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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargain" [Immigration Debate]

    Nice.

    APNewsBreak: Perry bills feds for housing illegals

    AUSTIN, Texas – Texas Gov. Rick Perry has asked the U.S. Department of Homeland Security for nearly $350 million to cover the costs incurred detaining illegal immigrants in state prisons and county jails.

    In a letter to Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano, Perry criticized the federal government hasn't been doing enough to secure the border with Mexico, thereby allowing illegal immigrants to enter the U.S. and use taxpayer-funded resources, including prisons and jails. It's a claim the Republican governor has made many times before.

    The letter was dated Aug. 10, three days before Perry formally announced he is running for president.

    Reached after-hours Friday by phone, DHS spokesman Matthew Chandler said he wasn't in position to comment and said he could not confirm that the DHS had even received the letter.

    Perry has been criticized by some fellow conservatives as being too lenient on illegal immigration issues. Unlike fellow GOP presidential hopeful Rep. Michele Bachmann, Perry does not think the U.S. should build a wall spanning the entire Mexican border. Perry also has supported discounted tuition rates for the children of illegal immigrants at Texas universities, and he has said Arizona's tough-on-immigration law wouldn't be right for Texas.
    [ For complete coverage of politics and policy, go to Yahoo! Politics ]

    In his two-page letter to Napolitano, Perry described the formula he used to determine the costs, including $94.4 million to cover the costs incurred by county jails.

    "During tough economic times, when communities are making difficult decisions about their own budgets, Texas counties are being asked to cover more than $94.4 million in direct costs related to housing illegal immigrants while the state has been left to cover more than $254.8 million in such costs."

    He included a memo from Comptroller Susan Combs in which she supports his calculations but warns that the estimates are conservative.

    "The longstanding failure of the federal government to secure our border with Mexico continues to burden local communities and resources in Texas," Perry wrote. "Because there are not enough troops on the ground, illegal immigrants are able to penetrate the Texas border every day and use taxpayer-funded resources."

    As governor, Perry was one of the first to talk about immigration by breaking out the issue of border security, a move that has won him support from conservative Hispanics. But he angered Hispanic leaders in June by endorsing legislation that would have prohibited cities from adopting "sanctuary" rules for handling suspected immigrants.
    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargain" [Immigration Debate]

    So is the SCOAMF gonna hit up illeglas to pay "their fair share"??

    Illegal Aliens Receive $4.2 Billion in Additional Child Tax Credits

    Throughout the entire debt ceiling imbroglio, Democrats incessantly regurgitated the talking point about the need for “a balanced approach.” They were so uniform and synchronized that they sounded like the sheep in Animal Farm. Ironically, their idea of a balanced approach was singularly focused upon Oil Company and corporate tax deductions, which are negligible compared to the crushing debt. The targeted oil tax deductions would have brought in $2 billion in annual revenue, while the cancellation of the corporate jet depreciation deduction would have saved only $3 billion over 10 years!

    Well, it turns out that illegal aliens, most of which pay zero in net taxes, enjoyed $4.2 billion from the Additional Child Tax Credit (ACTC) last year. That’s more than the annual revenue from the selected oil tax deductions and corporate jet deductions combined!


    Yesterday, the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Collection released a shocking report detailing how illegal aliens are able to utilize a filing loophole to obtain billions in ACTC funds. The Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC) and ACTC (unlike the base child tax credit) are totally refundable and can award the recipient with a negative tax balance. Appropriations for the EITC in FY 2010 were $54.7 billion and $28.3 billion for the ACTC. While EITC appropriations are protected from illegals (those who don’t engage in identity theft) because they are only awarded to those who provide a valid Social Security number, the same cannot be said for the ACTC.

