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    Re: The magnificient U.K. thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Glyn_Mo View Post
    Ah ha, I see. It was actually built by the Americans. I suppose that's to be expected, given that Lockheed-Martin owns virtually the whole of the UK Nuclear Weapons industry along with the Trident submarine maintenance facilities at Devonport. The Trident missiles are maintained in the US. The warheads although produced by us, are still prOduced by a company which is a subsiduary of Lockheed Martin.

    An "independent nuclear deterrent"? I think not!

    For Chrissake, if we're going to spend all this money, why the hell can't it go back into the pockets of UK companies, providing employment and subsequent economic spin-offs for people here, rather than having it going abroad.
    Once all the drawings and machining programs are on the shop floor. Its just a case of following manifacturing instructions, its no biggy or US made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimzinsocal View Post
    This doesnt exactly belong...but maybe some of our Euro members will comment.
    From Prof Reynolds site

    A GERMAN BRAIN DRAIN: " For a nation that invented the term 'guest worker' for its immigrant labourers, Germany is facing the sobering fact that record numbers of its own often highly-qualified citizens are fleeing the country to work abroad in the biggest mass exodus for 60 years. Figures released by Germany's Federal Statistics Office showed that the number of Germans emigrating rose to 155,290 last year - the highest number since the country's reunification in 1990 - which equalled levels last experienced in the 1940s during the chaotic aftermath of the Second World War. . . . Fed up with comparatively poor job prospects at home - where unemployment is as high as 17 per cent in some regions - as well as high taxes and bureaucracy, thousands of Germans have upped sticks for Austria and Switzerland, or emigrated to the United States." Seems like the more socialist the country, the more its talented citizens tend to go elsewhere.
    posted at 01:37 PM by Glenn Reynolds
    German reunionfaction is the reason for the high tax, the old East Germany was very run down and must be costing a bomb to put right. There is also the falling number of Nato troops being based in Germany. When my old battlion left its posting in Germany, the camp was shout down then turned into housing for immigrants. Nato troops added to the German economy and didn't take their jobs. Immigrants took their jobs, housing and added nothing to what was all ready there.

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    Re: The magnificient U.K. thread

    ^^I wouldnt have considered that impact. Thats interesting to consider.

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    G8 post removed. See Orang thread

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    Brown plans new anti-terror laws

    Gordon Brown is planning a raft of new anti-terror laws when he becomes prime minister this month, it has emerged.

    He wants new powers for police and a fresh look at whether material from telephone tapping can be used in court.

    The chancellor also wants to revive proposals to increase the time terror suspects can be held without charge from 28 to 90 days.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6715885.stm

    The usual lack of acknowledgement that the real problem is all of their own making. No border controls, unchallenged immigration and the Human Rights Act.


    Most of the comments are interesting.

    http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thre...20070603115207

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    Fish tanks and iPods ... what MPs claim on their allowances

    [By] Holly Watt and Robert Winnett

    MEMBERS of parliament are using their taxpayer-funded expense accounts to buy iPods, plasma screen televisions and even, in one case, a fish tank, insiders have alleged.

    Finance administrators have been approving a wide array of executive gadgets despite widespread public concern about abuses of the parliamentary expenses system. MPs routinely claim thousands of pounds a year without having to produce receipts or other evidence that they have made any purchases.

    MPs have also remortgaged their homes to release thousands of pounds and then used their allowances to cover the repayments.

    The names of MPs who have received the extravagant items have not been revealed but one well-placed insider said: “There has been a successful claim for a very expensive, large plasma television and for a fish tank. After discussion among officials in the fees office, both were waved through.

    “Also, in the run-up to Christmas last year, a lot of MPs suddenly started claiming for iPods. The system really is outrageous.”

    An official review into MPs’ pay, pensions and allowances, due to report to the prime minister later this month, is now expected to call for a tightening of the expenses rules.

    Despite heavy lobbying from senior MPs, including Jack Straw, the Commons leader, the senior salaries review board (SSRB) is expected to call for a new “structure” for the payment of expenses to ensure that the necessary safeguards are in place.

