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    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


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    How can anyone takes these ass hats serious? There is NO hope for these idiots.The best they can hope for is quick death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by /\/\adGamer View Post
    How can anyone takes these ass hats serious? There is NO hope for these idiots.The best they can hope for is quick death.


    Good roundup of recent events:

    Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center
    at the Israel Intelligence Heritage & Commemoration Center (IICC)


    I think it's very telling when the "supporters" for each faction are shown they are always armed and wearing masks. Must instill a LOT of confidence in the "government" among the populace. Frankly... I cannot tell the difference. Both groups look and act like terrorists to me. You will not see me shedding tears because they are killing each other for a change. best news out of that are in some time IMHO. Even though we all know when they are all done killing each other, they will eventually get around to blaming it all on the joo's or the US again.

    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


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    And... they're off... first out of the gate to blame the US... looks like CNN is beating Hamas and Fatah to the punch.

    Gaza — It’s All Our Fault

    Gaza -- It’s All Our Fault
    Blaming America on CNN is all the rage.

    By Victor Davis Hanson

    One of the more depressing things of being stuck in airports during East-Coast June storms is watching CNN and its parade of glib fools that appear hourly blaming (but, of course) the U.S. for the miasma in Gaza and the ongoing creepy Fatah/Hamas killing.

    I lost count of the various contortions. One talking head censures the Americans for not recognizing Hamas despite its refusal to disclaim its reason-to-be of undoing the Jewish state.

    Another cited the “culture of violence” unleashed by the U.S. (read Iraq) — i.e., apparently the West Bank was like Nantucket until 2003.

    Yet another lamented our support for elections that ushered in Hamas, as if the generic support for democracy makes us culpable for the odious government that the people freely chose to elect. (As if one who voted for such a terrorist clique would expect the United States to keep subsidizing it; as if one would have to keep talking to Hitler because he was once elected).

    And then, of course, was the most Orwellian of all — our failure to support (e.g., send arms to) Fatah! (Is a terrorist organization no longer a terrorist organization when it is one-upped by another terrorist organization?)

    An alien from Mars would almost instantly diagnose the problem of the Palestinians from simply listening to their inane apologists: The problem is not the acquisition of the final seven percent of the West Bank denied in the offer to them at Camp David, but the pathology of a victim culture, one that has learned, through playing the card of terror with simultaneous appeals to multicultural guilt, how to shake down Westerners for their money, attention, and pity.

    And now for the very life of it, it can’t figure out how to quit that lucrative habit — so much so that, teenager-like, it simultaneously seems to cry “I don’t want anything to do with you” and “I don’t want anything to do with you even more because you don’t want anything to do with me.”

    Never a word about murderers having free will and being responsible for their murdering — much less recognition that a culture that canonizes suicide bombers forgets that once they banish the rules of civilization there is no reason why such savagery would not be turned on themselves.

    The only interesting comment came from one “expert” who swore this wasn’t a civil war! — the type of Middle Eastern savant we have heard the last two years swearing that Iraq is torn by?

    A full-fledged civil war, of course.
    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


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    Watch out CNN.. competition at the bottom is fierce. The Boston Globe thinks it's the joo's fault..

    Boston Globe Blames Israel for Gaza Civil War While Praising Yasser Arafat

    Boston Globe Blames Israel for Gaza Civil War While Praising Yasser Arafat
    Posted by Noel Sheppard on June 14, 2007 - 13:30.

    As the Civil War in Gaza between Hamas and Fatah rages on (please see fabulous coverage on this by our friend at Gateway Pundit), Glenn Reynolds marvelously commented Thursday: ď[S]ince it's Hamas killing people, nobody will really care -- unless, ironically, they can find a way to blame the Israelis.Ē

    Well, as he pointed out in an update, the Boston Globe unbelievably published an editorial Thursday not only doing exactly that, but also longing for the peaceful days of Yasser Arafatís rule in the region (emphasis added throughout):