    Here is the punchline of the Inspector’s report:

    Many individuals who are not authorized to work in the United States, and thus not eligible to obtain a Social Security Number (SSN) for employment, earn income in the United States. The Internal Revenue Service (IRS) provides such individuals with an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number (ITIN) to facilitate their filing of tax returns. Although the law prohibits aliens residing without authorization in the United States from receiving most Federal public benefits, an increasing number of these individuals are filing tax returns claiming the Additional Child Tax Credit (ACTC), a refundable tax credit intended for working families. The payment of Federal funds through this tax benefit appears to provide an additional incentive for aliens to enter, reside, and work in the United States without authorization, which contradicts Federal law and policy to remove such incentives. […]

    Because concerns were raised by Congress, the Government Accountability Office, and the IRS regarding noncompliance with EITC requirements, a law was passed in Calendar Year 1996 to deny the EITC to individuals who file a tax return without an SSN that is valid for employment. As such, filers using an ITIN are not eligible for the EITC. The change in the law was made prior to the establishment of the ACTC. However, the same law prohibits aliens residing without authorization in the United States from receiving most Federal public benefits, with the exception of certain emergency services and programs.

    Nonetheless, IRS management’s view is that the law does not provide sufficient legal authority for the IRS to disallow the ACTC to ITIN filers. In addition, the Internal Revenue Code does not require an SSN to claim the ACTC and does not provide the IRS math error authority to deny the credit without an examination. As such, the IRS continues to pay the ACTC to ITIN filers.
    According to the latest employment data, we’ve lost 2.57 million jobs since Obama took office, even though there are 5.1 million additional people of working age in the country. Illegals are not only competing for scarce jobs; they are enjoying billions in handouts ensconced in the tax system, due to willful negligence on the part of the IRS. For most Americans, they are the most belligerent agency in the government, yet they are suddenly indolent in going after illegals. Obama wants them to clamp down on tax deductions for corporations that pay billions in taxes, while blithely allowing them to ignore billions in refundable handouts to those who shouldn’t be here in the first place.

    Talk about a balanced approach.
    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargain" [Immigration Debate]

    Since its come up again recently I figure Id bump this.
    So weve seen the President basically rewrite existing law. Setting aside the method that enables a President to insert himself into correcting legislation the claim Friday that 800,000 innocent boys and girls would be safe now stuck in my head.
    So where dis that figure come from? Not the Census folks...they dont keep that sort of info.
    But I found this from 2010.
    Id be willing to bet this is the source of the 800K number.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...sional-makeup/

    And look at the date..and read the last two paragraphs carefully.
    The number was mentioned as a reaction to Obama's high deportation figures. How do we wring the same 800K out of the info two years later?

    Members of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus said in a statement Tuesday that it is "disillusioning" to see Republicans who once supported the DREAM Act turn against it in the current climate. They expressed concern not about the number of immigrants entering the country but about the number being forced out.
    "At the current rate, another 800,000 people will be deported by the time November 2012 comes around, which does nothing to fix our immigration system and rips apart communities and families and the very fabric of our society," the statement said.


    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...#ixzz1xzsC1rAK

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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargain" [Immigration Debate]

    Government by decree! Just ignore Congress and the Courts. The Law means nothing if they don't "like" it. Have we really come to this?
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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargain" [Immigration Debate]

    Sadly yes. He HAS to go.

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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargain" [Immigration Debate]

    Did you know... if we add 800,000 workers to the unemployment rolls, we get 11.5% unemployment? That's assuming we have 8.2% unemployment now, and 12.7million unemployed. The math:

    154878048 in the current workforce
    8.2% unemployment
    = ~12.7 million workers unemployed.


    See here.

    Now add 800,000 to both the current workforce and the number of unemployed:
    155678048 / 13500000 = 11.5%.

    Why do I think they're going to recalculate that number in a new way again?

    BTW Jim... that IS you over at LI, yes?



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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargain" [Immigration Debate]

    ^^Yup..and howdy old friend!

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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargain" [Immigration Debate]

    Obama has obviously decreed himself King by executive fiat. More appropriately and accurately by executive order he has claimed the title of America’s 21st century Mao.

