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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargain" [Immigration Debate]

    He sells bags.

    Whenever someone buys a bag, he loses bizness.

    Life's a beach.

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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargain" [Immigration Debate]

    LOL, well the LA Times just had to find a bleeding heart angle to go at.

    Serves him right for relying on illegal trade for his business.

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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargain" [Immigration Debate]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutchcedar View Post
    Early Score: Arizona 1 - Obambi Admin 0
    We'll need to verify that score on the scoreboard:

    http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/07/28/ari...pt=T1&iref=BN1

    Phoenix, Arizona (CNN) -- A federal judge has blocked one of the most controversial sections of a tough Arizona immigration law, granting a preliminary injunction Wednesday that prevents police from questioning people about their immigration status.

    That provision of the law requires police to "make a reasonable attempt to determine the immigration status of a person stopped, detained or arrested" if the officer has a reasonable suspicion that the person is in the United States illegally.

    U.S. District Judge Susan Bolton's ruling, in response to a motion filed by the federal government, came with scant hours to go before the law goes into effect.
    I'm practicing Dutch's new "don't post the whole body of the link" method so click on the link to get the whole story.

    This aint over by a longshot.

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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargain" [Immigration Debate]

    Kinda like a real good soccer game... 1-1.

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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargain" [Immigration Debate]

    More like criminals 1 - USA 0

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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargain" [Immigration Debate]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutchcedar View Post
    Kinda like a real good soccer game... 1-1.
    Hehe, might result in penalty kicks

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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargain" [Immigration Debate]



    Story is not bad considering it's C-BS. I don't want changes to the Constitution at all as it simply avoids the issue of border security. I understand why some might want it as all the left wants to talk about is "comprehensive" immigration reform, ie: amnesty. How about we seal the border first this time.. then decide to do with all the illegals already here? We all know why.

    Anyway, at the end (about 3:30) where the reporter asks the illegal mother (who is now feeling unafraid of deportation scare brought up at the beginning of her story) if she understands why US citizens struggling to make ends meet might think it unfair they have to foot her medical bills. (get yer vomit buckets out) Her response.. "I don't understand the resentment.. but I know god will find a way to help them to". Hey lady.. I don't need god to find a way. We're stuck with your anchor baby as he is now a US citizen. How about you simply repay all the costs incurred for his birth and what it will cost US to raise and educate him? Also do us the favor of not taking advantage of any of the already overburdened social services that most legal.. taxpaying.. US citizens.. pay for but never get to use cuz we make money and pay taxes?

    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargain" [Immigration Debate]

    “I don’t know how anyone of Hispanic heritage could be a Republican Democrat,”
    Fixed..

    You gots sum splainin' to do Harry..

    1993 flip-flop: Sen. Reid introduced bill 'clarifying' birthright citizenship

    Updated Aug.13, 2010 12:00 AM EST

    (All emphasis is mine)

    For all the brouhaha over Republicans wanting to review the interpretation of the 14th Amendment, the citizenship/birthright clause, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, Nevada Democrat, once supported revising the current interpretation of the birthright citizenship clause in 1993.

    Mr. Reid introduced a bill to the Senate Judiciary Committee as the Immigration Stabilization Act of 1993. The bill, which died in committee after it was referred to the Subcommittee on Immigration and Refugee Affairs, includes tough immigration provisions that would make many wonder where Mr. Reid truly stands on the immigration and border debate.

    Title X of the Reid introduced bill shows the Nevada Democrat took Senator Lindsey Graham's, South Carolina Republican, idea on the interpretation of the 14th Amendment and documented it into legislation:

    "TITLE X—CITIZENSHIP 4 SEC. 1001. BASIS OF CITIZENSHIP CLARIFIED. In the exercise of its powers under section of the Fourteenth Article of Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, the Congress has determined and hereby declares that any person born after the date of enactment of this title to a mother who is neither a citizen of the United States nor admitted to the United States as a lawful permanent resident, and which person is a national or citizen of another country of which either of his or her natural parents is a national or citizen, or is entitled upon application to become a national or citizen of such country, shall be considered as born subject to the jurisdiction of that foreign country and not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States within the meaning of section 1 of such Article and shall therefore not be a citizen of the United States or of any State solely by reason of physical presence within the United States at the moment of birth."
    Even the summary of the bill contains language that would offend many of Mr. Reid's supporters who are pushing amnesty for illegal immigrants in the United States:

