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    Re: Iran: It's getting serious (merged)

    But not to worry. The House Democrats show their support Enmore:

    http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...cle=1&catnum=0

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    Re: Iran: It's getting serious (merged)

    Quote Originally Posted by jimzinsocal View Post
    But not to worry. The House Democrats show their support Enmore:

    http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...cle=1&catnum=0
    Jimmy Carter Redux

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enmore View Post
    Jimmy Carter Redux
    And all it was is "going on the record". But I guess her refusal to entertain the "motion" was pretty self serving. Shed hate to visit the ME and not
    sell herself as "everyone's buddy"

    http://www.examiner.com/a-649347~Rep...d=rss-Politics

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    Quote Originally Posted by /\/\adGamer View Post
    Even tho I feel it will make gas prices go sky high in the west I believe a naval Blockade of Iran is in order.
    That really wouldn't affect our prices by itself. Rather, subsequent reactions by Iran in attacking other states' oil resources or the other states' reactions by raising their prices would. Such a blockade would very likely provoke Iran itself.

    Quote Originally Posted by Enmore View Post
    Well you sure find out who your friends are when it really matters don't you?



    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle1593988.ece

    So much for our 'European Partners' and the wonderful EU

    Never mind, we still have the United Nations to save the day:



    http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?NewsID=1088068



    http://www.asiantribune.com/index.php?q=node/5068

    The usual UN fudge in other words. I think we need to remind ourselves here that the British sailors & marines were operating under UN mandate in the first place.

    Maybe the Russians didn't get the memo about the cold war being over. Next time they want the Royal Navy to rescue one of their submarine crews we might not be so keen to help.
    Quote Originally Posted by jimzinsocal View Post
    But not to worry. The House Democrats show their support Enmore:

    http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...cle=1&catnum=0
    Such things happen when you demonstrate yourself to be weak, hypocritical, and untrustworthy, as Bush & Friends have done. There is no incentive for countries to cooperate with us but many incentives in not. Likewise the Democrats gain little from siding with Bush at this juncture while they stand to gain quite a bit if they oppose him. This government has squandered much of the good will left in the world for the United States, and now we reap what they have sewn. Until we can demonstrate ourselves to be worthy of support once again, these sorts of things will continue to happen and will occur more frequently.
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    Do you really think it makes a difference who sits in the Whitehouse?
    Arent you assigning some sort of logical reasoning to folks who have yet to demonstrate any?
    Was there some sort of acceptable "logic" in the kidnappings that led to the recent war in Lebanon?
    Last edited by jimzinsocal; 03-31-2007 at 02:14 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimzinsocal View Post
    Do you really think it makes a difference who sits in the Whitehouse?
    Yes, it does.

    Arent you assigning some sort of logical reasoning to folks who have yet to demonstrate any?
    Yes, I am. Whether or not we agree with their rationale is one thing, but the people in charge over in Russia, China, the EU, Japan, and other countries are playing a game of chance under the impression that the odds are slightly in their favor.
    Promote then, as an object of primary importance, institutions for the general diffusion of knowledge. In proportion as the structure of a government gives force to public opinion, it is essential that public opinion should be enlightened.

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    http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/...ors/index.html

    Beckett: Britain, Iran discussing sailors
    POSTED: 10:38 a.m. EDT, March 31, 2007

    Story Highlights
    NEW: Britain's foreign secretary says UK has written to Iran over sailors
    The 15 British sailors have been held by Iran since March 23
    A senior Iranian diplomat says the sailors could face trial
    Britain denies Iran's claims the crew were in its waters when they were seized



    TEHRAN, Iran (CNN) -- British Foreign Secretary Margaret Beckett says Britain has written to Iran to seek a peaceful resolution to the standoff over 15 sailors and marines, now held for nine days.

    "We have made our response and now we are beginning to discuss. As you may know it's a holiday period in Iran and that is perhaps not too helpful," said Beckett, speaking to reporters at the European Union foreign ministers' meeting in Germany.

    The contents of the diplomatic notes have not been disclosed.