    Census or no census, fox news or no fox news never believe any of the numbers that come out of this regime. 800,000 is a bogus number there is easily that many in Los Angeles and Los Angeles County alone. If you don’t believe it try 3 or 4 days of sightseeing (driving) in LA and LA County. Most of the LA area looks more like Tijuana than Tijuana does.

    Disillusioned with politics as usual? You bet… I’m playing my money on NASCAR and clinging to my guns.
    Last edited by tucker; 06-17-2012 at 05:17 PM.

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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargain" [Immigration Debate]

    ^^^ Yep. Just look at the rosters of California public schools.

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    ^^ I assume no one has been to San Bernardino. It's the 2nd in the
    Nation for the poverty level per large cities and is mostly Hispanic.
    I run it everyday when school is in session. On my high school run,
    I'm the only non Hispanic on the bus that carries anywhere from
    30 to 46 kids. I have to admit, they don't give me a bad time, because
    I don't put up with it, but I have heard over the radio where other
    drivers are going through pure hell. Especially with middle school
    kids out of a school called Chavez.

    Too bad. Berdoo has always been known as a sort of lower level
    town, but many years ago it wasn't THAT bad.

    Now ? It's dangerous to walk some main streets in broad daylight.
    I really feel for the San Berdoo Police. They are overwhelmed
    many times, but again, you don't want to piss off the Berdoo Police.
    They are most adept at handling their business when they get a
    line on someone who's done bad.

    They've had a LOT of practice...

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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargain" [Immigration Debate]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutchcedar View Post
    ^^^ Yep. Just look at the rosters of California public schools.
    Our school district just last year... 40%+ English learners.

    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


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    Interesting development, the union for ICE and Border Patrol agents is speaking out against the Obama administration's immigration policy.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...reamer-policy/

    Union heads representing thousands of America's immigration agents slammed the Obama administration Thursday over a policy they claim is forcing officials to ignore the law and allowing illegal immigrants to exploit the system.

    In a startling allegation, the president of the union representing Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers claimed illegal immigrants are "taking advantage" of a new directive allowing some undocumented residents who came to the U.S. as children to stay in the country. Union boss Chris Crane said the policy ends up allowing illegal immigrants to avoid detention without any proof -- particularly so-called "dreamers," or those illegal immigrants who would benefit under the "DREAM Act" proposal, which Congress has not passed but the administration has partially implemented.

    "Prosecutorial discretion for dreamers is solely based on the individual's claims. Our orders are if an alien says they went to high school, then let them go," he said at a press conference with GOP senators. "Officers have been told that there is no burden for the alien to prove anything. ... At this point we don't even know why DHS has criteria at all, as there is no requirement or burden to prove anything on the part of the alien.

    "We believe that significant numbers of people who are not dreamers are taking advantage of this practice to avoid arrest," he said.

    Crane cited one case in which, he said, an immigrant facing criminal charges was let go under the policy. Further, he complained that officers are "under threat of losing their jobs" if they defy the policy.

    ICE didn't respond to those allegations directly but said allegations of fraud and abuse will be investigated.

    The press conference comes just days after the Federation for American Immigration Reform, an anti-illegal immigration group, released a report claiming the administration has worked for the past three-and-a-half years to undermine immigration enforcement.

    ICE, though, defended its operations Thursday evening -- noting, as it often does, that the agency is only funded to remove roughly 400,000 people a year and has to prioritize. The prioritization under this administration has been to fast-track for deportation those accused of serious criminal offenses and potentially give a reprieve to those who aren't.

    "Because the agency encounters more removable aliens than it is able to process, the agency prioritizes its resources on aliens whose removal have the greatest impact on public safety and the integrity of the immigration system," spokeswoman Gillian Christensen said in a statement. "ICE's efforts to target the agency's enforcement priorities are paying big dividends. For each of the past three fiscal years, ICE has removed more criminal aliens from the country than ever before and more than 90 percent of ICE's removals fell into one of the agency's enforcement priority categories."