    This weekend John Baker, chairman of the SSRB, declined to comment on his forthcoming recommendations. But he said: “We read about them [abuses] with interest and ask ourselves whether the structure of expenses is appropriate. We have received evidence on the topic.”

    The row over the £87m annual expenses bill erupted last month when MPs backed new legislation to exclude themselves from the Freedom of Information Act. MPs are currently blocking attempts from the information commissioner to force them to disclose full details of their taxpayer-funded expenses.

    Mark Hunter, a Liberal Democrat MP opposed to the new legislation, said: “It is public money and it should be accounted for. I don’t believe MPs ought to be exempt under freedom of information and I thought the vote was a shameful day. This is precisely the sort of thing that gives MPs a bad name.”

    An MP can spend up to £21,634 on the cost of maintaining a second home, either in London or in his or her constituency. This money can be used to pay almost all costs associated with running the home including furnishings, groceries, mortgage, utility bills and council tax.

    A further £20,000 a year is available for paying the costs involved in running an office. Plasma screens, iPods and fish tanks could come out of either of these allowances. MPs can pick up a staffing allowance of up to £84,081 a year as well.

    Last week The Sunday Times revealed that Derek Conway, a senior Conservative MP, paid his wife Colette £3,271 a month and his son Frederick £981. Frederick is a full-time geography student at Newcastle University.

    Several other MPs also employ family members, including David Cameron, the Tory leader, who has appointed his wife’s sister, Alice Sheffield, as his correspondence secretary.
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle1875531.ece

    One rule for them, another for everybody else. Time for a revolution I think.

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    Re: The magnificient U.K. thread

    It may not be perfect here

    But it's some demonstration of why I choose to live in the USA.

    Now, if we could get out of Iraq .....
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    Re: The magnificient U.K. thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Enmore View Post
    Talking of overspend, just wait for the 2012 Olympics. I was rooting for Paris for that very reason. I think Chirac played a blinder by insulting Finnish cuisine to deliberately lose the vote.
    And so it begins...

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/othe...12/6718243.stm

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    London unveils logo of 2012 Games
    The logo for the 2012 Olympics and Paralympics has been unveiled in a star-studded ceremony in London.
    The jagged emblem, based on the date 2012, comes in a series of shades of pink, blue, green and orange and will evolve in the run-up to the Games.

    The word London and the Olympic rings are included in the first two digits of the new logo.

    "This is the vision at the very heart of our brand," said London 2012 organising committee chairman Seb Coe.

    "It will define the venues we build and the Games we hold and act as a reminder of our promise to use the Olympic spirit to inspire everyone and reach out to young people around the world.

    "It is an invitation to take part and be involved.

    "We will host a Games where everyone is invited to join in because they are inspired by the Games to either take part in the many sports, cultural, educational and community events leading up to 2012 or they will be inspired to achieve personal goals."

    The new design, which cost £400,000, has received a mixed response, but Lord Coe was adamant it put across the image and message that he wanted the London Games to deliver to the world.

    "It's not a logo, it's a brand that will take us forward for the next five years," he told BBC Five Live.

    "It won't be to be eveybody's taste immediately but it's a brand that we genuinely believe can be a hard working brand which builds on pretty much everything we said in Singapore about reaching out and engaging young people, which is where our challenge is over the next five years.

    "If we don't that, then frankly the whole project is unsustainable."

    For the first time the same logo will be used for both the Olympic and Paralympic Games.

    Organisers hope the brand will boost the marketing push to raise £2bn to stage the Games and convey the message that London 2012 will be "Everyone's Games".

    Prime Minister Tony Blair said: "We want London 2012 not just to be about elite sporting success.

    "When people see the new brand, we want them to be inspired to make a positive change in their life.

    "London 2012 will be a great sporting summer but will also allow Britain to showcase itself to the world."

    International Olympic Committee President Jacques Rogge said: "This is a truly innovative brand logo that graphically captures the essence of the London 2012 Olympic Games - namely to inspire young people around the world through sport and the Olympic values.

    "Each edition of the Olympic Games brings its own flavour and touch to what is now well over a century of modern Olympic history; the brand launched today by London 2012 is, I believe, an early indication of the dynamism, modernity and inclusiveness with which London 2012 will leave its Olympic mark."