    "The message I want to send is that everyone regrets that this position has arisen. What we want is a way out of it, we want it peacefully and we want it as soon as possible. we would like to be told where our personnel are, we would like to be given access to them."

    Fifteen British sailors and marines have been detained in an undisclosed location in Iran since March 23. Iran says they "trespassed" into Iranian territorial waters in the Gulf. (Watch brother and friends tell of fears for sailor Video)

    Iran's ambassador to Moscow said on Russian TV Iran had started a legal process to determine the guilt or innocence of the detained.

    If they are not guilty, they will be freed, he said.

    "But the legal process is going on and has to be completed and if they are found guilty they will face the punishment," he said.

    Ambassador Gholam-Reza Ansari -- speaking to the Russian TV news channel Vesti-24 -- also hinted that there could be diplomatic settlement, according to the Islamic Republic News Agency in Iran.

    "If the UK government admits its mistake and apologizes to Iran for its naval personnel's trespassing of Iranian territorial waters, the issue can be easily settled."

    EU officials meeting in Germany -- already dealing with the conflict over Iran's nuclear aspirations -- said they wanted to resolve the crisis.

    "Of course, we're standing shoulder to shoulder with the United Kingdom," German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier told reporters.

    Steinmeier said ministers had given EU security and foreign affairs chief Javier Solana a "brief" to use his office to help secure the release of the sailors.

    Steinmeier said a "constructive approach" is needed from the Iranians, not only on nuclear issues but on "releasing the detained 15 marines and sailors."

    He indicated that he was hoping that there would have been progress between Britain and Iran in bilateral efforts overnight but that did not happen.

    Solana, sitting next to Steinmeier, said his office has had contacts with Iranian officials, but he had not talked with the Iranian leaders about the British detainees and the nuclear issue. He said he hoped there would be positive developments to report in the coming days.

    Steinmeier was asked to react to the prospects of legal proceedings such as a trial. He said "a solution has to be sought" before a trial and sentencing -- "which is what could happen with them."

    Third letter released

    On Friday, Iran released a third letter purportedly written by detained British sailor Faye Turney, in which she claims to have been "sacrificed" by British and U.S. policies and urges both countries to withdraw their troops from Iraq. (Full story)

    The letter, the authenticity of which cannot be independently determine by CNN, follows two previous letters said to be written by Turney and released separately this week. (Watch Turney say what happened when she was captured Video)

    Friday's letter was released just hours after Turney appeared with two other Britons in new video aired by Arabic language network Al Alam. (Text of letters)

    In the video, one the 15 detained service personnel held in Iran for the past week confessed to "entering your waters without permission."

    "On the 23rd of March 2007 in Iranian waters we trespassed without permission," said Nathan Thomas Summers. The third detainee in the video has not been identified. (Watch detained British sailor make his 'confession' Video)

    Summers said the Britons were being treated well, as did the Turney letter.
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    Re: Iran: It's getting serious (merged)

    Beginning to sound like its more about UN actions [the peaceful solution] and not who is in the Whitehouse

    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...MPLATE=DEFAULT

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    From the alternate universe that exists between Almanutjob's ears today

    TEHRAN, Iran (Map, News) - Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad insisted Saturday that 15 captured British sailors trespassed in Iranian waters and called world powers "arrogant" for refusing to apologize, the country's official news agency reported.

    "The British occupier forces did trespass our waters. Our border guards detained them with skill and bravery. But arrogant powers, because of their arrogant and selfish spirit, are claiming otherwise," IRNA quoted Ahmadinejad as saying during a speech in the southeastern city of Andinmeshk.


