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    Re: The Great Global Warming Swindle

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutchcedar View Post
    On the latest Gallup poll where folks were asked what things are serious problems... neither global warming nor climate change were mentioned.

    : poof : and its gone. Another non-problem on its way to a solution.
    Quote Originally Posted by SteveW View Post
    ^^^ I guess The Goracle bilked enough cash to end his series of Thermogeddon World Tours...
    Quote Originally Posted by SteveW View Post
    Is the earth warming? Maybe. How much? Who knows...... Has it warmed before? Many times.
    Quote Originally Posted by Spin-Fu View Post


    Yeah Breitbart posted that nonsense. The Gallup poll was asking about important issue for the the 2018 midterms and all of trumps meddling from recent memory won. Hardly meaningful to anyone sane.
    Quote Originally Posted by 461 ButtHurt Boulevard View Post


    Seems you didn't read my response to yours and had the need to make something up. Try again. The responses were real, but about a short term event called mdterm elections.
    Quote Originally Posted by Trump Supporter View Post


    Omg2xsover.
    Trump policies will reverse the obama trends.

    Meanwhile, still waiting for a study that states climate change is not real.

    Even trumps epa director reverse his stance and agrees.
    So, more droughts in californication. Twisters in Massachusetts. Manic storms across the country. Glacier dumps. And yes, in spite of the last remaining denier watts, sat readings that show continued global temperature increases.

    Cue the snowball in winter argument.

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    Re: The Great Global Warming Swindle

    Quote Originally Posted by otoc View Post
    Omg2xsover.
    Trump policies will reverse the obama trends.

    Meanwhile, still waiting for a study that states climate change is not real.

    Even trumps epa director reverse his stance and agrees.
    So, more droughts in californication. Twisters in Massachusetts. Manic storms across the country. Glacier dumps. And yes, in spite of the last remaining denier watts, sat readings that show continued global temperature increases.

    Cue the snowball in winter argument.
    Many people don’t need a complex scientific study to recognize the smell of cow poop and big city homeless encampments... All the things you described aren’t new or more frequent than ever before. Globalistic fantasy designed to financially destroy the United States... Ask your socialist/communist Globalist Pal Georgey Boy Soros... Nitwitt...
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    Re: The Great Global Warming Swindle

    Quote Originally Posted by tucker View Post
    Many people don’t need a complex scientific study to recognize the smell of cow poop and big city homeless encampments... All the things you described aren’t new or more frequent than ever before. Globalistic fantasy designed to financially destroy the United States... Ask your socialist/communist Globalist Pal Georgey Boy Soros... Nitwitt...
    How can one rebut such rants?

    They don't even appear on the close to 200 arguments used by others...
    https://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php

    Congrats for The Looney Rant post of the day at TLR.
    Thomas Jefferson to John Page Fairfeilds Dec: 25. 1762.
    ... But the old-fellows say we must read to gain knowledge; and gain knowledge to make us happy and be admired. Mere jargon! Is there any such thing as happiness in this world? No: And as for admiration I am sure the man who powders most, parfumes most, embroiders most, and talks most nonsense, is most admired.

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    Re: The Great Global Warming Swindle

    Quote Originally Posted by otoc View Post
    How can one rebut such rants?

    They don't even appear on the close to 200 arguments used by others...
    https://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php

    Congrats for The Looney Rant post of the day at TLR.
    There ya go tucker, if your opinion ain't verified with an internet link, its baseless. Don't think for yourself... link!!!


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    Re: The Great Global Warming Swindle

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutchcedar View Post
    There ya go tucker, if your opinion ain't verified with an internet link, its baseless. Don't think for yourself... link!!!

    You guys have proven you don't think, nor do you read posts other than to play the victim or troll card. On the other hand, I see you once again either have to lie, or are too freaking knocked up on the troll kkkoolaid to see what tucker posted was actually looney.

    Kudos on the forum name change from The Lighting Round to The Looney Rant!! Great job!
    Thomas Jefferson to John Page Fairfeilds Dec: 25. 1762.
    ... But the old-fellows say we must read to gain knowledge; and gain knowledge to make us happy and be admired. Mere jargon! Is there any such thing as happiness in this world? No: And as for admiration I am sure the man who powders most, parfumes most, embroiders most, and talks most nonsense, is most admired.

