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    Post The magnificient U.K. thread

    With the Middle East a clusterf...a mess right now, let's change pace up a bit and talk about our friends across the pond, the U.K.

    I'll start off with this delightful news:

    http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe...eut/index.html

    LONDON, England (Reuters) -- British Prime Minister Tony Blair plans to push through a new anti-terrorism law before he steps down next month giving "wartime" powers to police to stop and question people, a newspaper reported on Sunday.

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    The "stop and question" power would enable police to interrogate people about who they are, where they have been and where they were going, The Sunday Times said. Police would not need to suspect a crime had taken place.
    Spoiler!
    Promote then, as an object of primary importance, institutions for the general diffusion of knowledge. In proportion as the structure of a government gives force to public opinion, it is essential that public opinion should be enlightened.

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    Re: The magnificient U.K. thread

    This lovely piece of legislation from 2005:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prevent...orism_Act_2005

    It contains items like this:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Control_order

    The list of possible restrictions and obligations that can be included in a control order is long. It can place restrictions on what the person can use or possess, his place of work, place of residence, whom he speaks to, and where he can travel. Furthermore, the person can be ordered to surrender his passport, let the police visit his home at any time, report to officials at a specific time and place, and allow himself to be electronically tagged so his movements can be tracked.

    In short, it provides for a graduated scale of technological "prisons without bars" that are intended to work within the European Convention on Human Rights.[1]

    When the control order crosses the line and "deprives liberty", rather than "restricts liberty", it is called a derogating control order because it infringes Article 5 of the ECHR. This can only happen if there is a derogation according to Article 15, and the Home Secretary must apply to a court for the authority. Derogation is only allowed when there is a "war or other public emergency threatening the life of the nation".

    The ECHR states that the government cannot deprive any person of their liberty without due process of law. This process must include informing the person of the accusation against him, giving him access to legal assistance to prepare his defence, and giving him the right to have his case heard and decided in public before a competent court.[2]

    The government has claimed that the terrorist allegations against certain individuals are of such a nature and from such sources that they cannot be prosecuted "because that would mean revealing sensitive and dangerous intelligence".

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    List of restrictions

    * Possession and/or use of specified objects and substances.
    * Use of specified services and/or facilities.
    * Certain occupations and employment.
    * Carrying out specified activities.
    * Restriction on association and communications with specified people, or people in general.
    * Restriction of place of residence, and visitors to the residence.
    * Movements at certain times of the day, or to certain places.
    * Passport must be surrendered.
    * A requirement to admit specified persons to certain premises.
    * A requirement to allow specified persons to confiscate and/or scientifically examine any object on premises owned by the subject.
    * A requirement to allow electronic surveillance to be carried out and photographs taken.
    * Any other restrictions whatsoever for up to 24hrs, when it is deemed necessary.
    Yes, you read that correctly. You can basically be imprisoned without ever going to trial and you have no legal recourse simply because the government says that you are a "terrorist".
    Promote then, as an object of primary importance, institutions for the general diffusion of knowledge. In proportion as the structure of a government gives force to public opinion, it is essential that public opinion should be enlightened.

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    Re: The magnificient U.K. thread

    Maybe we should make this a Euro thread? Or should it stay U.K only?
    Promote then, as an object of primary importance, institutions for the general diffusion of knowledge. In proportion as the structure of a government gives force to public opinion, it is essential that public opinion should be enlightened.

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    Re: The magnificient U.K. thread

    Jeez. Some value in Euro....more inclusive ...but let the guys decide...Enmore...Wolf etc.




































    and the other socialist weasels

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    Wow jim,your a mod and your calling anyone who you THINK is a socialist whether they are or not a weasel.
    Laugh and the minute I call someone a fascist just a fascist without anything else I get an infraction.....

    I think im gonna give up on TLR,what a waste of time,hopefully other heads will realize this too and not feed the fire in here either.

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    Re: The magnificient U.K. thread

    Come on. Im goofing around. Wolf would know it and so would Enmore.

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    Ok ok,but the funny part is,are they even socialists?I mean is anyone whos not part of the centre right or right wing a socialist in your view?

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    I assume all Europeans are socialists by virtue of what their governments are about. Not the individuals that visit here...but its fun to bust them.
    You take me way tooo seriously. Ill tell you when Im serious.

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    Re: The magnificient U.K. thread

    If all Europeans are socialists, then all American's are trigger-happy cowboys.

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    Well?^^DRAW!!

    Come on. France. Socialist
    England. Socialist. All the others.
    Not like government isnt pushing all the buttons.
    The folks may not be a bunch of commies...but you see what I mean.
    Nanny states.

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    Re: The magnificient U.K. thread

    Quote Originally Posted by jimzinsocal View Post
    Well?^^DRAW!!