    The Hamas campaign to eradicate Fatah from Gaza is certainly not the sole cause of Gazans' misery. They long suffered from Israel's suffocating occupation, and then from Ariel Sharon's foolishly unilateral withdrawal in 2005, a move that allowed Hamas to bid for power with the misleading claim that its rockets and suicide bombings had driven Israeli soldiers and settlers out of Gaza. Gazans were victimized as well by the corruption and misrule of Yasser Arafat's Fatah cronies.
    Amazing. Yet, the Globe editorial staff werenít finished:

    The bitterness of the civil war that has forced the United Nations relief agency to suspend all but emergency deliveries of food and medical supplies is clear in the epithets the two sides use for each other. Hamas calls the Fatah fighters "the Jew-American army" while Fatah, alluding to Iran's backing for Hamas, calls the Sunni Muslims of Hamas "the Shi'ites."

    What looms ahead is a division between a Fatah-ruled West Bank and a Gaza that is already being called Hamastan. Arafat may be remembered today for his many failings, but the cardinal rule of all his exasperating deceits and maneuvers was to avoid precisely this sundering of the Palestinian national movement. Arafat understood that without Palestinian unity there could be no hope of an independent Palestinian state.
    Yes, that Arafat sure was a brilliant and compassionate humanitarian always concerned about Palestinian unity and an independent Palestinian state. Thatís why he rejected all of Ehud Barakís peace offers at Camp David in July 2000 and instead decided to start the al-Aqsa Intifada.

    Forgive me, folks, but the revisionist history being employed by the Globe is devastatingly disingenuous to the point of being sick-making.

    Suddenly, I need a shower, and my keyboard disinfecting.
    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


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    "Don't Shoot! We're Not Jews!"

    "Don't Shoot! We're Not Jews!"

    Definitely the quote of the day.

    "They're firing at us, firing RPGs, firing mortars. We're not Jews," the brother of Jamal Abu Jediyan, a Fatah commander, pleaded during a live telephone conversation with a Palestinian radio station.
    Minutes later both men were dragged into the streets and riddled with bullets.

    It's from the Telegraph, whose correspondent hunkered down in Gaza, Charles Levinson, has a blog that's become my new addiction.

    I'm getting kind of worried about him.

    Imshin, who turned me on to the new blog, nicely described the incongruity of the scenes on Israeli television yesterday.

    Images of masked men running in the street and shooting. And then people, with helpless bewilderment in their faces, going out and lying in the road, to try to make the masked men stop shooting.

    The pictures on the screen change. Now we see a shining Shimon Peres. The great man of peace is now president. He is celebrating his victory with one of his fabulous parties. The champagne is flowing.
    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


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    Gaza stripped [Mark Steyn]

    As far as I know, the UN, the EU and the Arab League have not yet found a way to blame the Zionist Entity for this sort of thing. But give them another day or two:
    Jamal Abu Jadian, a top Fatah commander, fled his home in the northern Gaza Strip Tuesday evening dressed as a woman to avoid dozens of Hamas militiamen who had attacked it. He and several members of his family and bodyguards were lightly wounded.
    But when Abu Jadian arrived at a hospital a few hundred meters away from his house, he was discovered by a group of Hamas gunmen, who took turns shooting him in the head with automatic rifles.
    "They literally blew his head off with more than 40 bullets," said a doctor at Kamal Udwan Hospital.
    Seasoned observers have been making droll cracks about a "two-state solution" - Hamas gets Gaza, Fatah gets the West Bank. But even that cynical jest is wishful thinking. The better bet is that the West Bank will eventually fall Hamas' way, too.
    This is the logical consequence of the fraudulence of "Palestinian nationalism". There has never been any such thing. There is no evidence anywhere in the "Palestinian Authority" that anyone there is interested in building a state and running it. In conventional post-colonial scenarios of the Sixties and Seventies, liberation movements used terrorism as a means to advance nationalism. By contrast, Arafat's gang used nationalism as a means to advance terrorism. With him out of the way, it was deluded to assume that the "Palestinian people" would stick with a bunch of corrupt secular socialists with little appeal to anyone other than French intellectuals and Swiss bankers. The Mahmoud Abbas types play well on CNN and in EU subsidy negotiations, but because "Palestinian nationalism" was always bogus it's no surprise that the population of Gaza would seek a real identity elsewhere. In the Islamism of Hamas, they have found it. And, if it causes problems for all those Arab League deadbeats who promoted the pseudo-struggle of the "Palestinian people" for their own ends, well, they should have thought of that before they loosed this particular genie.
    The question now is whether the Hamasification of the "Middle East peace process" will wean the Europeans off their fetishization of the Palestinians. Don't hold your breath.

