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    Re: Scientists -vs- celebrities on Global Warming

    The thread topic is 'somewhat' misleading since it is actually quite the opposite. Most scientists actually agree with the 'celeb side' rather than the 'sun side'. And, yes, the sun does have a great effect on global warming but the general consensus (among scientists) is that more of it is really 'man made'.
    There are also a few scientists who claim that HI-virus doesn't cause AIDS, so what. Whatever sells books. There's always a market for selling a different opinion, doesn't matter if it is wrong. It's not like the current government doesn't mind backing its policies with bad or simply false intel.

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    Re: Scientists -vs- celebrities on Global Warming

    Quote Originally Posted by Pehu View Post
    The thread topic is 'somewhat' misleading since it is actually quite the opposite. Most scientists actually agree with the 'celeb side' rather than the 'sun side'. And, yes, the sun does have a great effect on global warming but the general consensus (among scientists) is that more of it is really 'man made'.
    There are also a few scientists who claim that HI-virus doesn't cause AIDS, so what. Whatever sells books. There's always a market for selling a different opinion, doesn't matter if it is wrong. It's not like the current government doesn't mind backing its policies with bad or simply false intel.
    +1

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    Re: Scientists -vs- celebrities on Global Warming

    Quote Originally Posted by darkknight View Post
    Now you are off your rocker imho; In the links YOU posted I found the following statements that counter the opinion you are trying to support
    No I'm not! I'm just being courteous to you, by providing articles for your reading pleasure, that appear to take the position you seem to be exposing. Certainly a better scietific reference than PBS, Nightline, Union of Concerned Scientists' (who aren't) etc. etc. Presuming climate is changing and there is nothing we can do about it, but rather than tell the truth, they want to point the finger at someone else, the evil AmeriKa, evil Bush, and evil Suv's.


    This needs to be a straight scientific -to- scientific debate, w/o celebrities, politicians, & enviro-wackos.

    IE: No super hurricane season, no pandemic bird flu, no cure for aids (but it is preventable) or any other 'cause de jour' you care to name.

    Now for another view, watch this. Global Warming a hoax?
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    Re: Scientists -vs- celebrities on Global Warming

    Hmm, howabout the view that the government is supressing the scientists who are providing global warming data?

    We will just wait and see

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    Re: Scientists -vs- celebrities on Global Warming

    Quote Originally Posted by Pehu View Post
    The thread topic is 'somewhat' misleading since it is actually quite the opposite. Most scientists actually agree with the 'celeb side' rather than the 'sun side'.
    Misleading? Not really; just my brand of sarcastic humor. And no they don't. That's the "media's" position, research for yourself.

    You'll learn why global warming alarmist & Why Kyoto is a farce

    Pro Global Warming:
    Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC)http://www.ipcc.ch/about/about.htm :

    Recognizing the problem of potential global climate change, the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) and the United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP) established the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) in 1988. It is open to all members of the UN and WMO.

    Article:
    Bad News for Global Warming Alarmists
    http://www.dailytech.com/Bad+News+fo...rticle5914.htm
    Daily Tech by Michael Asher

    Researchers are finding more and more evidence of natural warming events in the earth's past, events that were far more rapid and dramatic than first thought. Several scientists, disgusted with the media's refusal to carry their mesage accurately, have begun writing letters and books.

    Even the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, which has long been the most vocal supporter of climate alarmism, has finished its Fourth Assessment report, which lowers worst case estimates sharply, and cuts in half long-term predictions for sea level rise.

    Recently, Weather Channel host Heidi Cullen made a strong bid to silence the opposition, calling for the removal of AMS certification for meteorologists who challenged the belief in catastrophic human-induced global warming.

    In it, she compared global warming denial to "going on air and saying that hurricanes rotate clockwise," apparently herself unaware that in the southern hemisphere hurricanes do indeed rotate in this direction.

