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    Quackery aside for a minute, here's a good science quiz for you

    Without cheating I got 39 of the 50 questions correct for a total score of 78%.

    It's amazing what you remember from school.

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    45/50

    I had trouble with the planets and the post office. Not my areas of expertise

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    Pretty good. I was ok on the astronomy as I used to be into that. Not too hot on the biology questions though.




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    The cult will not be pleased. Not because it's not true.. but because it is and they know it. I've held that this MMGW scam is going to set science back decades. The Goracle and realclimate crew are making it happen.

    Hansen Slammed By Top NASA Scientists/Engineers/Astronauts

    At risk is damage to the exemplary reputation of NASA, NASA’s current or former scientists and employees, and even the reputation of science itself.”

    March 28, 2012
    The Honorable Charles Bolden, Jr.
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    Dear Charlie,

    We, the undersigned, respectfully request that NASA and the Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) refrain from including unproven remarks in public releases and websites. We believe the claims by NASA and GISS, that man-made carbon dioxide is having a catastrophic impact on global climate change are not substantiated, especially when considering thousands of years of empirical data. With hundreds of well-known climate scientists and tens of thousands of other scientists publicly declaring their disbelief in the catastrophic forecasts, coming particularly from the GISS leadership, it is clear that the science is NOT settled.

    The unbridled advocacy of CO2 being the major cause of climate change is unbecoming of NASA’s history of making an objective assessment of all available scientific data prior to making decisions or public statements.

    As former NASA employees, we feel that NASA’s advocacy of an extreme position, prior to a thorough study of the possible overwhelming impact of natural climate drivers is inappropriate. We request that NASA refrain from including unproven and unsupported remarks in its future releases and websites on this subject. At risk is damage to the exemplary reputation of NASA, NASA’s current or former scientists and employees, and even the reputation of science itself.

    For additional information regarding the science behind our concern, we recommend that you contact Harrison Schmitt or Walter Cunningham, or others they can recommend to you.

    Thank you for considering this request.

    Sincerely,

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    Too many politicians caught up in the lie though. They'd have to explain why they were sucked in and they'd lose an important excuse for more taxes.

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    Mann and U.Va. still fighting to keep emails from getting released.. to the public that is. The MMGW cult's allergy to daylight is well documented already..

    Prince William climate change case takes center stage

    Now that Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli’s investigation into climate research has been tossed out of court, a similar case in Prince William County targeting the same ex-University of Virginia scientist moves into the spotlight. And this case, seeking some 12,000 emails sent and received by scientist Michael E. Mann, using the Freedom of Information Act, appears to have a far greater chance of success.

    That’s because U.Va. apparently has already given the 12,000 e-mails to Mann himself, though he left Charlottesville years ago. The American Tradition Institute, the conservative group hoping to show that climate change scientists like Mann manipulated their data, argues that U.Va. can’t give the e-mails to one person and not another. By giving the emails to Mann, the university has waived any exemptions they’re claiming to the state Freedom of Information Act, ATI says.

    You gave ‘em to him, you gotta give ‘em to us, basically. And a number of well-informed FOIA experts in Virginia say that ATI is right.


    “I would agree with that,” said Megan Rhyne, executive director of the Virginia Coalition for Open Government. “Once you turn it over in one venue, you’re deciding to give it out.”

    Kevin Goldberg, a First Amendment and FOIA lawyer in Arlington, said, “I can see that the balance is now tipped in [ATI’s] favor. Now it’s up to the University to prove they can still withhold the material.”

    But Mann thoroughly disagrees, as do his lawyers.

    “I'm a bit surprised that anyone professing to be familiar with the law would believe that [ATI’s] argument has any merit at all,” Mann said Tuesday in an e-mail. “I am not a lawyer, but I have legal experts advising me on this matter, and they say the matter is quite clear: There is no waiver where the parties have a common interest in the documents, including a shared copyright interest and a shared proprietary interest in protecting your scholarly works under the scholarly works exemption to FOIA statute. If the records were not my emails it would be a different story. Of course, the records are my emails. ATI’s argument is way off-base and, indeed, quite disingenuous.”