    Come on. France. Socialist
    England. Socialist. All the others.
    Not like government isnt pushing all the buttons.
    The folks may not be a bunch of commies...but you see what I mean.
    Nanny states.
    For christs sakes. Go to the hospital in England and cry about your crotch. [see rolleyes]
    Not to worry lady....well fix you up like a porn star. What color lips would you like?

    Wanta a "vagina from outer space" thats fine. Pay on your own. Dont dump the cost on everyone else.
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    Re: The magnificient U.K. thread

    France socialist?!?!?!?!
    England socialist!?!!!?!?!

    Ohh and dont get me started on healthcare......

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    Nanny states.
    Indeed

    Ohh and dont get me started on healthcare......
    Health care ill get ya started socialized health care sucks its ok if you need a wart removed or need a couple stitches that is if you don't mind waiting 12 hours to see the doctor.All this talk about the U.S doesn't have socialized medicine thats BS most hospitals in Indiana policy is if you don't have insurance they sign you up on a government subsidized payment program and in most cases you pay less than those like me that do have above decent insurance.Plus hospitals don't refuse anyone who needs life saving treatment nothing is free in this world and usually if it is it sucks health care is no difference.

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    Re: The magnificient U.K. thread

    Quote Originally Posted by /\/\adGamer View Post
    Plus hospitals don't refuse anyone who needs life saving treatment nothing is free in this world and usually if it is it sucks health care is no difference.
    This is exactly where US health care goes totally absurd: You can actually get e.g. a triple bypass surgery for free, but you won't get the medication to prevent you from needing one in the first place (if you're uninsured). Is that cost-effective?

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    Re: The magnificient U.K. thread

    Weasels? Definitely.

    Socialist? Blair's "New Labour" regime banned the 'S' word in the mid 90's in order to get elected. Scares the middle classes you see.

    As for the authoritarian measures by this government. It's just window dressing designed to make it look like they're tough and know what they've doing. In fact what they're doing is pissing into the wind.

    Control orders are a waste of time. Have a read of this:

    Control orders flawed, says Reid

    John Reid has said control orders are "far from the best option" to tackle terrorism, saying they could not stop determined suspects absconding.

    The home secretary was facing MPs in Parliament after three men suspected of wanting to kill UK troops disappeared.

    Mr Reid blamed political opponents and judges for stopping the use of tougher measures against terror suspects, and promised new measures within weeks.

    The Tories accused Mr Reid of failing in his duty to protect the public.

    But Mr Reid said that when he outlines new anti-terror measures he hoped there would be "less party politics" and more concern "for national security".

    'Not complacent

    He will outline those measures - which could form the basis of a new counter-terrorism bill - before he steps down at the end of June.
    Story continues:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6686415.stm

    BTW, he's stepping down in June because he and Gordon Brown hate each others guts and that is when Gordon takes over.

    Bear in mind that they'd confiscated these 3 scumbag's passports and they still managed to slip out.

    The bottom line is the complete lack of effective border security. They really don't know who's coming in or going out. They lie shamelessly about the numbers of immigrants because things are so bad. There is going to be so much civil disorder in the next few decades as a result.

    Remember that Brazilian they mistook for a terrorist and accidentally shot 8 times in the head? He arrived on a student visa, but overstayed his welcome (as so many do). In fact he even went home and came back again while an illegal! To me he was just another victim of our inept government.

    It was also the Blair regime that signed us up to the European Convention on Human Rights. This gives far too much power to our incompetent judges (who are not elected like in the US). The government has finally realised this and now want to water it down. Idiots.


    HOW SOFT JUDGES UNDERMINE WAR ON CRIME

    Friday May 25,2007
    By Leo McKinstry

    ACROSS our society there is a mounting sense of disillusion over the way Britain is governed. 

    A central cause of this is the arrogance of our judges, who seem to have forgotten that the primary duty of our courts is to protect the public.

    Instead, wallowing in their smug liberal elitism, the judges continually display contempt for the genuine interests of our nation. Rather than seeking to uphold the rights of law-abiding citizens, they show far more concern about criminals, drug dealers, illegal migrants and terror suspects.

    The judiciary should be one of the bulwarks of our civic order, strengthening the fabric of society and guarding us from those who seek to destroy our civilisation. Yet the modern breed of judges, filled with their fashionable theories about deprivation, multi-culturalism and human rights, have become the loudest cheerleaders for social upheaval.

    With an air of self-satisfaction, these over-paid, bewigged revolutionaries have undermined every attempt to crack down on serious crime or abuses in the asylum system or domestic terrorism. But inhabiting their narrow, self-congratulatory world, insulated by their wealth and privilege, they do not have to live with the consequences of their misguided decisions, unlike the public.

    Continues...
    http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/7950

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