    "A bill to curb criminal activity by aliens, to defend against acts of international terrorism, to protect American workers from unfair labor competition, and to relieve pressure on public services by strengthening border security and stabilizing immigration into the United States."
    The Center for Immigration Studies, wrote about the failed bill in 1993, describing it this way:

    Senator Harry Reid (D-NV) has introduced a comprehensive immigration reform bill (S. 1351) that includes a provision that would limit citizenship to those whose mothers are United States citizens or legal permanent residents. However, Senator Reid's proposal is to amend only the Immigration and Nationality Act, not the Constitution. Additionally, Senator Alan Simpson (R-WY) is planning to propose an immigration reform package that will include a provision similar to that of Senator Reid's. Whether or not Senator Simpson's recommendation will limit the right to citizenship to only those whose mothers are citizens or legal residents remains to be seen.

    Opponents of these proposals argue that they go against the fundamental traditions of the United States. The citizenship clause was originally written to guarantee citizenship to all freed slaves, thereby establishing a tradition of inclusiveness. On the other hand, those in favor of the proposals believe birthright citizenship to be an attraction to illegal immigration. Under current law, simply because a child is born on U.S. soil, he or she is entitled to all the benefits that U.S. citizenship entails, including federal welfare benefits and the right to vote. Additionally, when that child turns 21, he or she will be able to sponsor his or her parents, and other family members, to the United States under the family reunification provisions of the Immigration and Nationality Act.
    Mr. Reid has taken quite the 180 since he introduced his immigration bill in 1993. “They've either taken leave of their senses or their principles,” said Senator Reid of Republicans recently when asked about what he thought about the GOP push to clarify the 14th Amendment of the Constitution. Mr. Reid tried to endear himself recently to Hispanic voters in Nevada when discussing border issues and told them, "I don't know how anyone of Hispanic heritage could be a Republican." Causing an uproar among Hispanics who are conservatives and Republicans, Mr. Reid's past dabbling with the 14th Amendment cannot possibly make his liberal supporters happy.

    Mr. Graham wants the 14th Amendment clarified, while House Minority Leader, John Boehner, Ohio Republican, said looking at the Amendment was “worth considering,” according to reports.

    The 14th Amendment grants citizenship to any individual born in the United States. It also grants citizenship to babies born on American soil to illegal immigrants. The babies are commonly known as “anchor babies,” because their citizenship status makes it easier for their undocumented relatives to achieve legal immigration status by family reunification measures found in the 1965 Immigration and Nationality Act. A new study published by the Pew Hispanic Center reports that 1 in 13 babies are born to illegal immigrants (h/t Fox 13 Now-Utah).
    Guess ole Harry is secretly a member of that racist/bigoted Tea Party the (D)inwhits have been going on and on about. Maybe he can git Bubba to give a stump speech on his behalf as to how he is just a "good old boy" who wanted to be elected like he did for that KKK guy the (D)'s just gave a hero's burial.

    Me <=== waits for all those who have been taking pleasure in jumping on every mis-step of his opponent to once again step up and say they really dun like him anyway.... of course in a fashion that puts the werst possible slant on said competitor.

    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


    -The Gipper


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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargain" [Immigration Debate]

    ^^^ What was that comment in the other thread?

    Somethin' about Democrats and liberals saying one thing and meaning the exact opposite? I know a lot of politicians play the game that way, but the desperate on the left are being so danged blatant about it these days, its become ridiculous.

    Most ridiculous? Reid is the leader of the friggin' Senate! So we have the trifecta of lyin' scumbags, Obambi, Reid and Pelosi.

    Vote the bums out.

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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargain" [Immigration Debate]

    I know why Obambi is so set on so-called comprehensive immigration reform (AMNESATY) it’s really quite obvious. It’s the key to his reelection in 2012. Amnesty is the key to instant citizenship and instant citizenship is the key to 12-20 million Mexican voters that will vote for the messiah and his entitlement society. Hell with that much new power he can do away with term limits and become the benevolent royalty he so much wants to be. A picture of the royal family in every house and the throngs bowing to kiss his feet.

