The Great Global Warming Thread (merged)

[otoc]

You left out his preachy new sig Dutch.

Heh. I s'pose its like a permanent declaration of victim status.

I credit you with the perseverance to get to the end of his post to catch that.

Honestly, I hadn't gotten that far.

lol, 1st in a line, so much for the repeated victim shtick. Dutch is always so sure of himself.

And obviously you don't read my posts through because you never respond to the points.

BK, preachy? No, nostalgic. I just figured with all the rants and games it was about guys having trouble holding a simple discussion with someone having a different opinion. My opinion was we all needed a reminder of what Jimz and Vihs used to stand for here in TLR, considering the OK Corral this place has become.

1. Ad Hominem
2. Ad Hominem Tu Quoque
3. Appeal to Authority
4. Appeal to Belief
5. Appeal to Common Practice
6. Appeal to Consequences of a Belief
7. Appeal to Emotion
8. Appeal to Fear
9. Appeal to Flattery
10. Appeal to Novelty
11. Appeal to Pity
12. Appeal to Popularity
13. Appeal to Ridicule
14. Appeal to Spite
15. Appeal to Tradition
16. Bandwagon
17. Begging the Question
18. Biased Sample
19. Burden of Proof
20. Circumstantial Ad Hominem
21. Composition
22. Confusing Cause and Effect
23. Division
24. False Dilemma
25. Gambler's Fallacy
26. Genetic Fallacy
27. Guilt By Association
28. Hasty Generalization
29. Ignoring A Common Cause
30. Middle Ground
31. Misleading Vividness
32. Personal Attack
33. Poisoning the Well
34. Post Hoc
35. Questionable Cause
36. Red Herring
37. Relativist Fallacy
38. Slippery Slope
39. Special Pleading
40. Spotlight
41. Straw Man
42. Two Wrongs Make A Right

Yeah dutch

alphabetical order = victim

Only in your world.

You have a great day.

[otoc]

Earlier, we were discussing the disparity of government funding for believers vs. deniers.

Follow the money...Link to the rest of the article.

a repost of this again?

So what do you believe?

That no funding for alternative energy? That no funding for farmers dealing with droughts, heat waves, freezes, or floods?

No new sats in the sky to better see whether or not there is or is not warming?

[otoc]

Let's review the frightening "facts" of this Climatology with the reality of the 5+ years after:

Since 2010 was supposedly equally as warm as 2005 and troubling, what happened to the hurricane season? Here are some inconvenient truths:

2005 had 15 hurricanes out of 31 tropical storms, 2010 had 12 out of 21- none of which were as severe as the majors of 2005.
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/2010atlan.shtml

2005 had 13 Pacific typhoons out of 23 tropical storms, 2010 had only 7 out of 14.
http://www.ask.com/wiki/2010_Pacific_typhoon_season

Also 2006,7,8, and 9 were total busts by comparison to either season. The 1950s had more major storms than the 2000s and hurricanes.
Though hurricanes Carrie and Hazel were very powerful storms (150mph+) 50 years ago, none one were a match for those of 2005 (170mph+) and we have not seen the like since in the Gulf/Atlantic.

However, MMGW induced weather is supposed to be a GLOBAL problem. After all it IS Global Warming.

It turns out that the 2005 Eastern Pacific Hurricane season was weak as well as the 2005 Pacific Typhoon season- whose storms normally well exceed their Atlantic cousins (180-195mph)- which topped out at only 125mph. The Central Pacific did have a record breaker in the 2000 decade but that was in 2006. So expecting us to buy the "global" argument for 2005 also looks like a bust. In fact, so does looking at 2010. The worst typoon season recorded was in 1964 and many were far worse than any in the 2000s. No 2005 typoon even made the top 50 worst typhoons and only 1 (Megi) checked in on this list at #12 during 2010.

http://www.articlesbase.com/weather-...0-3937206.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ricane_seasons

And for 2010?

Due to a moderate La Niña, the 2010 Atlantic hurricane season was well above-average with the most number of named storms since 2005. The 2010 Atlantic season ties with the 1995 Atlantic hurricane season and the 1887 Atlantic hurricane season for the third largest number of named storms, with 19, and it also ties with the 1969 Atlantic hurricane season and 1887 for the second largest number of hurricanes, with 12.[2] In addition, the activity in the north Atlantic in 2010 exceeded the activity in the northwest Pacific Typhoon season. The only other known time this event happened was in 2005. [3]

[kbohip]

Heh. I s'pose its like a permanent declaration of victim status.

