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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargin"

    Quote Originally Posted by Fluff n Stuff View Post
    Hmmm.... does that mean that those XX Million illegal aliens who are getting all of the good jobs and not being prosecuted for their crimes... are now the STRONG, and should get to rule?

    Just askin'.
    we are letting them infest our country like C o c k roaches its not like we are trying to stop them.

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    The American Legion has always supported muscular immigration enforcement, but the veterans' group hasn't usually been active in lobbying on the issue. That's changed as the Legion has grown increasingly alarmed at Washington's manifest unwillingness to defend America's sovereignty. The Legion came out last week against any legislation that would legalize illegal aliens, and instead called for a policy of attrition through enforcement. The press release is here, and the longer white paper is here, detailing not only the enforcement strategy but also calling for reductions in legal immigration and more energetic efforts at assimilation. The white paper finishes by quoting Teddy Roosevelt's 1907 speech: "We have room for but one flag, the American flag … We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language … and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."
    Could the president or any of the candidates utter these words today?

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    "We have room for but one flag, the American flag … We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language … and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."
    Could the president or any of the candidates utter these words today?
    Could they?Yes

    Will they?NO

    I believe the first guy to say yes and actually seem to back it up could easily win the next election.

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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargin"

    kausfiles: A mostly political Weblog.
    Senate GOP Caves on ImmigrationOK, so it's amnesty. Hey, there's a fence!

    By Mickey Kaus
    Updated Wednesday, May 16, 2007, at 7:35 PM ET
    Updates on the Senate GOP Cave-in on immigration, specifically the amnesty issue, at The Corner, Powerline and Hugh Hewitt. ... Hewitt's gotten a leak of the bogus tough sounding talking points GOP Senators will try to deploy to cover their retreat. Many of the alleged concessions--like ending "chain migration" of family members--seem unenforceable in the long run. Are we really going to give citizenship to illegals but prevent them from reuniting with their families? I don't think so. Even if we could, and even if that were desirable, and even if the provisions survived in the Democratic house, it would hardly be worth what the GOP senators have apparently agreed to: taking the risk of encouraging another 12 million illegals to evade our still-porous border controls and wait for the next amnesty. ... This is looking more and more like the Bush administration's domestic version of Iraq: a big risky gamble, based on wishful thinking and nonexistent administrative competence, that will end in disaster. What disaster? 1) Lower wages for struggling unskilled--and semi-skilled--American workers (including, especially, underclass men) even when the labor market should be tight; 2) Income inequality moving further in the direction of Latin America--maybe even to such an extent that social equality between the rich and their servers becomes difficult to maintain; and 3) A large semi-assimilated population along our southern border with complex, understandably binational allegiances--our own Quebec. ... Actually, I can see why some Republicans might not be so bothered by (1) and (2). But what about Democrats? ...

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    I'm SOOO fired up about this, it just makes me sick.
    Sen. Edward M. Kennedy of Massachusetts, his party's lead negotiator on the deal, hailed it as "the best possible chance we will have in years to secure our borders and bring millions of people out of the shadows and into the sunshine of America."

    Anticipating criticism from conservatives, Sen. Arlen Specter (news, bio, voting record), R-Pa., said, "It is not amnesty. This will restore the rule of law."

    The accord sets the stage for what promises to be a bruising battle next week in the Senate.

    Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (news, bio, voting record), D-Nev., called the proposal a "starting point" for that debate and said the measure needs improvement.

    "I have serious concerns about some aspects of this proposal, including the structure of the temporary worker program and undue limitations on family immigration," Reid said in a statement.

    The breakthrough came when negotiators struck a bargain on a so-called "point system" that prioritizes immigrants' education and skill level over family connections in deciding how to award green cards.

    The immigration issue also divides both parties in the House, which isn't expected to act unless the Senate passes a bill first.