    I believe they call that self-absorption…

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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargain" [Immigration Debate]

    Quote Originally Posted by AMDScooter View Post
    Fixed..

    You gots sum splainin' to do Harry..

    1993 flip-flop: Sen. Reid introduced bill 'clarifying' birthright citizenship



    Guess ole Harry is secretly a member of that racist/bigoted Tea Party the (D)inwhits have been going on and on about. Maybe he can git Bubba to give a stump speech on his behalf as to how he is just a "good old boy" who wanted to be elected like he did for that KKK guy the (D)'s just gave a hero's burial.

    Me <=== waits for all those who have been taking pleasure in jumping on every mis-step of his opponent to once again step up and say they really dun like him anyway.... of course in a fashion that puts the werst possible slant on said competitor.

    What do you want? For someone to come on and call him a hypocrite? Ok. He's a hypocrite. Not really news to me or you or anyone else for that matter.

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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargain" [Immigration Debate]

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackDragon24 View Post
    What do you want? For someone to come on and call him a hypocrite? Ok. He's a hypocrite. Not really news to me or you or anyone else for that matter.
    Just sayin BD. You seemed pretty offended recently to that very same idea because you claimed it was supposedly the 3rd bestus idea the repugs had to run on.. or sum such nonsense:

    http://forums.pcper.com/showpost.php...&postcount=481

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackDragon24
    . . .

    Their third best idea is to gut the 14th amendment of the constitution.

    . . .
    This is the best you can muster? Hypocrisy admissions we hardly need? Seriously? Was Harry not suggesting the exact same things you claimed would: "gut the 14th amendment of the constitution" just 1 week ago?

    Add in those bigoted remarks Harry just made, then this surfaces... and this is it?? He's a hypocrite? No calls for his resignation as YOUR Senate majority leader? No racist accusations as you've inferred motivate the Tea Party for among other things... wanting a secure border JUST LIKE HARRY DID?? Hypocrite? I guess Harry is in good company.

    When repugs want a secure border they are racists and bigots. When libberals want the exact same thing... and make actual racist/bigoted remarks... then flop for political expedience.. they are merely hypocrites and we should merely move along and forget all the rhetoric directed at 33bil repugs who want border security.

    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


    -The Gipper


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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargain" [Immigration Debate]

    Quote Originally Posted by AMDScooter View Post
    When repugs want a secure border they are racists and bigots. When libberals want the exact same thing... and make actual racist/bigoted remarks... then flop for political expedience.. they are merely hypocrites and we should merely move along and forget all the rhetoric directed at 33bil repugs who want border security.


    The dems/liberals have been playing that same little game for decades. The sad thing is some people fall for their time tested little chump game time after time. I’ve seen it happen so many frigging times the words racist and bigot fall on deaf ears.

    Nothing new here move a long…

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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargain" [Immigration Debate]

    Live and in person.. that bigot/racist/gutter of the 14th amendment of the constitution... Harry Reid...

    Video: Harry Reid Speaks Out Against Birthright Citizenship

    Via William Jacobson at Legal Insurrection, a 1993 YouTube video of Harry Reid railing against birthright citizenship for illegal immigrants:



    Reid sponsored legislation in 1993 to do away with birthright citizenship for the children of illegal immigrants. Reid claims that in a 2006 speech, he apologized for sponsoring this legislation. But as Jacobsen notes, "Nowhere in the transcript provided does Reid specifically mention the 1993 legislation."

    Reid said last week: "I don't know how anyone of Hispanic heritage could be a Republican" because of the Republican party's opposition to illegal immigration.
    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


    -The Gipper


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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargain" [Immigration Debate]

    ^^^You do realize the guy came out in 2006 and said that it was the biggest mistake of his political career, right?

    I mean, the guy is a scumbag....but he gets a little credit from me for at least admitting he was a scumbag.

    And that's about the best defense for Harry Reid you will get from me

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