    The brand, designed by Wolff Ollins, has been targeted at the young people the organisers hope will get involved.

    It is a deliberate change from previous Olympic logos, which often feature an image from the city.

    Olympics Minister Tessa Jowell said: "This is an iconic brand that sums up what London 2012 is all about - an inclusive, welcoming and diverse Games that involves the whole country.

    "It takes our values to the world beyond our shores, acting both as an invitation and an inspiration.

    "This is not just a marketing logo, but a symbol that will become familiar, instantly recognisable and associated with our Games in so many ways during the next five years."

    British Paralympic Association chief executive Phil Lane believes that having one logo for both the Olympics and Paralympics is a positive move.

    "As the founding nation for the Paralympic movement it is fitting that Britain should lead the way in integrating the two Games," he said.

    "We hope that the brand will succeed in inspiring Britain's youth and Paralympic athletes to success."

    Plans have also been drawn up to create a different logo for grassroots projects backing the Games.

    It would not include the Olympic rings but would spread the benefits of hosting the Games to projects involved in its grassroots cultural, environmental and sporting work.

    A London 2012 spokeswoman said: "It is not going to be a free for all. There would be conditions to qualify for it.

    "It is not about giving it out to people so that they do not pay for it. It is about an emblem that could be a stamp of endorsement that really fits in with the legacy of the Games."

    London Mayor Ken Livingstone added: "The new Olympic brand draws on what London has become - the world's most forward-looking and international city.

    "That message of welcome and diversity was one of the main reasons for London's success in winning the Games.

    "We offer the world the same exciting message that in 2012 every athlete and every visitor will feel at home in our city."

    FOUR HUNDRED THOUSAND POUNDS OR ALMOST 800,000 USD FOR THAT?!

    Whoever's in charge deserves a Sadaam-style execution.

    I wouldn't have know the emblem was even based on the number 2012, if the article hadn't said so. I've seen better graffiti.

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    Re: The magnificient U.K. thread

    It's only taken a year to design, so go easy on them.

    And here it is in all it glory:



    Hideous or what?

    Some people have compared it to Lisa Simpson or a wonky pink swastika.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A23431826

    I would describe it as merely 'shit'.

    Can't say I'm surprised though. The same morally bankrupt, overpaid 'advisors' and stupid politicians that brought us the appalling Millennium Dome are back in business with the London Olympics. It was always going to be like this. It's one colossal boondoggle and that smug git Seb Coe needs a punch in the nose.

    I'm still gutted that we 'won' the bid.

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    Re: The magnificient U.K. thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Enmore View Post
    I

    I'm still gutted that we 'won' the bid.
    Never mind we still have a chance of losing all the events.
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    Re: The magnificient U.K. thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Enmore View Post

    That's the ugliest piece of sheet logo I've ever seen.

    Does anyone know what the crock-eyed little "diamond" in the center is intended to represent?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyR View Post
    Never mind we still have a chance of losing all the events.
    [government spin] Oh no no... Having the Olympics will inspire 'young people'. [/government spin]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutchcedar View Post
    That's the ugliest piece of sheet logo I've ever seen.

    Does anyone know what the crock-eyed little "diamond" in the center is intended to represent?
    The whole logo is supposed to represent the year '2012', but the designer was clearly on acid at the time.



    Snigger...

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06...c_olympics_cx/
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    Re: The magnificient U.K. thread

    Sheesh.

    The London Times reports that by the end of the year "Mohammed," in its various spellings, will be the most popular boys' name in Great Britain.
    Rounding out the top five are Jack, Thomas, Joshua and Oliver.
    Via Power Line News.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimzinsocal View Post
    Sheesh.

    The London Times reports that by the end of the year "Mohammed," in its various spellings, will be the most popular boys' name in Great Britain.
    Rounding out the top five are Jack, Thomas, Joshua and Oliver.
    Via Power Line News.
    What a depressing thought. But then I never see a muslim women here without a push chair and a couple more kids in tow.

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    Re: The magnificient U.K. thread

    How much does all the immigration and nesting bug typical Brits?
    I know you are different because we all know you to be a near fascist with
    your right wing ideology

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