    She disputed the notion that the policy impacts public safety, but she said the agency meets regularly with union representatives "to discuss our goal of ensuring public safety by focusing on the removal of individuals who meet our enforcement priorities."

    In light of the accusations Thursday, she added that "the agency will aggressively investigate allegations of fraud and abuse of the deferred action process."

    The allegations from the union were expressed in unusually blunt terms Thursday.

    George McCubbin, president of the National Border Patrol Council union, said the Department of Homeland Security has made it impossible for agents to do their jobs.

    Crane said it's led to disorganization and "confusion" at ICE.

    Republican lawmakers used the forum to continue their sustained campaign against the administration's immigration policy changes.

    Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, said the latest directive is without legal basis and "condones breaking the law."

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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargain" [Immigration Debate]

    It is getting real in Arizona!

    Arizona Governor Jan Brewer signs executive order prohibiting public benefits to young illegal aliens

    Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer on Wednesday ordered state agencies to deny driver’s licenses and other public benefits to young illegal immigrants who obtain work authorizations under a new Obama administration policy.

    In an executive order, Brewer said she was reaffirming the intent of current Arizona law denying taxpayer-funded public benefits and state identification to illegal immigrants.

    Young illegal immigrants around the nation on Wednesday began the process of applying for federal work permits under the Obama administration’s Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals.

    The federal policy defers deportations for that group if they meet certain criteria, including arrival in the United States before they turned 16 and no convictions for certain crimes.

    After President Barack Obama announced the policy change in June, Brewer labeled it “backdoor amnesty” and political pandering by the Democratic president.

    Arizona has been in the vanguard of states enacting laws against illegal immigration.

    The U.S. Supreme Court in June overturned parts of the Arizona enforcement law known as SB1070 but ruled that a key provision on requiring police to ask people about their immigration status under certain circumstances can be implemented.

    The Obama administration challenged that law in 2010 after Brewer signed it into law.

    In the past decade, Arizona voters twice approved laws denying publicly funded services, such as in-state resident university tuition rates, to illegal immigrants unless mandated by the federal government.

    Brewer‘s order said the policy’s federal paperwork doesn‘t confer lawful status on illegal immigrants and won’t entitle them to Arizona public benefits. Read the entire executive order here.

    However, it said the policy change “could result in some unlawfully present aliens inappropriately gaining access to public benefits contrary to the intent of Arizona voters and lawmakers who enacted laws expressly restricting access to taxpayer funded benefits and state identification.”

    Brewer directed state agencies to start any necessary emergency rule-making processes to implement her order.

    State Rep. Catherine Miranda, who supports the federal program, called Brewer’s action mean-spirited.

    “She just continues to put obstacles in front of young people in Arizona,” the Phoenix Democrat said.

    Rep. Martin Quezada, D-Phoenix, said he questioned whether the order would have much practical effect under Arizona’s current laws. But he said it served to demonize good kids who should be allowed to get state-issued identification and enter the workforce.
    I wonder if Brewer just denied illegal immigrants access to ObamaCare. Because if you don't get health insurance from work, you're supposed to get shuffled onto these state run exchanges. If illegal immigrants are barred from state services, I wonder if Brewer just kicked the illegals off of ObamaCare. At least in Arizona. Interesting.
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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargain" [Immigration Debate]

    Quote Originally Posted by Keven View Post
    It is getting real in Arizona!

    Arizona Governor Jan Brewer signs executive order prohibiting public benefits to young illegal aliens



    I wonder if Brewer just denied illegal immigrants access to ObamaCare. Because if you don't get health insurance from work, you're supposed to get shuffled onto these state run exchanges. If illegal immigrants are barred from state services, I wonder if Brewer just kicked the illegals off of ObamaCare. At least in Arizona. Interesting.
    One of the Phoenix TV stations (Ch 12 I think) did a survey and over 60% of Arizonans support this move by Governor Brewer. In related news "dozens" of illegals protested outside the State House.
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