I credit you with the perseverance to get to the end of his post to catch that.

Honestly, I hadn't gotten that far.

In fairness, I don't read his posts in this thread anymore. WAY too much quoting going on in there for me to sift through, and although I don't have anything personally against otoc, he and I are at polar opposites when it comes to MMGW...err climate change, or whatever it's being called this month. I saw his new "V6" moniker under his name so I felt compelled to see the new changes this version brought in his sig.

[SteveW]

You left out his preachy new sig Dutch.

Pretty sure I can claim credit for the new "ad hominem" drivel.....

And yes, before you ask, I am proud!

[otoc]

Pretty sure I can claim credit for the new "ad hominem" drivel.....

And yes, before you ask, I am proud!

yes proud one. Take credit for the letter "A"

[kbohip]

lol, 1st in a line, so much for the repeated victim shtick. Dutch is always so sure of himself.

And obviously you don't read my posts through because you never respond to the points.

BK, preachy? No, nostalgic. I just figured with all the rants and games it was about guys having trouble holding a simple discussion with someone having a different opinion. My opinion was we all needed a reminder of what Jimz and Vihs used to stand for here in TLR, considering the OK Corral this place has become.

Yeah dutch

alphabetical order = victim

Only in your world.

You have a great day.

Otoc, I've been posting here in TLR since day one. If anything I believe that as of the last year or two it has become more lax than I've ever seen it. Makes sense as there just isn't near as much action at PCPer as there used to be. Heh, I remember back to a time, maybe a couple of years after TLR started. Now THAT was the OK Corral! There were entire threads getting deleted with both sides of the argument claiming Vihs was wrong for deleting it at all. Tawcan got so pissed off at trying to mod TLR that he left, but not without giving me an infraction first.

Lets face it, any time you have a forum with people "debating" issues such as the hot ones we debate here, people are eventually going to start yelling and screaming at each other. I've said time and again that I have no problem with that as it's human nature. In the end the whole thing is totally pointless anyway. I have as much a chance of changing your mind to match mine on the issue of "MMGWclimatechangeglobalwarming" as you do changing mine.

[SteveW]

yes proud one. Take credit for the letter "A"

Thanks a lot idiot.

DISCLAIMER: "Calling someone an idiot when you have explained the evidence five times and they still refuse to address it, or provide counterexamples, is not an ad hominem attack, but rather a statement of fact." - otoc 2011

[otoc]

Thanks a lot idiot.

DISCLAIMER: "Calling someone an idiot when you have explained the evidence five times and they still refuse to address it, or provide counterexamples, is not an ad hominem attack, but rather a statement of fact." - otoc 2011

lol, anytime. Actually that quote came from a wikisite, and if I'm not mistaken, I haven't called anyone an idiot in a very long time. Nor have you explained anything 5 times.

[AMDScooter]

a repost of this again?

So what do you believe?

That no funding for alternative energy? That no funding for farmers dealing with droughts, heat waves, freezes, or floods?

No new sats in the sky to better see whether or not there is or is not warming?

^^^ Seems pretty clear to me. No more funding for your MMGW cult done under the guise of studying "climate change".. the two are not the same thing no matter how your cult wants to spin the nomer.

Face it.. you cultists have placed your cause above science. And now would have us believe the only ones qualified to provide useful input on MMGW are a select few within the cult's own community whom hide behind their precious "peer review" claims. Hiding and destroying data and methods:



or simply labeling dissenters:

Indeed technology and data handling capabilities have evolved and not everything was saved. So my feeble suggestion is to indeed cast aspersions on their motives and throw in some counter rhetoric. Labeling them as lazy with nothing better to do seems like a good thing to do.

Ya.. it's all about science for your "peer reviewed" realclimate team.

A few other quotables:

get rid of the Medieval Warm Period

Dear Ray, Mike and Malcolm,

Once Tim's got a diagram here we'll send that either later today or
first thing tomorrow.

I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps
to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) amd from
1961 for Keith's to hide the decline. Mike's series got the annual
land and marine values while the other two got April-Sept for NH lan
N of 20N. The latter two are real for 1999, while the estimate for 1999
for NH combined is +0.44C wrt 61-90. The Global estimate for 1999 wit
data through Oct is +0.35C cf. 0.57 for 1998.

Thanks for the comments, Ray.

Cheers

Phil

^^ I'm no "climate scientist"... thank gawd. I understand what the scientific process is.... and employing a specific data hiding “trick” to deliver the desired outcome ain't it.