    The proposed agreement would allow illegal immigrants to come forward and obtain a "Z visa" and — after paying fees and a $5,000 fine — ultimately get on track for permanent residency, which could take between eight and 13 years. Heads of household would have to return to their home countries first.

    They could come forward right away to claim a probationary card that would let them live and work legally in the U.S., but could not begin the path to permanent residency or citizenship until border security improvements and the high-tech worker identification program were completed.

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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargin"

    You arent alone. This guy is as about as tough as they get on the issue.
    This was from this morning before the "deal" and hes gonna be breathing fire later

    http://www.rightwingnews.com/

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    You should add the word Immigration to your thread title....or I can for you. Cause its gonna be a hot topic for awhile
    This thread is the most current so it may as well be the "spot"
    Last edited by jimzinsocal; 05-17-2007 at 05:27 PM.

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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargin"

    Quote Originally Posted by jimzinsocal View Post
    You should add the word Immigration to your thread title....or I can for you. Cause its gonna be a hot topic for awhile
    Immigration bah... this is not "immigration". It's an effin invasion and a slap in the face to those who have actually gone through our immigration process legally. No way in h3ll will I vote for or donate one cent to the campaign of any f*cktard politician who votes in favor of this sham.
    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


    -The Gipper


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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargin"

    These guys...within the next hour will have all the details. But here


    More on the So-Called Triggers [Rich Lowry]

    All the illegals get probationary legal status immediately. As I understand it, the only thing that is "triggered" is the creation of the new indefinitely renewable Z visa. The probationary status means you get a "floppy card" that allows you only to work and not travel. The card that goes with the Z visa will be fancier and allow you to work and travel. But the bottom line is that once you have the probationary status, you are legal, which is effectively an amnesty.
    05/17 05:33 PM

    New on NRO [NRO Staff]

    Ponnuru vs. Coburn.

    The Heritage Foundation's Brian Darling on the Republican immigration "sellout."

    05/17 05:31 PM

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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargin"

    Just read the Heritage thing. 2,5 Trillion. Ouch.


    The NY Times

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/17/wa...rssnyt&emc=rss

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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargin"

    Quote Originally Posted by AMDScooter View Post
    Immigration bah... this is not "immigration". It's an effin invasion and a slap in the face to those who have actually gone through our immigration process legally. No way in h3ll will I vote for or donate one cent to the campaign of any f*cktard politician who votes in favor of this sham.
    I agree 100%
    “Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.”

    ― George Orwell, 1984

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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargin"

    Quote Originally Posted by _dangtx_ View Post
    we all were immigrants, more or less legal. first white dudes came illegally and took the redman's land. so..ahem
    Didn't know the redmen had laws written down for all to see.
    Nuke em'.

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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargin"

    Quote Originally Posted by jimzinsocal View Post
    Just read the Heritage thing. 2,5 Trillion. Ouch.


    The NY Times

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/17/wa...rssnyt&emc=rss
    From above article:


    “Immigration is a tough issue for a lot of Americans,” Mr. Bush said. “The agreement reached today is one that will help enforce our borders, but equally importantly, it will treat people with respect. This is a bill where people who live here in our country will be treated without amnesty, but without animosity.” Mr. Bush said he was eager to sign “comprehensive” immigration legislation.

    What!?!?! Immigration is only a tough issue for politicians. It certainly isn't a tough issue for any legal American. Oh, and let's not forget what Teddy says either:

    Senators from both parties announced an agreement this afternoon on immigration-reform legislation that would bring illegal immigrants and their families “out of the shadows and into the sunshine of American life,” as Senator Edward M. Kennedy put it.

    Yea, we don't want the people living here illegally to feel at all bad about it Ted. Seriously, who needs terrorists when our leaders do a Hell of a lot more damage to our country than any terrorist could ever hope to.

    The Dems and Repubs are using OUR constitution as toilet paper and what really scares me the most about all of this is knowing either of their parties is a shoe in for the next election.
    “Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.”

    ― George Orwell, 1984

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