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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargain" [Immigration Debate]

    Quote Originally Posted by falcon_view View Post
    I voted "yes" now it is your turn to vote
    i guess the vote is over. 95.9% said that Arizona's law was a good idea.


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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargain" [Immigration Debate]

    Quote Originally Posted by old82 View Post
    i guess the vote is over. 95.9% said that Arizona's law was a good idea.


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    Total of 2,603,586 votes
    95.9%
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    4.1%
    No
    107,301 votes
    Or another way to look at it is 96% of people disagree with BO and Co on this.

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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargain" [Immigration Debate]

    Quote Originally Posted by kbohip View Post
    Or another way to look at it is 96% of people disagree with BO and Co on this.
    Another: This poll will get zip airplay on MSNBC.

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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargain" [Immigration Debate]

    I remember "duck and cover" back when I was in elementary school, but that was because of Russian nukes.

    Mexican schools teach kids to dodge bullets



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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargain" [Immigration Debate]

    Looks to be some folks are a bit upset that someone sent
    a list out Utah's way with the names of illegals on it.
    Appears the Gov wants to start an in investigation
    regarding who might of did such a thing.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_undocu...N0b2ZhbGxlZ2U-
    SALT LAKE CITY – A list containing the names and personal information of 1,300 people an anonymous group contends are illegal immigrants has been mailed around Utah, terrifying the state's Hispanic community.

    Republican Gov. Gary Herbert wrote in a tweet Tuesday that he has asked state agencies to investigate the list — sent anonymously to several media outlets, and law enforcement and state agencies. A letter accompanying the list demands that those on it be deported immediately.

    Most of the names on the list are of Hispanic origin.
    The list also contains highly detailed personal information such as Social Security numbers, birth dates, workplaces, addresses and phone numbers. Names of children are included, along with due dates of pregnant women on the list.

    "My phone has been ringing nonstop since this morning with people finding out they're on the list," said Tony Yapias, former director of the Utah Office of Hispanic Affairs. "They're feeling terrorized. They're very scared."
    I find it interesting that this catches attention, yet when
    the names and address of CCW's holders are posted no
    one really blinks a eye.

    My question being, why do folks who may be here illegally
    get front line news, while those who CAN protect them
    selves lawfully via a license to carry NOT get the same
    attention when THEIR info is released in the local papers ?

    No bias here, I'm thinkin'. Guess it's not important enough.

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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargain" [Immigration Debate]

    Smells funny... how do illegal aliens get Social Security numbers?



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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargain" [Immigration Debate]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fluff n Stuff View Post
    Smells funny... how do illegal aliens get Social Security numbers?
    You pay 50-100$ to your local illegal green card maker.Thats the going rate around So Cal.
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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargain" [Immigration Debate]

    Update on that Utah list. Apparently some were falsely accused. Nice to know government workers entrusted with private information don't consider it private.
    Guv: At least 2 state workers behind ‘The List’
    By Robert Gehrke
    The Salt Lake Tribune
    Updated 20 minutes ago Updated Jul 16, 2010 05:04PM
    The state has identified and placed on leave two employees from the Department of Workforce Services who accessed state data to compile a list of 1,300 people who were purportedly in the country illegally. At least two more workers are suspected.
    These tactics by these rogue employees to go out and single out individuals and their families and, in some cases, falsely accusing people of an illegal status is deplorable and is counterproductive to the issue that ought to be the focus,” Gov. Gary Herbert said at a press conference.
    Two employees were escorted from their state offices and have been put on administrative leave pending completion of the full investigation, said DWS executive director Kristen Cox. She said it is uncertain if their leave would be unpaid.
    Cox said officials suspect “a couple more” employees may have been involved in compiling the list, potentially as many as four, and the findings of the investigation will be turned over to the Utah Attorney General’s Office.
    “We feel very confident that we have identified the core group,” she said. “The people we’ve identified certainly have strong political opinions and have frustration around the issue of immigration. ... If they want to go rogue, they need to quit the department.”
    Utah Attorney General Mark Shurtleff said he has already had “initial discussions” with federal authorities and will meet with them further to determine if anyone should be prosecuted in state or federal court — or both. The release of health information could constitute federal crimes.
    “We’re talking serious crimes that could rise to the level of what we would call a felony crime,” Shurtleff said of the release of data.
    A group calling itself “Concerned Citizens of the United States” sent the 29-page document to news outlets and law enforcement agencies, demanding that the people on the list be immediately deported.

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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargain" [Immigration Debate]

    Those guys are in deep doo-doo
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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargain" [Immigration Debate]

    Immigrant deaths in Arizona way up due to heat.

    PHOENIX -- The number of deaths among illegal immigrants crossing the Arizona desert from Mexico is soaring so high this month that the medical examiner's office that handles the bodies is using a refrigerated truck to store some of them, the chief examiner said Friday.

    The bodies of 40 illegal immigrants have been brought to the office of Pima County Medical Examiner Dr. Bruce Parks since July 1. At that rate, Parks said the deaths could top the single-month record of 68 in July 2005 since his office began tracking them in 2000.

    "Right now, at the halfway point of the month, to have so many is just a very bad sign," he said. "It's definitely on course to perhaps be the deadliest month of all time."

    From Jan. 1 to July 15, the office has handled the bodies of 134 illegal immigrants, up from 93 at the same time last year and 102 in 2008. In 2007, when the office recorded the highest annual deaths of illegal immigrants, 140 bodies had been taken there through July 15.

