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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargain" [Immigration Debate]

    McCain getting pounded in town hall meetings by constituents for his immigration proposals.

    http://news.yahoo.com/mccain-defends...004915369.html


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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargain" [Immigration Debate]

    ^^^We need a caption contest for that photo.

    My first submission: "I built this!" by John McCain.

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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargain" [Immigration Debate]

    Its back.

    I was reading this piece and got to wondering... if 47% of our citizens don't pay federal income tax because they're in the lower half of the income scale, how are our politicians expecting to squeeze "back taxes" out of new people who are likely to be in the lower half of the income scale? Heck, with the proper tax credits, the IRS might have to pay them money. I'd wager that IF they could collect all of the back taxes from all of the illegal immigrants, they'd be lucky to cover the costs of a week in Vail for Moochelle and the girls.

    Its pretty clear that once again we're going to end up with some cobbled together "grand bargain" that's full of fancy do nothing rhetoric and lot of hidden hose the populace junk.

    It seems as if once again, our politicians will put jobs and the economy on the back burner.

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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargain" [Immigration Debate]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutchcedar View Post
    . . .

    It seems as if once again, our politicians will put jobs and the economy on the back burner.

    Because that's hard reality they have no clue how to handle and have no more $$$ freebies to throw to keep the masses placated. Instead it's the gay immigrant assault soda agenda. Meanwhile, back at the ranch...




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    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


    -The Gipper


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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargain" [Immigration Debate]

    Marco, I really, really want to like you. But I'm getting the sense you're as full of double speak and bulldung as Barrack.

    https://www.numbersusa.com/content/n...013/rubio.html

    Another agenda that relies on distortion, misinformation and outright lies... no thanks.

    My favorite:

    The bill clearly states that DHS has five years to meet the 90% apprehension rate with "persistent" awareness, and if they don't, a Border Commission will be created. The bill also clearly states who determines whether or not DHS has met the standard - the Secretary of Homeland Security. That's right, the Secretary of Homeland Security gets to decide whether his/her department has followed the law, and if not, it forfeits control to a Border Commission.
    What could possibly go wrong?

    And if not, commission!!! Awesome.

    Imagine the IRS allowing us to conduct our own audits.

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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargain" [Immigration Debate]

    ^^^Scooter, you're posting the wrong charts trying to make it look like BO's "recovery" isn't working. I'll bet I could find charts showing people living off of the government one way or another to be skyrocketing, both in "participation" and "income".

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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargain" [Immigration Debate]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutchcedar View Post
    Marco, I really, really want to like you. But I'm getting the sense you're as full of double speak and bulldung as Barrack.

    https://www.numbersusa.com/content/n...013/rubio.html

    Another agenda that relies on distortion, misinformation and outright lies... no thanks.

    My favorite:



    What could possibly go wrong?

    And if not, commission!!! Awesome.

    Imagine the IRS allowing us to conduct our own audits.

    It makes me wonder what's changed since 5/2007 when this thread started to make things different. My guess in an additional 6 years of intensive politically correct dumb down and indoctrination.

    You're right about Marco I dumped his stock when he got involved with the Gang of whatever. I dumped Christie's stock when he did photo ops with Obama after the hurricane. I'm real close to dumping my Rand Paul stock too. I wonder who is next... I had moderately high hopes for all 3 but it looks to me like they've gone over to the dark side of Washington politics.
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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargain" [Immigration Debate]

    Quote Originally Posted by kbohip View Post
    ^^^Scooter, you're posting the wrong charts trying to make it look like BO's "recovery" isn't working. I'll bet I could find charts showing people living off of the government one way or another to be skyrocketing, both in "participation" and "income".

    Thune: Food stamp participation has increased at 10 times the rate of job creation under Obama

    Thune and Stutzman said their “Streamlining the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program Act” would eliminate waste, fraud, and abuse and close loopholes in a program that, under President Obama, has seen participation increase from 32 million to 47.8 million people and spending double to $80 billion in fiscal year 2012.

    “Since President Obama came into office, SNAP participation has increased at 10 times the rate of job creation, the annual spending on SNAP has doubled, and one in seven Americans now participates in SNAP,” Thune said in a statement.. . .

    I'm sorry... you were saying?


    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


    -The Gipper


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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargain" [Immigration Debate]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutchcedar View Post
    Marco, I really, really want to like you. But I'm getting the sense you're as full of double speak and bulldung as Barrack.
    Its ok, he might just need some water
    Imagine the IRS allowing us to conduct our own audits.
    Talk about a libertarian's wet dream eh?

    Quote Originally Posted by tucker View Post
    It makes me wonder what's changed since 5/2007 when this thread started to make things different. My guess in an additional 6 years of intensive politically correct dumb down and indoctrination.
    The faces are different but the game stays the game.

    You're right about Marco I dumped his stock when he got involved with the Gang of whatever. I dumped Christie's stock when he did photo ops with Obama after the hurricane. I'm real close to dumping my Rand Paul stock too. I wonder who is next... I had moderately high hopes for all 3 but it looks to me like they've gone over to the dark side of Washington politics.
    I love it when the big election is over and you REALLY conservative guys can get back to your ideological purity contests. We all get to watch you guys try and pretend you weren't sucking on Mitt Romney's pecker for the last year. It's high comedy.

    But to paraphrase Donald Rumsfeld, you don't go to an election with the politician you want, you go to an election with the politician you have hehe.