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    Re: The Great Global Warming Swindle

    Quote Originally Posted by otoc View Post
    You guys have proven you don't think, nor do you read posts other than to play the victim or troll card. On the other hand, I see you once again either have to lie, or are too freaking knocked up on the troll kkkoolaid to see what tucker posted was actually looney.

    Kudos on the forum name change from The Lighting Round to The Looney Rant!! Great job!
    Bulldung. He described common sense [something you never seem to grasp] and you rebutted with there not being a like opinion on your internet link. All you do is find opinions on the internet that match your agenda and expect others to do the same or they're trolls.

    Idiot.

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    Re: The Great Global Warming Swindle

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutchcedar View Post
    Bulldung. He described common sense [something you never seem to grasp] and you rebutted with there not being a like opinion on your internet link. All you do is find opinions on the internet that match your agenda and expect others to do the same or they're trolls.

    Idiot.
    I guess I should l check with TT before I post an opinion. Maybe I should use his signature in my check book...
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    Re: The Great Global Warming Swindle

    Quote Originally Posted by otoc View Post
    . . .

    Meanwhile, still waiting for a study that states climate change is not real.

    . . .
    And I'm still waiting for that linky dinky to an "un-adjusted" computer model from way back when the Goracle invented MMGW that accurately predicted what that climate actually did.

    So far all the members of the cult of thermogeddon have been able to do is try to adjust the recorded temp data to conform to their sh* predictions.
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    Re: The Great Global Warming Swindle

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutchcedar View Post
    Bulldung. He described common sense [something you never seem to grasp] and you rebutted with there not being a like opinion on your internet link. All you do is find opinions on the internet that match your agenda and expect others to do the same or they're trolls.

    Idiot.
    If that's how you spin it, seems like the 'idiot' part is nothing more than a projection.

    I don't mind discussion, or even opinions. It's the alternate facts around here that I've lost patience with.

    Please allow me to explain in conservative terms.
    The wisdom of Pat Moynihan

    By George F. Will
    Sunday, October 3, 2010
    On Jan. 9, 1969, Daniel Patrick Moynihan wrote a memo to President-elect Richard Nixon, on whose White House staff Moynihan was to serve. Moynihan wondered whether the disintegration of "private sub-systems of authority" presaged "the ultimate, destructive working out of the telos of liberal thought," in which case "we are moving from Locke to Hobbes." Imagine, if you can, Nixon's furrowed brow.

    Or imagine Nixon's chief of staff, Bob Haldeman, reading this from Moynihan concerning proposals by some "lady decorators" to refurbish the White House mess: "I told them as nicely but firmly as I could that this . . . was not to be an extension of the erotic longings of middle-aged corporation wives whose husbands had acquired interests elsewhere, but maintained the domestic accounts in guilty abundance."

    "Everyone," Moynihan liked to say, "is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts."
    Thomas Jefferson to John Page Fairfeilds Dec: 25. 1762.
    ... But the old-fellows say we must read to gain knowledge; and gain knowledge to make us happy and be admired. Mere jargon! Is there any such thing as happiness in this world? No: And as for admiration I am sure the man who powders most, parfumes most, embroiders most, and talks most nonsense, is most admired.

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    Re: The Great Global Warming Swindle

    ^^ hmmm... Facts and opinions ... It seems to me Radical Left opinions and editorials are often turned into facts in just a few minutes time. Facts are elusive and hard to find.

    Ole Bernie’s newest partner Ocasio-Cortez is filled with false facts...
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    Re: The Great Global Warming Swindle

    please use the Nixon diatribe sparingly nobody gives a crap.
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    Re: The Great Global Warming Swindle

    Quote Originally Posted by 1/20/2017 View Post


    If that's how you spin it, seems like the 'idiot' part is nothing more than a projection.

    I don't mind discussion, or even opinions. It's the alternate facts around here that I've lost patience with.

    Please allow me to explain in conservative terms.
    In your case, the "idiot" part is fact.


