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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargain" [Immigration Debate]

    Fer real...



    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargain" [Immigration Debate]

    Quote Originally Posted by AMDScooter View Post
    Fer real...



    You would think with all the negative news coming out of Mexico, tourism would have dropped significantly for them. The opposite is true though, which honestly surprises me.

    The number of international tourists reaching Mexico by air experienced a 35.2 percent increase in June 2010 compared with the same month last year marking an impressive first half of the year for the Mexico tourism industry.

    During the same period, 818,278 tourists from different nationalities visited Mexico, versus 605,435 who visited in June 2009. Of those, some 573,016 travelers arrived by air from the United States, representing a 23.7 percent growth over June 2009. Even more impressive are the 41,184 tourists that arrived from Canada; 21,322 more than in June 2009 – a whopping increase of 107.4 percent.

    http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20100825005260/en

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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargain" [Immigration Debate]

    I think it is fairly safe if you aren't near the border.
    Brian

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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargain" [Immigration Debate]

    Dumbarse bamma... the apology tour continues...

    Brewer blasts Obama over submission to UN specifying AZ immigration law

    Arizona Governor Jan Brewer angrily demanded yesterday that the White House withdraw their report to the UN Human Rights Council that singled out Arizona’s law as a cause for concern about the American track record on human rights. Calling such a reference “downright offensive” in her letter to Hillary Clinton, Brewer also called the entire report “internationalism run amuck”:

    Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer demanded Friday that a reference to the state’s controversial immigration law be removed from a State Department report to the United Nations’ human rights commissioner.

    The U.S. included its legal challenge to the law on a list of ways the federal government is protecting human rights.

    In a letter to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, Brewer says it is “downright offensive” that a state law would be included in the report, which was drafted as part of a UN review of human rights in all member nations every four years.

    “The idea of our own American government submitting the duly enacted laws of a state of the United States to ‘review’ by the United Nations is internationalism run amok and unconstitutional,” Brewer wrote.
    Not only is it internationalism run amuck, it’s both ridiculous and hypocritical at the same time. We submitted the report to the HRC out of some idiotic notion of equality with all nations, which might make sense if the HRC was comprised of free nations that allow their citizens to fully participate and freely speak in their politics. The members of the council to which the Obama administration submitted that letter include Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Cuba, China, and other paragons of human rights. Apparently, Kim Jong-Il and the DPRK were too busy to get named to the council.

    The Obama administration has opposed the Arizona bill, but not even Eric Holder could make a legal case that it violated human rights. Instead, the DoJ attacked it on federal supremacy in immigration affairs, essentially a technicality, by claiming that Arizona had tried to pre-empt federal immigration-control efforts. If the Obama administration really believed that this is a human-rights “concern,” then why didn’t they bother to make that claim in federal court? Instead, Obama and Clinton just decided to use it as a cheap moral-relativist point in their new version of an apology tour.

    The entire submission should be withdrawn, and the Obama administration should apologize to the people of Arizona for the insult.
    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


    -The Gipper


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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargain" [Immigration Debate]

    Quote Originally Posted by AMDScooter View Post
    Dumbarse bamma... the apology tour continues...

    Brewer blasts Obama over submission to UN specifying AZ immigration law



    A President and his administration that works this hard to protect the "rights" of illegals should tell you everything you need to know about where his priorities lie.

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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargain" [Immigration Debate]

    Quote Originally Posted by kbohip View Post
    A President and his administration that works this hard to protect the "rights" of illegals should tell you everything you need to know about where his priorities lie.

    Ah come on now he’s just looking for love and hero worship. He can’t seem to get that from all of the American people so he is looking elsewhere. Those rotten nasty patriots like the 500,000 at that rally today are ebil racist bigots who are intentionally destroying his dreams of saintliness.


    Beware….. Keep a close eye on the illegal immigration issue….
    Last edited by tucker; 08-28-2010 at 09:20 PM.

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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargain" [Immigration Debate]

    Quote Originally Posted by kbohip View Post
    You would think with all the negative news coming out of Mexico, tourism would have dropped significantly for them. The opposite is true though, which honestly surprises me.

    The number of international tourists reaching Mexico by air experienced a 35.2 percent increase in June 2010 compared with the same month last year marking an impressive first half of the year for the Mexico tourism industry.

    During the same period, 818,278 tourists from different nationalities visited Mexico, versus 605,435 who visited in June 2009. Of those, some 573,016 travelers arrived by air from the United States, representing a 23.7 percent growth over June 2009. Even more impressive are the 41,184 tourists that arrived from Canada; 21,322 more than in June 2009 – a whopping increase of 107.4 percent.

    http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20100825005260/en
    smugglers?
    Max Plank: "A new scientific truth does not
    triumph by convincing its opponents and making them
    see the light,
    but rather because its opponents eventually die"
    Arthur Shopenhauer: "Every truth passes through three stages before it is recognized.
    First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is opposed. Third, it is regarded as self evident."
    Martin Niemöller:
    "When the Nazis came for the communists,
    I remained silent;I was not a communist.
    When they locked up the social democrats,I remained silent;
    I was not a social democrat.When they came for the trade unionists,I did not speak out;
    I was not a trade unionist.When they came for the Jews,
    I remained silent;I wasn't a Jew.When they came for me,
    there was no one left to speak out."