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/07/16...-soaring-july/

    Hundreds of needless dead people because none of our leaders want to build a decent fence or patrol the border properly. These invaders should have never been on US soil in the first place. Their blood is on your hands Obama, Bush, Clinton, old Bush, etc.

    Btw, if I were Mexican and going to attempt an illegal US border crossing, I'd either leave by May or wait till October. At the very least I wouldn't be batshit crazy enough to do it during a desert heat wave either. Just sayin'.

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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargain" [Immigration Debate]

    wow, from that article...
    On Thursday, she said the Border Patrol responded to a call from a husband and wife from Mexico who were experiencing difficulties because of the heat. When agents got there, the 25-year-old man had died; his 22-year-old wife survived and will be taken back to Mexico.
    "Unfortunately, (agents) just didn't get there in time," she said, adding that finding immigrants in distress is often extremely difficult because of the vast and treacherous terrain. "It's really sad when this happens. Even one death is too many for us."
    Deaths among immigrants occur despite public service advertisements warning them of the dangers of the desert, and the efforts of humanitarian groups that man aid stations for immigrants in distress and 20 Border Patrol rescue beacons in remote areas of the desert that immigrants can activate if they need help.
    Border Patrol statistics for the entire U.S.-Mexico border show that deaths among illegal immigrants peaked at 492 in fiscal year 2005 and declined every year until last fiscal year, when they rose to 422.
    The Border Patrol says the agency rescued nearly 1,300 people last fiscal year.
    Sad.
    In all this debate, and with that article about Mexican school kids taught how to protect themselves from stray gang related bullets, I wonder if this travesty is somehow better suited towards a refining of the drugs laws here in the US. Simply getting rid of the prohibition and going towards a more libertarian view of allowing usage where it has a limited effect on society while regulating it and even getting tax dollars from it. This has gotten out of hand and some of the illegals are not the couples that were exampled. They are drug cartel members moving north to expand their income and control.

    I'm not arguing about how the federal government has dropped the ball over the years. They have, which is the primary reason the states are pushing back with some pretty arcane laws. I hope when we stop the industrial war machine that Eisenhower warned us about from having all our Nat'l Guard units on lengthy tours in other countries they can be used to help change this flow. Or better still, that annual trillion dollar military budget we have--let's use some of that.

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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargain" [Immigration Debate]

    Quote Originally Posted by otoc View Post
    wow, from that article...
    Sad.
    In all this debate, and with that article about Mexican school kids taught how to protect themselves from stray gang related bullets, I wonder if this travesty is somehow better suited towards a refining of the drugs laws here in the US. Simply getting rid of the prohibition and going towards a more libertarian view of allowing usage where it has a limited effect on society while regulating it and even getting tax dollars from it. This has gotten out of hand and some of the illegals are not the couples that were exampled. They are drug cartel members moving north to expand their income and control.

    I'm not arguing about how the federal government has dropped the ball over the years. They have, which is the primary reason the states are pushing back with some pretty arcane laws. I hope when we stop the industrial war machine that Eisenhower warned us about from having all our Nat'l Guard units on lengthy tours in other countries they can be used to help change this flow. Or better still, that annual trillion dollar military budget we have--let's use some of that.
    Ummmm....+1 to all of this.

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    Early Score: Arizona 1 - Obambi Admin 0
    “Why can’t Arizona be as inhospitable as they wish to people who have entered or remained in the United States?” U.S. District Judge Susan Bolton asked in a pointed exchange with Deputy Solicitor General Edwin S. Kneedler. Her comment came during a rare federal court hearing in the Justice Department’s lawsuit against Arizona and Gov. Jan Brewer (R).

    Bolton, a Democratic appointee, also questioned a core part of the Justice Department’s argument that she should declare the law unconstitutional: that it is “preempted” by federal law because immigration enforcement is an exclusive federal prerogative.

    “How is there a preemption issue?” the judge asked. “I understand there may be other issues, but you’re arguing preemption. Where is the preemption if everybody who is arrested for some crime has their immigration status checked?”
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    Woman Hid Mexican ID In Enchilada

    You just can't make this stuff up!

    "Maricopa County Sheriff's detectives arrested five women after serving a search warrant at a business near 19th Street and the University of Phoenix."When we went in there one of the ladies was hiding her Mexican ID in her enchilada to try and conceal the identification," Sheriff Joe Arpaio said."

    http://www.kpho.com/news/24406243/detail.html
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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargain" [Immigration Debate]

    Looks like Arizona's forthcoming new law is having an effect already.

    Fleeing Phoenix out of fear of immigration law

    As families leave the city, and state, some neighborhoods — already suffering from the weak economy — are left with fewer customers to sustain businesses.

    July 22, 2010|By Nicholas Riccardi, Los Angeles Times

    Reporting from Phoenix — Every time a customer buys some of the large fabric tote bags from the Dollar Store at 43rd Avenue and Thomas Road, Najmuddin Katchi sees another piece of his business vanish.

    The purchase of the briefcase-sized shoulder bags means that another one of Katchi's customers, mostly Latino immigrants, is packing to leave the state before what is touted as the nation's toughest law against illegal immigrants takes effect July 29.

    Katchi's store isn't the only business suffering. The vast shopping center that holds his small shop is almost empty. The Food City supermarket closed this spring. Then the furniture shop. Then the pizzeria.

    The giant apartment complex across the street, once brimming with tenants, is two-thirds vacant. Katchi is behind on his rent.

    "The business is broken," said Katchi, who has operated his shop at this intersection for 14 years. "After the 29th of July, what happens? Maybe I have to close the store."

    http://articles.latimes.com/print/20...oenix-20100723

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