    Cullen's statement immediately provoked outrage from meteorologists around the nation, with one of them angrily proclaiming, "I don't know a single meteorologist who buys into the man-made global warming hype."




    So now you understand why Cow 'emissions' more damaging to the planet than CO2 from cars
    we must all become vegetarians, get rid of cars (ala AlGore), give all our money to 'developing' nations, become a one world utopian-socialist society, and.............. oh yea, Bush is evil!
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    Global Warming: The Complete Briefing (Paperback) AMAZON.com by John Houghton "The phrase 'global warming' has become familiar to many people as one of the important environmental issues of our day..."

    Global Warming is the new religion for the Godless crowd, because the Party Faithful needed something to believe in. After Communism became a ticket to long-term poverty and saving Social Security and Medicare required compromises, Global Warming became the Cause Célèbre of the Effétè Elitè.
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    Re: Scientists -vs- celebrities on Global Warming

    Quote Originally Posted by Pehu View Post
    The thread topic is 'somewhat' misleading since it is actually quite the opposite. Most scientists actually agree with the 'celeb side'
    Give you another example. Ted Danson who played the skirt-chasing alcoholic bartender on the tv show Cheers, is now an environmentalist.

    He became an environmentalist in 1986 & started the American Oceans Campaign when while sailboating off Malibu, he noticed trash floating.

    Does Ted Danson have any specific degrees, special education, or training that qualify him as an environmentalist? NO! but celebs have instant public access by going on any one of the zillion entertainment news shows. An access regular people Do Not have.

    So a dimwit singer like K.T. Tunstall can say, “If water levels continue to rise at this rate, my house in New York will be underwater, and I’ll have to get a gondola to get around. It’s frightening." “Things like not leaving your phone charger in the wall are so simple.”
    makes me want to
    (but I like her cause she likes horsies)
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    Re: Scientists -vs- celebrities on Global Warming

    Quote Originally Posted by uncleel View Post
    No I'm not! I'm just being courteous to you, by providing articles for your reading pleasure, that appear to take the position you seem to be exposing. Certainly a better scietific reference than PBS, Nightline, Union of Concerned Scientists' (who aren't) etc. etc. Presuming climate is changing and there is nothing we can do about it, but rather than tell the truth, they want to point the finger at someone else, the evil AmeriKa, evil Bush, and evil Suv's.


    This needs to be a straight scientific -to- scientific debate, w/o celebrities, politicians, & enviro-wackos.

    IE: No super hurricane season, no pandemic bird flu, no cure for aids (but it is preventable) or any other 'cause de jour' you care to name.

    Now for another view, watch this. Global Warming a hoax?
    When will you learn..I actually check out your links. I repeatedly find evidence to counter your suppositions within your links. But you never counter those...wonder why..
    Any way those sites you berated me for I stated when I posted them that I was not offering them as evidence.
    For your latest post to me...I have this:
    PIRATES!!!!!! Average global temp change vs number of PIRATES!
    That is yours! you made it and you are trying to bump your hits! It's the same sense of humor IMHO!
    Is that what this is all about?
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    Re: Scientists -vs- celebrities on Global Warming

    Quote Originally Posted by uncleel View Post
    I trust celebrities who believe in global warming, and not Scientists

    Are you insane. The scientific community as a whole agrees with the celebrities who believe the activities are caused by man. You can believe the two nobody's being promoted by drudge - but most of science believes it is man made. And didn't it recently come out that the white house repressed documents proving global warming was being facilitated by humans?

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    Re: Scientists -vs- celebrities on Global Warming

    Quote Originally Posted by uncleel View Post
    Misleading? Not really; just my brand of sarcastic humor. And no they don't. That's the "media's" position, research for yourself.
    Like some people have put it: Put down the pipe and get ready for the IPCC report officially released this Friday. You're in for a 'surprise'. You're just a victim of government propaganda, don't feel bad about it, but that's just the way it is.