[otoc]

^^^ Seems pretty clear to me. No more funding for your MMGW cult done under the guise of studying "climate change".. the two are not the same thing no matter how your cult wants to spin the nomer.

Face it.. you cultists have placed your cause above science. And now would have us believe the only ones qualified to provide useful input on MMGW are a select few within the cult's own community whom hide behind their precious "peer review" claims. Hiding and destroying data and methods:



or simply labeling dissenters:



Ya.. it's all about science for your "peer reviewed" realclimate team.

A few other quotables:





^^ I'm no "climate scientist"... thank gawd. I understand what the scientific process is.... and employing a specific data hiding “trick” to deliver the desired outcome ain't it.

What's wrong scooter, feeling ignored?

So now that the dust has settled, what did the cherry picked hacked emails actually succeed in doing? You posted the charge a million times. You believe it, no need to repeat yourself.

Here's a method to measure, you chime in anytime with a comparative list of organizations that support your opinion.

Scientific Organizations Acknowledge Human Impact

Updated: November 10, 2010.
Below is a list of scientific organizations around the world that acknowledge the global impact of rising atmospheric greenhouse gas concentrations from human activities.
While many more organizations could likely be added, the list is limited to organizations that have either issued a singular statement of their own or signed in agreement to a collective statement regarding the anthropogenic impact of rising emissions on global climate and the global biosphere.
All statements have been issued since 2001.
At present, there are 162 organizations on the list that span all continents outside of Antarctica.

• Academia Brasiliera de Ciências, Brazil
• Academia Chilena de Ciencias
• Academia das Ciencias de Lisboa
• Academia de Ciencias de la República Dominicana
• Academia de Ciencias Físicas, Matemáticas y Naturales de Venezuela
• Academia de Ciencias Medicas, Fisicas y Naturales de Guatemala
• Academia Mexicana de Ciencias,Mexico
• Academia Nacional de Ciencias de Bolivia
• Academia Nacional de Ciencias del Peru
• Academia Sinica, Taiwan, China
• Academy of Athens
• Academy of Science of Mozambique
• Academy of Science of South Africa
• Academy of Sciences of Moldova
• Academy of Sciences of the Czech Republic
• Academy of Sciences of the Islamic Republic of Iran
• Academy of Scientific Research and Technology, Egypt
• Academy of the Royal Society of New Zealand
• Académie des Sciences et Techniques du Sénégal
• Académie des Sciences, France
• Accademia Nazionale dei Lincei, Italy
• Africa Centre for Climate and Earth Systems Science
• African Academy of Sciences
• Akademi Sains Malaysia
• Albanian Academy of Sciences
• American Association for the Advancement of Science
• American Association of State Climatologists (AASC)
• American Astronomical Society
• American Chemical Society
• American Geophysical Union
• American Institute of Biological Sciences
• American Institute of Physics
• American Meteorological Society
• American Physical Society
• American Quaternary Association
• American Society for Microbiology
• American Society of Agronomy
• American Society of Civil Engineers
• American Society of Plant Biologists
• American Statistical Association
• Association of Ecosystem Research Centers
• Australian Academy of Science
• Australian Coral Reef Society
• Australian Institute of Marine Science
• Australian Marine Sciences Association
• Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society (AMOS)
• Bangladesh Academy of Sciences
• Botanical Society of America
• British Antarctic Survey
• Bulgarian Academy of Sciences
• California Academy of Sciences
• Cameroon Academy of Sciences
• Canadian Association of Physicists (CAP)
• Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences
• Canadian Geophysical Union (CGU)
• Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society (CMOS)
• Canadian Society of Soil Science (CSSS)
• Canadian Society of Zoologists (CSZ)
• Caribbean Academy of Sciences
• Center for International Forestry Research
• Chinese Academy of Sciences
• Colombian Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences
• Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation (CSIRO) (Australia)
• Consultative Group on International Agricultural Research
• Croatian Academy of Arts and Sciences
• Crop Science Society of America
• Cuban Academy of Sciences
• Delegation of the Finnish Academies of Science and Letters
• Deutsche Akademie der Naturforscher, Leopoldina, Germany
• Ecological Society of America
• Ecological Society of Australia
• European Academy of Sciences and Arts
• European Federation of Geologists
• European Geosciences Union
• European Physical Society
• European Science Foundation – Marine Board
• Federation of Australian Scientific and Technological Societies
• Geological Society of America
• Geological Society of Australia
• Geological Society, The (UK)
• Georgian Academy of Sciences
• Ghana Academy of Arts and Sciences
• Indian National Science Academy, India
• Indonesian Academy of Sciences
• Institute of Ecology and Environmental Management
• International Alliance of Research Universities
• International Arctic Science Committee
• International Association for Great Lakes Research
• International Council for Science
• International Council of Academies of Engineering and Technological Sciences
• International Research Institute for Climate and Society
• International Union for Quaternary Research
• International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics
• International Union of Pure and Applied Physics
• Islamic World Academy of Sciences
• Israel Academy of Sciences and Humanities
• Kenya National Academy of Sciences
• Korean Academy of Science and Technology
• Kosovo Academy of Sciences and Arts
• Latin American Academy of Sciences
• Latvian Academy of Sciences
• Lithuanian Academy of Sciences
• Madagascar National Academy of Arts, Letters, and Sciences
• Mauritius Academy of Science and Technology
• Met Office, UK
• Montenegrin Academy of Sciences and Arts
• National Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences, Argentina
• National Academy of Sciences of Armenia
• National Academy of Sciences of the Kyrgyz Republic
• National Academy of Sciences, Sri Lanka
• National Academy of Sciences, United States of America
• National Aeronautics and Space Administration
• National Association of State Foresters
• National Council of Engineers Australia
• National Institute of Water & Atmospheric Research, New Zealand
• National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration
• Natural England
• Natural Environment Research Council, UK
• Natural Science Collections Alliance
• Nicaraguan Academy of Sciences
• Nigerian Academy of Sciences
• Norwegian Academy of Sciences and Letters
• Oklahoma Climatological Survey
• Organization of Biological Field Stations
• Pakistan Academy of Sciences
• Palestine Academy for Science and Technology
• Romanian Academy
• Royal Academies for Science and the Arts of Belgium
• Royal Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences of Spain
• Royal Danish Academy of Sciences and Letters
• Royal Irish Academy
• Royal Meteorological Society
• Royal Netherlands Academy of Arts and Sciences
• Royal Netherlands Institute for Sea Research
• Royal Scientific Society of Jordan
• Royal Society of Canada
• Royal Society, United Kingdom
• Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences
• Russian Academy of Sciences
• Science Council of Japan
• Scientific Committee on Antarctic Research
• Scripps Institution of Oceanography
• Serbian Academy of Sciences and Arts
• Slovak Academy of Sciences
• Slovenian Academy of Sciences and Arts
• Society for Ecological Restoration International
• Society for Industrial and Applied Mathematics
• Society of American Foresters
• Society of Biology, UK
• Society of Systematic Biologists
• Soil Science Society of America
• Sudanese National Academy of Science
• Tanzania Academy of Sciences
• Turkish Academy of Sciences
• TWAS, the academy of sciences for the developing world
• Uganda National Academy of Sciences
• Union der Deutschen Akademien der Wissenschaften
• University Corporation for Atmospheric Research
• Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution
• World Forestry Congress
• Zambia Academy of Sciences
• Zimbabwe Academy of Sciences