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    Re: The Great Global Warming Swindle

    Quote Originally Posted by tucker View Post
    ^^ hmmm... Facts and opinions ... It seems to me Radical Left opinions and editorials are often turned into facts in just a few minutes time. Facts are elusive and hard to find.

    Ole Bernie’s newest partner Ocasio-Cortez is filled with false facts...


    Quote Originally Posted by tucker View Post
    please use the Nixon diatribe sparingly nobody gives a crap.
    Easy dismissal on your part, and one I'm used to here in TLR by the weak minded handful.

    Once again, you are entitled to your opinion. Not to this imaginary set of alt-facts.

    That was the point of the quote I placed. Nixon had nothing to do with it beyond a basis in history.

    Let me know when you can actually open your eyes to what makes up a fact and stop politicizing science.

    https://www.climate.gov/news-feature...al-temperature


    According to the official 2016 global report from NOAA's National Centers for Environmental Information,

    [2016] marks the fifth time in the 21st century a new record high annual temperature has been set (along with 2005, 2010, 2014, and 2015) and also marks the 40th consecutive year (since 1977) that the annual temperature has been above the 20th century average. To date, all 16 years of the 21st century rank among the seventeen warmest on record (1998 is currently the eighth warmest.) The five warmest years have all occurred since 2010.

    By 2020, models project that global surface temperature will be more than 0.5°C (0.9°F) warmer than the 1986-2005 average, regardless of which carbon dioxide emissions pathway the world follows. This similarity in temperatures regardless of total emissions is a short-term phenomenon: it reflects the tremendous inertia of Earth's vast oceans. The high heat capacity of water means that ocean temperature doesn't react instantly to the increased heat being trapped by greenhouse gases. By 2030, however, the heating imbalance caused by greenhouse gases begins to overcome the oceans' thermal inertia, and projected temperature pathways begin to diverge, with unchecked carbon dioxide emissions likely leading to several additional degrees of warming by the end of the century.

    About surface temperature
    The concept of an average temperature for the entire globe may seem odd. After all, at this very moment, the highest and lowest temperatures on Earth are likely more than 100°F (55°C) apart. Temperatures vary from night to day and between seasonal extremes in the Northern and Southern Hemispheres. This means that some parts of Earth are quite cold while other parts are downright hot. To speak of the "average" temperature, then, may seem like nonsense. However, the concept of a global average temperature is convenient for detecting and tracking changes in Earth's energy budget—how much sunlight Earth absorbs minus how much it radiates to space as heat—over time.

    To calculate a global average temperature, scientists begin with temperature measurements taken at locations around the globe. Because their goal is to track changes in temperature, measurements are converted from absolute temperature readings to temperature anomalies—the difference between the observed temperature and the long-term average temperature for each location and date. Multiple independent research groups across the world perform their own analysis of the surface temperature data, and they all show a similar upward trend.


    Annual surface temperature compared to the 1981-2010 average from multiple, independent research groups. NOAA Climate.gov graph adapted from Figure 2.1a in State of the Climate in 2016.
    UAH Sat readings of the Troposphere (Spencer and Christy)


    And comments on Spencer & Christy
    More errors identified in contrarian climate scientists' temperature estimates
    A new study suggests there are remaining biases in the oft-corrected University of Alabama at Huntsville atmospheric temperature estimates
    Perhaps the darlings of the denialist community are two researchers out of Alabama (John Christy and Roy Spencer). They rose to public attention in the mid-1990s when they reportedly showed that the atmosphere was not warming and was actually cooling. It turns out they had made some pretty significant errors and when other researchers identified those errors, the new results showed a warming.

    To provide perspective, we know the Earth is warming because we can measure it. Most of the heat (93%) goes into the oceans and we have sensors measuring ocean temperatures that show this. We also know about warming because we have thermometers and other sensors all over the planet measuring the temperature at the surface or in the first few meters of air at the surface. Those temperatures are rising too. We are also seeing ice melting and sea level rising around the planet.

    So, the evidence is clear. What Christy and Spencer focus on is the temperatures measured far above the Earth’s surface in the troposphere and the stratosphere. Generally, over the past few decades these two scientists have claimed the troposphere temperatures are not rising very rapidly. This argument has been picked up to deny the reality of human caused climate change – but it has been found to be wrong.