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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargain" [Immigration Debate]

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackDragon24 View Post
    I love it when the big election is over and you REALLY conservative guys can get back to your ideological purity contests. We all get to watch you guys try and pretend you weren't sucking on Mitt Romney's pecker for the last year. It's high comedy.

    But to paraphrase Donald Rumsfeld, you don't go to an election with the politician you want, you go to an election with the politician you have hehe.

    I retain my conservative ideological purity year around 27/7. I criticized Romney and the republican RINO leadership for the beginning of the republican primaries thru Election Day. All of the republicancandidates were losers from the very start. The RINOs keep trying to move left thinking they will out left the democrats. It just ain’t going to happen period. The only chance republicans have is moving right and staying there.

    Donald Rumsfeld never was one of my favorites and what he may or may not have said is of little consequence to me.

    Before you start talking about ideological purity you better take a good look at the democrats, the far-left and their communist Christ Child…

    I’m the designated spokesman for Goldwater conservatives, all 5 of them…
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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargain" [Immigration Debate]

    Quote Originally Posted by AMDScooter View Post

    Hope and Change! Hope and Change!!!!

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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargain" [Immigration Debate]

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackDragon24 View Post
    I love it when the big election is over and you REALLY conservative guys can get back to your ideological purity contests. We all get to watch you guys try and pretend you weren't sucking on Mitt Romney's pecker for the last year. It's high comedy.
    This is clever. A response acknowledging support for Romney and sucking a pecker is not one I'm able to do.

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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargain" [Immigration Debate]

    You wanna know a secret?

    Since the California thread got me fired up about unions...

    Democrats don't want a solution to immigration because Big Labor is against it. The AFL-CIO and all their little teet suckers under that umbrella organization are deathly afraid of cheap brown labor. Unions are the biggest Democratic special interest. Dems have dragged their feet on immigration for years. Why didn't they force immigration reform through in 2009-2011 when they had control of everything and rammed through ObamaCare and Dodd-Frank? Dems have done nothing on immigration and let Republicans get all the heat for being "anti-Hispanic" and the immigration status quo not changing.

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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargain" [Immigration Debate]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutchcedar View Post
    This is clever. A response acknowledging support for Romney and sucking a pecker is not one I'm able to do.
    They are one in the same, grasshopper

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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargain" [Immigration Debate]

    Well, well I'll bet there's a lot of pro illegal imigration republicans rethinking their positions on immigration. I imagine the republican establishment is very, very worried. I guess you could also take into account his surrender to the democrats with his renown plans for budget cuts and more spending.

    I'm thrilled with the possibility of change in a brain dead Republican Party leadership...


    RICHMOND, Va. - House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, R-Va., was stunned Tuesday, after being booted from his seat in the Republican primary by David Brat, an upstart tea party-backed economics professor.

    Brat defeated Cantor in the 7th congressional district, shocking the political establishment. While many felt Cantor would be pushed by Brat, few predicted Cantor would ultimately be toppled.

    Cantor is the second-most powerful member of the U.S. House and was seen by some as a possible successor to the House speaker.

    His loss to a political novice with little money marks a huge victory for the tea party movement, which supported Cantor just a few years ago.

    Brat had been a thorn in Cantor's side on the campaign, casting the congressman as a Washington insider who isn't conservative enough. Last month, a feisty crowd of Brat supporters booed Cantor in front of his family at a local party convention.

    Cantor was once popular in the tea party but has now become its target, with Brat leading a chorus of critics branding the incumbent as a Beltway insider who has lost touch with his conservative base at home. Cantor - who outspent Brat by at least 5-to-1, according to the most recent campaign finance reports - portrayed the challenger as too liberal for Virginia and touted his own opposition to many of President Barack Obama's policies.

    Cantor's message resonated with Ken Dawson, one of 40 people who had voted two hours after his Chesterfield County polling place opened for a light-turnout election.

    "The other guy doesn't know if he wants to be a Democrat or a Republican," the 72-year-old retiree said after casting his ballot for Cantor.

    But Joe Mullins, who emerged from the voting booth at the same location a few minutes later, said: "There needs to be a change." The engineering company employee said he has friends who tried to arrange town hall meetings with Cantor, who declined their invitations.

    Brat teaches at Randolph-Macon College, a small liberal arts school north of Richmond. He raised just more than $200,000 for his campaign, according to the most recent campaign finance reports.

    Beltway-based groups also spent heavily in the race. The American Chemistry Council, whose members include many blue chip companies, spent more than $300,000 on TV ads promoting Cantor. It's the group's only independent expenditure so far this election year. Political arms of the American College of Radiology, the National Rifle Association and the National Association of Realtors also spent money on ads to promote Cantor.

    Brat offset the cash disadvantage with endorsements from conservative activists like radio host Laura Ingraham, and with help from local tea party activists angry at Cantor.

    Brat has accused the House majority leader of being a top cheerleader for "amnesty" for immigrants in the U.S. illegally. Cantor has responded forcefully by boasting in mailers of blocking Senate plans "to give illegal aliens amnesty."

    It was a change in tone for Cantor, who has repeatedly voiced support for giving citizenship to certain immigrants brought illegally to the country as children. Cantor and House GOP leaders have advocated a step-by-step approach rather than the comprehensive bill backed by the Senate. They've made no move to bring legislation to a vote and appear increasingly unlikely to act this year.

    Cantor, a former state legislator, was elected to Congress in 2000. He became majority leader in 2011.
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    I'm a centrist too.

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