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    The Senate's "Grand Bargain" [Immigration Debate]

    I like the way this is going....NOT !
    http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/...007-05-08.html

    Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pa.) announced Tuesday that after numerous closed-door meetings, his immigration group has come to a “grand bargain” that stresses the need to secure the country’s borders.

    “We have come to an agreement on what we call a ‘grand bargain,’ which is the outline of an immigration bill,” Specter said on the Senate floor. “There is no doubt that we want to secure the border and stop illegal immigration as the first item.”

    Specter said the “grand bargain” would include funding for fencing along the border and would send an additional 6,000 agents to the border, bringing the total to 12,000.

    The bill will also mandate strong employer sanctions against employing illegal immigrants, as a way to shift the focus toward identifying illegal immigrants residing in the U.S.

    The senator added that the group has decided to put discussion of a guest-worker program on hold until steps are taken to secure the borders. The committee is “rejecting the idea of amnesty for the 11 million undocumented immigrants,” he said.

    “We are trying to structure a temporary-worker program that is temporary,” he added. But he said that illegal immigrants would be given a pathway to citizenship that includes paying back taxes, learning English and providing an extensive work history in the U.S.
    There they go again ! Giving breaks to FEDERAL LAWBREAKERS !

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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargin"

    What I want to know is why it seems to be so easy for illegal immigrants to get jobs. I think that's where the real problem lies. Every time I've gotten offered a job I had to give two kinds of proof that I can legally work here.
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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargin"

    Quote Originally Posted by sopclod View Post
    What I want to know is why it seems to be so easy for illegal immigrants to get jobs. I think that's where the real problem lies. Every time I've gotten offered a job I had to give two kinds of proof that I can legally work here.
    That's very simple. They are extremely cheap.
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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargin"

    Here is what I want to know - when my company did a job at Fanniemae - a data center upgrade -every day we had to show ID to gain access , then the general contractor came in with his painters and laborers and all they had to show were company IDs with a picture
    WTF - they were all hispanic but If I have to show state ID and I'm white US stock , why do they get away with a friggen ID I could make at home ?
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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargin"

    Quote Originally Posted by sopclod View Post
    What I want to know is why it seems to be so easy for illegal immigrants to get jobs. I think that's where the real problem lies. Every time I've gotten offered a job I had to give two kinds of proof that I can legally work here.
    Most of the businesses they hire onto are small businesses. The prospective employee provides a social security number, and the small business sends it up to the IRS. The IRS will usually not tell the small business that the SSN is bogus for up to 9 months... by which time the worker is gone.

    And working for another small business.

    Now, the employer can call the Police, but most cities won't bother with the call. They could call ICE, but they won't even look into a single person problem. If the employer calls in often enough, the EMPLOYER will get hassled for hiring too many possible illegals.

    You are the employer: Do you make a fuss again?!?

    I think the ID thing is a tacit admission by Fanniemae that the work YOU were doing was being done by skilled workers, and could cause a problem if you decided to mess with the files... while the other workers had little access to the files, and hey, if you hassle with all the big ID checks, nobody will paint the walls.

    Oddly, everytime the Feds raid a meat-cutting plant or something, the resulting job openings go a long way towards cutting down on local unemployment. Political leaders should be begging for a raid in their own districts...



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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargin"

    Quote Originally Posted by Fluff n Stuff View Post
    Most of the businesses they hire onto are small businesses. The prospective employee provides a social security number, and the small business sends it up to the IRS. The IRS will usually not tell the small business that the SSN is bogus for up to 9 months... by which time the worker is gone.

    And working for another small business.

    Now, the employer can call the Police, but most cities won't bother with the call. They could call ICE, but they won't even look into a single person problem. If the employer calls in often enough, the EMPLOYER will get hassled for hiring too many possible illegals.

    You are the employer: Do you make a fuss again?!?


    Oddly, everytime the Feds raid a meat-cutting plant or something, the resulting job openings go a long way towards cutting down on local unemployment. Political leaders should be begging for a raid in their own districts...
    That's some interesting info, but it only reinforces my opinion that if the powers that be were really serious about cracking down on illegal immigration, the opportunity is there.
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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargin"

    The traitor party is living up to their name again!

    House Democrats voted Friday to defend localities that allow illegal immigrants to vote in their elections, turning back a GOP attempt to discourage the practice. As The Washington Times reports, the vote marks a stunning reversal from just six months ago, when the chamber - then under GOP control - voted to decry illegal immigrant voting.