    So the stage is set.

    The case is scheduled for argument on April 16 in Manassas. In addition to ATI, Del. Robert Marshall (R-Prince William) is a plaintiff in the case, so all the Prince William judges recused themselves. Initially, they appointed retired Fairfax Circuit Court Judge Gaylord Finch, but he has now recused as well.

    Retired Arlington Circuit Court Judge Paul Sheridan has now been appointed. And whichever way he rules, the case will likely begin its ascent up the appeals court ladder and is poised to make law on how Virginia institutions may use FOIA to withhold from some and give to others. Not to mention create an international stink if Mann’s e-mails provide fuel for those who claim he has wrongly manipulated climate change data, an accusation for which he has previously been cleared.

    The case began quietly in January 2011, with a FOIA request to U.Va. by Marshall and ATI for e-mails to and from Mann and 39 people, involving five grant programs. Seven months later, U.Va. produced almost 1,800 e-mails, but said it was withholding another 12,000 e-mails which they argued were not public record, or were exempt under Virginia FOIA law 2.2-3705.4(4).

    ATI went to court to challenge the exemption claim. Mann, who now works at Penn State, hired his own lawyer and asked to be allowed to intervene in the case, in the event that U.Va. doesn’t adequately protect his interest in free expression.

    “You need to be able to bounce ideas off each other,” Mann said, “that aren’t always ready for prime time,” explaining why he was fighting to keep his correspondence secret.

    Finch allowed Mann into the case. And he told both sides to figure out a third party who could review the withheld documents and determine whether they met the FOIA exemption for “Data, records or information of a proprietary nature produced or collected by or for faculty or staff of public institutions of higher education.”

    But during a break in that November hearing, one of the lawyers for ATI, David Schnare, approached the lawyers for U.Va. and asked if they had already given the e-mails to Mann. According to Schnare’s brief, the lawyers avoided the question, implying “yes,” and U.Va. now admits they have provided the e-mails to their former professor.

    Schnare then cited a Virginia Attorney General’s opinion from 1983 that once a public body disseminates any record, “those records lose the exemption accorded by” FOIA. Federal case law appears to be clearer that “selective disclosure...is offensive to the purposes underlying the FOIA and intolerable as a matter of policy.”

    U.Va.’s lawyers, Richard C. Kast and Madelyn F. Wessel, responded that Schnare’s argument was “preposterous,” saying there was “no evidence...that could possibly demonstrate that the University intended to waive its statutory right not to disclose.” They noted that Mann was the author of the e-mails and not an adverse party — essentially, sharing information with a teammate as opposed to the other side.

    Rhyne, an authority on Virginia FOIA law, said, “There’s no two-tiered access [to material sought] under that exemption,” meaning the ability to withhold from some and give to others. She said, “U.Va. bungled this from the start. They kind of operated by their own rules, they didn’t respond in time to the initial request, and now they’re trying to change the rules after the barn door is open.”

    Several FOIA experts noted that the law uses the word “discretion” in almost every section granting an exemption from disclosing documents. It gives, say, a police department discretion to withhold investigative reports, but it can release them if they like.

    But all agreed that there is no discussion in the law of the “discretion” to release material to one party, and withhold it from another. Virginia case law is silent. This case could well decide it.

    Mann said in November, “This case isn’t about FOIA. It’s a partisan witch hunt.”

    But Rhyne and the courts have said that the status of the requester, and whatever your opinion on global warming, is irrelevant. It’s up to a public body to decide whether to release taxpayer-funded data. And now it’s up to the courts to decide if a public body can release that data to one side, but not the other.
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    'Gaia' scientist James Lovelock: I was 'alarmist' about climate change


    By Ian Johnston, msnbc.com

    James Lovelock, the maverick scientist who became a guru to the environmental movement with his “Gaia” theory of the Earth as a single organism, has admitted to being “alarmist” about climate change and says other environmental commentators, such as Al Gore, were too.