    ^^Skill and bravery. What a test. Pull up when they are climbing down a ladder.
    Backtrack on gps location.

    here.

    http://letectvi.wz.cz/usa/b52/b52_7.jpg

    My finger is on the button. Dont make me bring back Geo Patton Jr again!!
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    England's Sun newspaper has information about the Iranian kidnapping of British sailors and Marines that I haven't seen elsewhere; it apparently comes from Whitehall:
    Major General Yahya Rahim Safavi is the all-powerful chief of the Revolutionary Guards, the military fanatics holding our Royal Navy heroes. Intelligence sources believe the kidnapping of 14 men and one woman last week could be Safavi’s revenge for a series of blows recently inflicted on him by the West.
    His Guards train and fund Shiite Muslim insurgents to kill British and US soldiers in Iraq.
    But Safavi’s evil campaign received a setback in December, when a UN resolution froze all his foreign assets over his role in Iran’s quest for a nuclear arsenal.
    Then in January US special forces arrested five of his top lieutenants in Iraq. And last month one of his key intelligence colonels defected.
    Furious Safavi — an ally of hardline President Mahmood Ahmadinejad — is keeping the hostages at a Guards barracks in Tehran, while coordinating the propaganda broadcasts, and refusing to give anyone else access.
    A Whitehall source said yesterday: “The Iranian Foreign Ministry is unable to answer any of our ambassador’s questions about the captives because they simply don’t know themselves. It shows who’s running the show.”
    I believe there were hints early on in the hostage crisis that Iran wanted to exchange the British sailors and marines for the Iranian intelligence officers who were captured in Iraq. If so, that would be consistent with the Sun's information.
    UPDATE: From today's Telegraph>
    US officials today ruled out a deal to exchange the 15 sailors for five Iranians held by US forces in Iraq. Reports that such a swap could be the key to ending the hostages' ordeal were wrong, said US State department spokesman Sean McCormack. The five in the abortive swap were believed to be members of Iran's Revolutionary Guard seized in Irbil, Iraq, in January.

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    http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/...ors/index.html

    President Bush has called for the release of 15 British sailors and marines held by Iran, referring to them as "hostages" and calling their capture "inexcusable."

    Bush calls British sailors 'hostages' in Iran
    POSTED: 6:07 p.m. EDT, March 31, 2007

    Story Highlights
    NEW: "The Iranians must give back the hostages," president says
    NEW: Bush calls detention of Britons "inexcusable behavior"
    NEW: President says sailors were taken from Iraqi waters
    • Iranian president: Quick UK apology would have resolved crisis

    CAMP DAVID, Maryland (CNN) -- President Bush on Saturday called Iran's detention of 15 British sailors and marines "inexcusable behavior" and called for their release, referring to them as "hostages."

    "The Iranians took these people out of Iraqi water," said Bush, speaking at Camp David with Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva. "And it's inexcusable behavior."

    The 15 have been detained in an undisclosed location in Iran since March 23. Iran claims they "trespassed" into Iranian territorial waters. Britain denies the claim.

    The U.S. government had been notably quiet on the subject from the beginning, but Bush voiced strong opinions Saturday.

    "The Iranians must give back the hostages," he said. "They were innocent. They were doing nothing wrong. And they were summarily plucked out of water."

    Lula da Silva did not address the British issue, but said Brazil has no political issues with Iran and considers Tehran an important trading partner.

    Also Saturday, an Iranian official said his country had started a legal process to determine the guilt or innocence of the detainees.

    If they are not guilty, they will be freed, said Ambassador Gholam-Reza Ansari, who is in Russia.

    "But the legal process is going on and has to be completed, and if they are found guilty, they will face the punishment," he said on Russian TV. (Watch Iranian ambassador call British sailors 'invaders' Video)

    Ansari -- speaking to the TV news channel Vesti-24 -- also hinted that there could be a diplomatic settlement, according to the Islamic Republic News Agency in Iran.

    "If the UK government admits its mistake and apologizes to Iran for its naval personnel's trespassing of Iranian territorial waters, the issue can be easily settled."

    Iran's president called Britain "arrogant" Saturday for not apologizing, media in Iran reported.

    President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad -- in remarks carried by state radio and reported by the state-run Islamic Republic News Agency -- said, "The occupying British forces entered our waters, and our border guards, with courage and alertness, arrested them."

    Instead of issuing any regret or displaying any shame, Britain postured, he said, issuing declarations and making speeches.