[SteveW]

lol, anytime. 1) Actually that quote came from a wikisite, and if I'm not mistaken, I haven't called anyone an idiot in a very long time. 2) Nor have you explained anything 5 times.

1) It's a fine quote.

2) I can fix that:

MMGW is a hoax and money making scam that I will never buy into - one of the main reasons being the "Corrective Action" plans that amount to redistribution of wealth and monetary control - pure bull$h!t.

MMGW is a hoax and money making scam that I will never buy into - one of the main reasons being the "Corrective Action" plans that amount to redistribution of wealth and monetary control - pure bull$h!t.

MMGW is a hoax and money making scam that I will never buy into - one of the main reasons being the "Corrective Action" plans that amount to redistribution of wealth and monetary control - pure bull$h!t.

MMGW is a hoax and money making scam that I will never buy into - one of the main reasons being the "Corrective Action" plans that amount to redistribution of wealth and monetary control - pure bull$h!t.

MMGW is a hoax and money making scam that I will never buy into - one of the main reasons being the "Corrective Action" plans that amount to redistribution of wealth and monetary control - pure bull$h!t.

Now, having read through this, as I am sure you have, step back away from your keyboard and monitor, stand up straight, and close your eyes. Click your heels together three times and repeat these words three times in sync with your heel clicks; "Global Warming is a Scam, Al Gore is a liar, a real solution would not involve massive taxation and punish industry, it would be technology centric, and it would have a long range strategic energy plan embedded within it".

Good luck!

[otoc]

Good luck!

lol, finally some decent humor here. Thanks.

[Dutchcedar]

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[SteveW]

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