    Lovelock, 92, is writing a new book in which he will say climate change is still happening, but not as quickly as he once feared.

    He previously painted some of the direst visions of the effects of climate change. In 2006, in an article in the U.K.’s Independent newspaper, he wrote that “before this century is over billions of us will die and the few breeding pairs of people that survive will be in the Arctic where the climate remains tolerable.”

    However, the professor admitted in a telephone interview with msnbc.com that he now thinks he had been “extrapolating too far."
    The great climb down begins.

    http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news...te-change?lite

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    OK, got home today and notice a service truck in the yard. Mom said the guy is here changing out the meter. I said, on a new house that's only 7 years old? Well, no long story, but we just got the UN agenda-21 smart meter put in. errrr. Those climate dumb heads nailed us already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bmaverick View Post
    OK, got home today and notice a service truck in the yard. Mom said the guy is here changing out the meter. I said, on a new house that's only 7 years old? Well, no long story, but we just got the UN agenda-21 smart meter put in. errrr. Those climate dumb heads nailed us already.
    Ecotards had their way here as well, they put one on our house a few months ago... all for our own good ya know. Now they can charge us more $$$ for using energy between certain hours of the day. Guess which ones? Ya.. when ur home. Go figure.
    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


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    Quote Originally Posted by bmaverick View Post
    OK, got home today and notice a service truck in the yard. Mom said the guy is here changing out the meter. I said, on a new house that's only 7 years old? Well, no long story, but we just got the UN agenda-21 smart meter put in. errrr. Those climate dumb heads nailed us already.

    [sarcasm]
    I'm sure your neighbor, Mr. Gore has a few installed on his residence also...
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    Those smart meters in Florida are making people's bills sky rocket by at least 150% in my city. Fortunately, those were "defective" units and were "fixed" by the utility company. But across the board, the bills have gone up a bit, more-so than normal rate hikes they implement every year.

    You can thank Bush Senior for signing the agenda 21 back in 1992 (without the Senate having a say in it) and thank Clinton for making it an executive order the following year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmaverick View Post
    OK, got home today and notice a service truck in the yard. Mom said the guy is here changing out the meter. I said, on a new house that's only 7 years old? Well, no long story, but we just got the UN agenda-21 smart meter put in. errrr. Those climate dumb heads nailed us already.
    I've got one on my 40+ year old house now too. Efficiency to eliminate the need for meter readers is how it was touted. In reality it's monitoring on a minute by minute basis from a remote location. Now that they can monitor and fully profile my electrical energy useage, the next thing will be control or penalties in the billing structure for usage outside the limits set by big brother.

    Which simply means more government control over my private lifestyle. They will bang users for being home on vacation for instance and air conditioning their house during the week while home and not at work.
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    Good video. The cult has lost but they still fight transparency at every opportunity.

    ATI vs UVA (University of Virginia) re Climategate emails
    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


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    Quote Originally Posted by bmaverick View Post
    OK, got home today and notice a service truck in the yard. Mom said the guy is here changing out the meter. I said, on a new house that's only 7 years old? Well, no long story, but we just got the UN agenda-21 smart meter put in. errrr. Those climate dumb heads nailed us already.
    We've had these in Colorado Springs for years. The utilities here actually offers a program that is completely optional where you get charged more for electricity that you use on peak hours of the day, and less at off peak hours. Lol, I actually tried to opt in on it but I never heard back from them.

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    Remember the clowns who "rowed to the pole" last year to highlight global warming?

    Well the documentary about it is on TV here tonight. On the BBC predictably. It's called Rowing the Arctic and in the blurb it does actually mention it was the magnetic north pole - where it was located in 1996.

    I guess having to haul the boat over pack ice the last few miles kinda put them off dragging it 450 miles further north to where the magnetic pole is now; Let alone the 800 miles to the true north pole. That might detract from their headline grabbing point I suppose.

    They left the boat there and walked a few miles to a nearby runway where they were picked up by plane. So very green.

    Still, I will give it a watch.

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