    “We are prepared to open up the political process and let all of the people come in,” Rep. John Lewis, a Georgia Democrat and hero of the civil rights movement, told colleagues as he led opposition to the GOP measure.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-...nts-right-vote

    These are the same traitors that will cry "Muh Constitution!" when talking about a border wall. The traitor party only exists now to take away the rights of actual US citizens and transfer them to illegal citizens.

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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargin"

    Quote Originally Posted by kbohip View Post
    The traitor party is living up to their name again!

    House Democrats voted Friday to defend localities that allow illegal immigrants to vote in their elections, turning back a GOP attempt to discourage the practice. As The Washington Times reports, the vote marks a stunning reversal from just six months ago, when the chamber - then under GOP control - voted to decry illegal immigrant voting.

    “We are prepared to open up the political process and let all of the people come in,” Rep. John Lewis, a Georgia Democrat and hero of the civil rights movement, told colleagues as he led opposition to the GOP measure.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-...nts-right-vote

    These are the same traitors that will cry "Muh Constitution!" when talking about a border wall. The traitor party only exists now to take away the rights of actual US citizens and transfer them to illegal citizens.
    They're scurrying to up their vote count in 2020.

    And beyond, of course.

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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargin"

    Quote Originally Posted by Fluff n Stuff View Post
    Most of the businesses they hire onto are small businesses. The prospective employee provides a social security number, and the small business sends it up to the IRS. The IRS will usually not tell the small business that the SSN is bogus for up to 9 months... by which time the worker is gone.

    And working for another small business.

    Now, the employer can call the Police, but most cities won't bother with the call. They could call ICE, but they won't even look into a single person problem. If the employer calls in often enough, the EMPLOYER will get hassled for hiring too many possible illegals.

    You are the employer: Do you make a fuss again?!?

    I think the ID thing is a tacit admission by Fanniemae that the work YOU were doing was being done by skilled workers, and could cause a problem if you decided to mess with the files... while the other workers had little access to the files, and hey, if you hassle with all the big ID checks, nobody will paint the walls.

    Oddly, everytime the Feds raid a meat-cutting plant or something, the resulting job openings go a long way towards cutting down on local unemployment. Political leaders should be begging for a raid in their own districts...
    could this result in a mess if one of the workers was more than he seemed?
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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargin"

    Quote Originally Posted by old82 View Post
    could this result in a mess if one of the workers was more than he seemed?
    Yes, of course. I wasn't saying that this is the system we want... I was explaining how the system is working now.

    I think that if we are to remove the temptation of good jobs from illegal aliens, we need to enforce it from the employer's side of the equation. But we have to hold the employers to a Standard that they can actually reach. One of the tools that can be used to make this possible is to provide a service where the Gov't will verify SSNs quickly and accurately. My bank can tell when somebody has used my Credit Card number out of pattern... so should the Gov't be able to notice that a 75 year old woman from Vermont is trying to get a job as a day-laborer in Seattle.

    I'm not in favor of releasing a bunch of information to the employers, but they should be able to enter basic data (SSN, gender, approx age, etc) and get a confirmation the next day at the latest. IF there is a problem with the number, the employee should be able to address it in short order by going to the local PD and verifying his identity there.

    We have to balance the need for basic privacy with the need to identify potential employees... but I see no reason why we can't do it. And there are compelling reasons why we need to, because as you say, the system can be used fairly easily by criminals from all sorts of places.



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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargin"

    I'm white US stock
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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargin"

    Quote Originally Posted by /\/\adGamer View Post
    Need you say more?
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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargin"

    Quote Originally Posted by william tell View Post
    Forgive me I got carried away , I am not racist but am anti illeagle
    we all were immigrants, more or less legal. first white dudes came illegally and took the redman's land. so..ahem

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    Quote Originally Posted by _dangtx_ View Post
    we all were immigrants, more or less legal. first white dudes came illegally and took the redman's land. so..ahem
    you can replace "red man" with all kinds of labels the strong rule the weak.Its how it is then and now!Is that right? depends on what the strong thinks is right in all reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by /\/\adGamer View Post
    you can replace "red man" with all kinds of labels the strong rule the weak.Its how it is then and now!Is that right? depends on what the strong thinks is right in all reality.
    nyone else?

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