's no surprise.

    How does a Conroe chip with 2MB of cache beat an FX-62 with 2MB of cache clock-per-clock according to your logic? Core2Duo is clearly the faster CPU compared to current AMD counterparts in 99% of CPU limited situations whether you game, encode, whatever...

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    Re: Best Gaming CPU

    Quote Originally Posted by Pehu View Post
    Well, that's no surprise.

    How does a Conroe chip with 2MB of cache beat an FX-62 with 2MB of cache clock-per-clock according to your logic? Core2Duo is clearly the faster CPU compared to current AMD counterparts in 99% of CPU limited situations whether you game, encode, whatever...
    That's better - more articulate...

    All I'm saying is that IMO the architecture doesn't suit gaming - see the link for a more detailed explanation

    Whetever 'performance graphs' you've seen can't take into account all real life scenarios...
    Last edited by dnd; 11-26-2006 at 05:22 PM.

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