    "These arrogants, due to their arrogant mentality and selfishness, instead of apologizing, they acted as if we owe them," he said.

    Ahmadinejad also took a wider swipe at Britain and other Western nations.

    "In the last 300 years, the arrogant powers have been stealing from other nations. They have enslaved the people of other nations," he said.

    He said that after World War II, the Western countries "declared themselves the winners and created international organizations in order to continue their domination over the rest of the world."

    "The arrogant powers unfortunately today are openly breaking the laws that those international organizations they themselves founded and created," Ahmadinejad said, according to IRNA.

    British Foreign Secretary Margaret Beckett said Saturday that Britain has written to Iran to seek a peaceful resolution to the standoff.

    "We have made our response, and now we are beginning to discuss. As you may know, it's a holiday period in Iran, and that is perhaps not too helpful," said Beckett, speaking to reporters at the European Union foreign ministers' meeting in Germany.

    The contents of the diplomatic notes passed between the two countries have not been disclosed.

    "The message I want to send is that everyone regrets that this position has arisen. What we want is a way out of it, we want it peacefully, and we want it as soon as possible. We would like to be told where our personnel are; we would like to be given access to them," Beckett said.

    The 15 British sailors and marines have been detained in an undisclosed location in Iran since March 23. (Watch brother and friends tell of fears for sailor Video)

    EU officials meeting in Germany -- already dealing with the conflict over Iran's nuclear aspirations -- said they wanted to resolve the crisis.

    "Of course, we're standing shoulder-to-shoulder with the United Kingdom," German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier told reporters.

    Steinmeier said ministers had given EU security and foreign affairs chief Javier Solana a brief to use his office to help secure the release of the sailors...
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    Right. Cant wait for the detail. Reminds me of the mindless education system....pump up the ego.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...01/wiran01.xml


    And this. This makes sense. Like a kidnapper complaining about the suitcase the ransom is in

    By Edmund Blair
    TEHRAN (Reuters) - London has mishandled the aftermath of the detention of British naval personnel in the Gulf, Iran's president said on Saturday after Britain expressed concern at Iranian "sabre-rattling".
    Iran's ambassador to Moscow said the 15 Britons captured eight days ago could face punishment if found guilty of illegally entering the Islamic Republic's territorial waters. Britain insists the sailors were seized in Iraqi waters.
    Suggesting the diplomatic standoff was not near a solution, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad underlined Iranian displeasure that Britain had turned to the Security Council and the European Union for support over the detentions.
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    "After the arrest of these people, the British government, instead of apologizing and expressing regret, over the action taken, started to claim that we are in their debt and shouted in different international councils," Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was quoted as saying by state radio.
    "But this is not the legal and logical way for this issue," he said in a speech to a rally in Khuzestan, a province on the Iraqi border area where the Britons were seized.
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    http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/...ors/index.html

    Iranians protest outside British embassy
    POSTED: 12:02 p.m. EDT, April 1, 2007

    Story Highlights
    Hundreds of protesters gather outside the UK embassy in Tehran
    "The Iranians must give back the hostages," U.S. president says
    Bush calls detention of Britons "inexcusable behavior"
    U.S. president says sailors were taken from Iraqi waters



    TEHRAN, Iran
    (CNN) -- Hundreds of Iranian students crowded outside the British Embassy in Tehran on Sunday, setting off firecrackers and hurling projectiles toward the compound, an embassy spokesman said.

    No one was injured and there was no damage in the protest, which continued into the late afternoon, the spokesman said.

    The students are protesting the alleged trespass of 15 British marines and sailors into Iranian waters on March 23.

    Britain and Iraq say the Britons were well inside Iraqi waters, and London is demanding the release of the 15 detainees.

    Iran has not allowed British ambassadors access to the Britons, who are being held at an undisclosed location in Iran.

    Video from earlier in the day showed Iranians of all ages crowded around the embassy while Iranian forces maintained a cordon around the peaceful crowd, which chanted and waved flags...
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    Iran TV says it will broadcast "confessions" of two British sailors saying they were detained inside Iranian waters, Reuters reports
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