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    Re: Scientists -vs- celebrities on Global Warming

    Quote Originally Posted by Computerwiz View Post
    Are you insane. The scientific community as a whole agrees with the celebrities who believe the activities are caused by man. You can believe the two nobody's being promoted by drudge - but most of science believes it is man made. And didn't it recently come out that the white house repressed documents proving global warming was being facilitated by humans?
    Yes, and as we know scientists have never been wrong about anything before right? I'd bet money that this global warming we're seeing has very little to do with fossil fuels and a lot more to do with Earth's natural warming and cooling cycles.

    This doesn't mean I think we should just keep on building coal fired power plants and cutting down all the rainforest's. The scientific community needs to find solutions to the problem they believe exists. It does absolutely NO good at all for them to claim fossil fuels are going to be the cause of our ultimate demise but then offer no real solutions or alternatives at all.

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    Re: Scientists -vs- celebrities on Global Warming

    Quote Originally Posted by kbohip View Post
    Yes, and as we know scientists have never been wrong about anything before right? I'd bet money that this global warming we're seeing has very little to do with fossil fuels and a lot more to do with Earth's natural warming and cooling cycles.

    This doesn't mean I think we should just keep on building coal fired power plants and cutting down all the rainforest's. The scientific community needs to find solutions to the problem they believe exists. It does absolutely NO good at all for them to claim fossil fuels are going to be the cause of our ultimate demise but then offer no real solutions or alternatives at all.
    They have and are; the problem is that businesses, governments, and people don't want to "spend money" to solve the situation. What a crazy idea to be more concerned with the health and future of not just humanity but the entire planet instead of pieces of cotton, random bits of metal, or imaginary numbers. (Not directed at you, kbo.)
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    Re: Scientists -vs- celebrities on Global Warming

    Quote Originally Posted by kbohip View Post
    Yes, and as we know scientists have never been wrong about anything before right? I'd bet money that this global warming we're seeing has very little to do with fossil fuels and a lot more to do with Earth's natural warming and cooling cycles.
    Why assume they're wrong, I assume they have well documented research to back up there claims, and it's ludicrous to doubt that. How would your theory be more reputable then the scientific communities.. Im going to trust them.

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    Re: Scientists -vs- celebrities on Global Warming

    Quote Originally Posted by Computerwiz View Post
    Are you insane.The scientific community as a whole agrees with the celebrities
    • Things like not leaving your phone charger in the wall?
    • That gondola rides frightening?
    • Do you like horsies too?
    • Did I bad mouth you?



    I wish you knuckleheads would stay on topic & stop playing your kiddie games of gotcha.
    I forgive you for not offering any substantiation to your position, what ever it me be.
    But that might be the root cause of why you and your kind name call. You don't have any.





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    Re: Scientists -vs- celebrities on Global Warming

    Quote Originally Posted by uncleel View Post
    • Things like not leaving your phone charger in the wall?
    • That gondola rides frightening?
    • Do you like horsies too?
    • Did I bad mouth you?

    So I take it you are against any form of energy saving? Yeah, there is plenty of energy and energy isn't a global problem causing many armed conflicts, no. Energy is free or what?
    I find gondola rides frightening if it replaces my car to go to work yes.



    Quote Originally Posted by uncleel View Post

    I wish you knuckleheads would stay on topic & stop playing your kiddie games of gotcha.
    I forgive you for not offering any substantiation to your position, what ever it me be.
    But that might be the root cause of why you and your kind name call. You don't have any.
    Actually I think it's much more a long shot to be assuming we humans have nothing to do with it. Abuse of natural resources and pollution are a reality. If we want to improve our own human natural habitats, regardless of influence on climate change, we will need to do something about this pollution. Public health is a factor that needs considering anyway. Oil dependability is another.

    The vast majority of scientists, globally, are swearing by human involvement in climate change, it's you who needs spindoctoring to find substantiation to your position.

    You're complaining about name calling while using "knuckleheads" in the same sentence. Don't you think that sounds pretty absurd?
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