    What kinds of errors have been made? Well first, let’s understand how these two researchers measure atmospheric temperatures. They are not using thermometers, rather they are using microwave signals from the atmosphere to deduce temperatures. The microwave sensors are on satellites which rapidly circle the planet.

    Some of the problems they have struggled with relate to satellite altitudes (they slowly fall over their lifetimes, and this orbital decay biases the readings); satellite drift (their orbits shift east-west a small amount causing an error); they errantly include stratosphere temperatures in their lower atmosphere readings; and they have incorrect temperature calibration on the satellites. It’s pretty deep stuff, but I have written about the errors multiple times here, and here for people who want a deeper dive into the details.

    It’s important to recognize that there are four other groups that make similar measurement estimates, so it’s possible to compare the temperatures of one group against another. The new paper, completed by Eric Swanson and published by the American Meteorological Society compares the results from three different groups. He focused on measurements made over the Arctic region. His comparison found two main differences amongst the three groups that suggests the errors.

    To better appreciate the issues, the satellites have instruments called Microwave Sounding Units (MSUs) or more recently, Advanced Microwave Soundings Units (AMSUs). These instruments allow reconstruction of the lower troposphere (TLT), the mid-troposphere temperature (TMT), and the lower stratosphere temperature (TLS). But the measurements are not at a specific location (like a thermometer) - they are smeared out over large spaces. As a consequence, it’s possible to have one layer of the atmosphere contaminate the results of another layer. You wouldn’t for instance, want your measurement of the troposphere (lower atmosphere) to include part of the stratosphere (above the troposphere).

    Among the key differences among the research teams are their methods to ensure this contamination is minimized. According to the recent paper, which was published in January 2017:

    At present, the UAH v6 (most recent Christy/Spencer data) results are preliminary and a fifth revision has now been released as v6beta5 (Spencer 2016). The release of the UAH version 6 products before publication is unusual, and Spencer recently stated that a manuscript has been submitted for a peer-reviewed publication. While some may find it scientifically inappropriate to utilize UAH v6b6 data before publication, these data have already been presented in testimony during congressional hearings before both the U.S. House and Senate and have also appeared on websites and in public print articles.
    The author compared the Christy/Spencer data (UAH data) with another group (the RSS group) and found that the results diverged during the 1986-1988 time period. This shift “could arise from a step change or bias in either series.” When the author compared UAH with the third group (NOAA), the difference was still evident. However, when he compared RSS to NOAA, there was hardly a difference.

    Look, measuring temperatures from satellites flying high above Earth is hard. No one doubts that. But let’s not be deluded into thinking these satellites are more accurate than thermometers (as some people suggest). Let’s also not blindly accept low-ball warming information from research teams that have long histories of revising their data. I created the image below a few years ago to show the upward revisions made by the Christy/Spencer team over time in their global troposphere temperatures.
    What about the oceans?


    This stuff is not fake, tuck. It is checked and rechecked by real scientists.
    Last edited by otoc; 07-29-2018 at 10:45 AM.
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    Re: The Great Global Warming Swindle

    Quote Originally Posted by TicToc View Post


    Easy dismissal on your part, and one I'm used to here in TLR by the weak minded handful.

    Once again, you are entitled to your opinion. Not to this imaginary set of alt-facts.

    That was the point of the quote I placed. Nixon had nothing to do with it beyond a basis in history.

    Let me know when you can actually open your eyes to what makes up a fact and stop politicizing science.

    https://www.climate.gov/news-feature...al-temperature

    UAH Sat readings of the Troposphere (Spencer and Christy)


    And comments on Spencer & Christy
    More errors identified in contrarian climate scientists' temperature estimates
    A new study suggests there are remaining biases in the oft-corrected University of Alabama at Huntsville atmospheric temperature estimates

    What about the oceans?


    This stuff is not fake, tuck. It is checked and rechecked by real scientists.
    Hmmmm.....now let's see the correlation between this crap and the dinosaurs. Interesting thought....

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    Re: The Great Global Warming Swindle

    I'm confused.. wasn't thermogeddon supposed to have killed us all already? I mean sh*t.. even a broken clock is right twice a day...
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