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    Intel's 45nm Up and running!

    Hey guys, it looks like Intel is farther ahead on the process race than we thought...

    http://www.pcper.com/comments.php?nid=3362

    So while AMD is just now getting 65nm out the door, Intel is already a leap ahead.


    And please digg this here: http://digg.com/hardware/Intel_45nm_...d_coming_early
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    Re: Intel's 45nm Up and running!

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan View Post
    Hey guys, it looks like Intel is farther ahead on the process race than we thought...

    http://www.pcper.com/comments.php?nid=3362

    So while AMD is just now getting 65nm out the door, Intel is already a leap ahead.


    And please digg this here: http://digg.com/hardware/Intel_45nm_...d_coming_early
    intel only has 5 times the number of fabs (15 my last count), and that's being generous to amd who only owns 2 of the three fabs it uses.

    it all comes down to resources.
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    Re: Intel's 45nm Up and running!

    Yes, but capacity does not equal technology -- sure AMD only sells a portion of what Intel does, but if AMD can't offer the same technologies as Intel it will hurt even more.
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    Re: Intel's 45nm Up and running!

    i hope it folds like a monster and yep,interesting to see new tech. now,amd ya better catch up somehow
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    Re: Intel's 45nm Up and running!

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan View Post
    Yes, but capacity does not equal technology -- sure AMD only sells a portion of what Intel does, but if AMD can't offer the same technologies as Intel it will hurt even more.
    they don't have the resources, they can't as easily put new ideas into production as intel.

    intel is where intel SHOULD be right now. gotta wonder how things would be if amd had 15 fabs to work with.

    unfortunately for us they don't so of course intel will likely prosper once more, hopefully amd's buying ati will generate enough revenue to get them back on some sort of even playing field again.

    of course it takes time, and while amd, i believe still has some much superior technology to intels hack jobs, they just aren't enough to make up for the difference in process size. i mean come on, intel still using the fsb? not to mention they took a step backwards with their quad cores, they finally got them connected right with the dual cores, then they go backwards again, they may be fast, but they could be faster if done right.

    of course they're more concerned with short term, crushing amd anyway they can by rushing it out the door, worry about fixing it later i guess?
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    Re: Intel's 45nm Up and running!

    like they did on the dual cores a while back with pentium d they want to look good on paper for the consumer. little does average joe know that slapping two or four cores and having them talk to each other thru paper strings is baad,maky?

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    Re: Intel's 45nm Up and running!

    Quote Originally Posted by _dangtx_ View Post
    like they did on the dual cores a while back with pentium d they want to look good on paper for the consumer. little does average joe know that slapping two or four cores and having them talk to each other thru paper strings is baad,maky?
    Not really -- have you read on the QX6700 and QX6600 CPUs? They are great processors; and though they aren't "quad core on a piece of silicon" they are "quad core on chip" -- and as far as consumers are concerned, performance and power are what matter; end results. And Intel's Kentsfield holds that crown for now.
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    Re: Intel's 45nm Up and running!

    dont get me wrong on this id love to have a 4 cored beastie fold , its the tech. approach im pointing at

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    Re: Intel's 45nm Up and running!

    Dont think AMD is going to just lie down on this,they have great minds there.
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    Re: Intel's 45nm Up and running!

    hopefully the cash flow is there as well id hate to see intell get al the market again,in case(god forbid) soemthing happens to the green team.
    crickey,well see single cores shoot 200% up in price

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    Re: Intel's 45nm Up and running!

    When AMD got Barcelona to bring up Server 2003, it was ho hum. New processor and new (for AMD) process.
    As far as leaping ahead, intel is still ramping 65nm, and a demo cpu is a long way from production. It better go smooth for intel cause they will need it and all the cache they can add to stay competitive


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    Re: Intel's 45nm Up and running!

    AMD has just made major investments through the purchase of ati. Their stocks are dropping as well due to their decreased result expectations.
    By the looks of it, when the time comes for AMD to release their core2 killer Intel might already have their next step ready.
    I don't think it's a matter of beating Intel at this point for AMD, more like trying to keep up with them while making the right choices.

    We'll have to wait and see
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    Re: Intel's 45nm Up and running!

    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf2000me View Post
    Their stocks are dropping as well due to their decreased result expectations.
    While most don't realize this, stock price has no real effect on the day to day operations of the company.
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    Re: Intel's 45nm Up and running!

    Its kinda hard to believe 45nm is already on the horizon, things sure are moving quick nowadays but I think things would be pretty boring otherwise.

    2007 is definitely looking to be the year of process shrinks for everybody, must be allot of retooling going on at fabs.

    Ryan, did you get any word on when we might be seeing ES's?
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    Re: Intel's 45nm Up and running!

    Quote Originally Posted by _dangtx_ View Post
    i hope it folds like a monster and yep,interesting to see new tech. now,amd ya better catch up somehow
    dan
    I am not a 'folder', but as I understand it the GPUs of today fold a lot faster than any CPU.

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