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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargain" [Immigration Debate]

    They won't secure the border, but they've got plenty of money to sue Arizona for trying.

    Feds sue Arizona sheriff in civil rights probe

    "Critics say his deputies pull people over for minor traffic infractions because of the color of their skin so they can ask them for their proof of citizenship."


    "Arpaio denies allegations of racial profiling, saying people are stopped if deputies have probable cause to believe they've committed crimes and that it's only afterward that deputies find many of them are illegal immigrants."


    http://apnews.excite.com/article/201...D9HVSFI82.html

    Also they conveniently ignore the fact that a good portion of Sheriff Joe's deputies are Hispanic.


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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargain" [Immigration Debate]

    What's the liberal argument.. that illegals pay taxes or some such nonsense? Why is it that the places with the highest densities of illegals are habitually going broke trying to support said illegal populations? Even the LAT has a hard time towing the party line here... policy changes???!! RACISTS!! BIGOTS!!

    Again.. leave the freakin' Constitution alone... SECURE HE FREAKIN' BORDERS!!

    L.A. County welfare to children of illegal immigrants grows
    Payments to U.S.-born children rose to $52 million in July, prompting calls for policy changes


    By Teresa Watanabe, Los Angeles Times

    September 5, 2010

    Welfare payments to children of illegal immigrants in Los Angeles County increased in July to $52 million, prompting renewed calls from one county supervisor to rein in public benefits to such families.

    The payments, made to illegal immigrants for their U.S. citizen children, included $30 million in food stamps and $22 million from the CalWorks welfare program, according to county figures released Friday by Supervisor Michael D. Antonovich.

    The new figure represents an increase of $3.7 million from July 2009 and makes up 23% of all county welfare and food stamp assistance, according to county records.

    Last year, welfare and food stamp issuances totaled nearly $570 million, and the amount is projected to exceed $600 million this year. In addition, county taxpayers spend $550 million in public safety — mostly for jail costs — and nearly $500 million for healthcare for illegal immigrants, Antonovich said.

    "The supervisor is very concerned," said Antonovich spokesman Tony Bell. "He believes we have an economic catastrophe on our hands."

    Shirley Christensen of the county Department of Public Social Services said the number of households with illegal immigrant parents and U.S. citizen children receiving welfare increased by 7% from January to June of this year.

    "With the economy the way it is, a lot of people have had to avail themselves of programs they may not have needed before," Christensen said. "Everyone is taking a hit, including undocumented immigrants."

    Amid continued economic gloom, debate has intensified over the public cost of providing benefits to illegal immigrants and their U.S. citizen children. In recent months, calls have grown for a constitutional amendment that would effectively deny citizenship to the children of illegal immigrants, whose numbers increased from 2.7 million in 2003 to 4 million in 2008, according to the Pew Hispanic Center.

    Currently, U.S. citizenship is automatically granted to children born on U.S. soil. Last month, U.S. Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) announced that he might introduce a constitutional amendment to deny citizenship to children of illegal immigrants. Antonovich and several legal scholars, however, argue that a federal statute would be sufficient to change the law.

    But even some immigration hawks are wary of such a move. Steven Camarota of the Center for Immigration Studies, a Washington-based research organization that supports immigration restrictions, said ending birthright citizenship would harm children for their parents' misdeeds, require new federal registration systems and create other problems. The solution, he said, is to continue driving down illegal immigration with tough enforcement.
    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


    -The Gipper


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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargain" [Immigration Debate]

    Selected quotes from a news story.
    A fugitive is an individual who has a final order of removal and has absconded. ~ICE spokeswoman Gillian Brigham
    The U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency (ICE) says that as of Sunday, Sept. 5, it had caught-and-released 506,232 illegal aliens who are now fugtives. (sic)
    the population of the city of Sacramento, Calif., is 466,687, according to the U.S. Census Bureau, while Kansas City, Mo., is 482,299; Albuquerque, NM., is 528,497; and Atlanta, Ga., is 540,921.
    Please note the the number of Fugitives isn't the same as the number of Illegal Aliens entering the US this year. These are just the ones who have been caught, released, and THEN gone fugitive. Also note that this is not a number for the entire year; if you extrapolate the same rate for an entire year, you get a total over 750,000. If you gathered all of those fugitives in one space, you would have the 17th largest city in the entire US, a population larger than that of Boston, Massachusetts.

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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargain" [Immigration Debate]

    Brother..

    Mexico building fence to keep out...illegal aliens

    Americans have been exposed to so much blatant hypocrisy from liberal Democrats and their fellow travelers around the world, especially those clowns at the United Nations, that we’ve almost lost our sense of outrage at the many examples of sanctimonious double-dealing that we’re expected to swallow unquestioningly. That being said, here’s another illustration of that flagrant pecksniffery (Bill O’Reilly’s going to love my actually using that word in a sentence) that’s being ignored by the liberal media and which just may trigger your gag reflex.

    That’s right, Bubba, as Rob Nikolewski points out in his New Mexico Watchdog article, that wonderful exemplar of democratic principles, Mexican president, Felipe Calderon, who piously lecturedhis country from similar invasions and illegal activities from Central America. Americans on their lack of same for supporting Arizona’s attempt to protect itself from border incursions from his own lawless country, is quietly building a fence along a portion of Mexico’s own southern border to protect.

    And do you remember the boycott of the annual border governors’ conference, which was to be held in Arizona this summer, by several Mexican governors because they were protesting Arizona’s right to control its border?
    When it comes to shameless hypocrisy, it appears the mendacious Mexicans could teach even the duplicitous Democrats a few things.
    ^^

    Border fence gets erected: Not along US/Mexico border, but Mexico’s border with Guatemala

    There’s been plenty of debate about how the US should treat illegal immigrants and small government advocates and libertarians don’t alway see eye-to-eye on what should be done.

    For example, some call for cracking down on undocumented workers in an effort to reduce the growing costs of social services while others (from such disparate political viewpoints as the Wall Street Journal editorial board to former NM Governor Gary Johnson) criticize measures like the Arizona immigration bill and efforts to build a wall along the US and Mexican border.

    But along comes this story: Mexico is now building its own wall to deter contraband coming in from Mexico’s southern border with Guatemala. Here’s the story from the InterPress Service News Agency, with a Guatemala City dateline:

    According to the head of customs for Mexico’s tax administration, Raúl Díaz, in order to stop boats carrying contraband, the southern Mexican state of Chiapas is building a wall along the border river Suchiate, similar to the one the United States is building along its southern border with Mexico.

    “It could also prevent the free passage of illegal immigrants,” admitted the Mexican official.

    Read the whole story here.

    However you feel about how to address the illegal immigration issue, this story rankles, especially after hearing Mexican President Felipe Calderon’s remarks at the White House this past May when he reacted to the Arizona bil by saying, ”But we will affirm our firm rejection to criminalize migration so that people who work and provide things for this nation will be treated as criminals.”

    Here’s the YouTube post of Calderon’s remarks:

    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


    -The Gipper


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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargain" [Immigration Debate]

    http://www.thenewamerican.com/index....rrested-so-far

    Four people have been arrested in connection with the death of a U.S. Border Patrol agent who died this morning after a late-night shootout close to the Mexican border, officials said. At least one other suspect was still on the loose.

    The agent, 40-year-old Brian Terry, died this morning in a Tucson hospital after being shot last night. According to various reports, he was trying to catch “bandits” who target illegal immigrants crossing the border. Terry is reportedly the 111th Border Patrol agent to be killed in the line of duty since 1919.
    ....

    Agent Terry, who also served in the military and was a Border Patrol agent for several years, is survived by his parents and siblings. He was working with a specialized unit that deals with particularly dangerous situations.

    The fatal shootout happened about 10 miles north of the border near Rio Rico, a known hotspot for human traffickers and other criminals. Agent Terry was shot while trying to apprehend a group of heavily armed suspects who were reportedly preying on illegal immigrants trying to get across the border.
    Think something might get someone's attention?

    Sometimes I don't know what is worse:

    The scumbags who who run the slave trade, drugs and terrorists across our border or

    The scumbags who run this country who still stick their thumbs up their tails for a few f*king bucks and haven't really done anything about it.
    "We say in our platform that we believe that the right to coin money and issue money is a function of government....

    Those who are opposed to this proposition tell us that the issue of paper money is a function of the bank and that the government ought to go out of the banking business. I stand with Jefferson rather than with them, and tell them, as he did, that the issue of money is a function of the government and that the banks should go out of the governing business."

    William Jennings Bryan.

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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargain" [Immigration Debate]

    Quote Originally Posted by AeroSim View Post
    http://www.thenewamerican.com/index....rrested-so-far


    Think something might get someone's attention?

    Sometimes I don't know what is worse:

    The scumbags who who run the slave trade, drugs and terrorists across our border or

    The scumbags who run this country who still stick their thumbs up their tails for a few f*king bucks and haven't really done anything about it.


    Not to worry Janet Napolitano is on her way to regurgitate some more phony statistics and tell everybody everything is just peachy-keno.

    Keep your powder dry you might need it sometime.

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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargain" [Immigration Debate]

    ^^^ Ah yes, she'll fix it.

    With a press conference sans follow-up questions.

    Its the standard Obambi administration solution.

    Its really an ecological spectacle... regurgitate and recycle... very energy efficient stuff.

    The only question is, who's gonna get blamed and steam rolled this time?

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    Re: The Senate's "Grand Bargain" [Immigration Debate]

    ^^^

    The only question is, who's gonna get blamed and steam rolled this time?

    AeroSim...

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