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    Ace has it about right


    The MSM is determined that we should care as much as they care about what atrocities the muderous Palestinians perpatrate on themselves.
    Yeah. Good luck with that, boys.
    Charles Krauthammer said (on Special Report) that this is all a prelude to a two-sided war against Israel coming by the fall, the Iran-backed Hamas on one side and the Iran-backed Hezbollah on the other. And also that this is a big step forward in Iran's attempt to create a Crescent of Terrorism throughout the region, with proxy armies, terrorist organizations, and a state ally (Syria) all now its clients and satellites.
    Happy days.
    When do we start bombing?

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    Reading the responses of some like minded folks at LGF...

    Yeah, we should probably give them a couple of million in aid in order to develop the Palestinian territo...

    What? We already did that?

    Never mind. Carry on.

    It is all just so ... peaceful.

    You can just feel the compassion of Allah coming through these heavily armed members of a leading charity organization.

    Are those Compassion Jacketed bullets they are using?

    We need to send these men of goodwill and charity some aid and quick!
    I am encouraged by this. More, please. The sooner the entire repulsive so-called Palistinian "civilization" collapses to the point that not even Western Liberals can pretend it's salvageable, the better. It's like cracking the shell of a rotten egg.

    From the report:

    "Today was no day for the moderates..."

    I hate to be the one to break it to you, sister, but neither was any other day. Good grief, where do they get these idiotic reporters?
    See, now Fatah and Hamas need to just sit down and work out a 2 state solution. I'm sure it will work out fine as long as they are partners for peace.

    /Lib Irony mode

    Gee, I wonder where all the people who are bitching and moaning about how the US violates the Geneva convention have suddenly gone mute. Of course Islam observes the Geneva convention only when it is in their favor, never at any other time. Poison gas, execution of captured prisoners, etc. etc. that doesn't matter when its the other guy.

    The American left are a bunch of moral cowards.


    And not to mention all of the Middle Easterners who went nuts over Abu Ghraib. A naked pyramid in an American prison, quickly condemned by American authorities? Oh, the cruelty and inhumanity! Hamas executing prisoners as fast as they can, including tossing them off of tall buildings? Silence.
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    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


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    Iran must be jumping with joy at becoming an emerging major player over there.
    I would venture that Israel is dusting off some particular type of warheads
    right about now. Oh boy...

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    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6756079.stm


    Some opinion from the Editors:

    The Islamic radical group Hamas now controls Gaza, and it remains to be seen whether Palestinian Authority president Mahmoud Abbas can hold the West Bank. The Hamas takeover of Gaza is of the utmost importance. It means Iran has staked out yet more territory in the Middle East, and will embolden extremists around the region. It is another sign that the old-school secular nationalist radicalism of Fatah is in decline, pushed aside by the even more noxious radicalism of Hamas, the spawn of the Muslim Brotherhood. Israel will likely see stepped-up attacks from Gaza, which will become a terrorist training ground. And relatively moderate Arab governments have to fear the rising tide of Iranian-sponsored Islamists who will aim to topple them after they are through with Abbas.

    The Arab governments certainly realize this. As one observer says, "There’s a coalition of fear, but not a coalition of action." Instead of working to marginalize Hamas, the Saudis a few months ago brokered a power-sharing agreement between Abbas and the Islamic radicals that meant the PA president was coopted by Hamas rather than the other way around. Now, we see the bitter fruit of that deal. The United States must insist that the Arabs push Abbas — and support him — in cracking down hard on Hamas. Thursday, he dissolved the government and fired Hamas prime minister Ismail Haniyeh, steps in the right direction, but Abbas — whose fighters were marched out of a Fatah security building in Gaza in their underwear — has hardly been a pillar of strength.

    Abbas has to make a choice: to finally turn his back on Palestinian rejectionism of Israel and realize the threat to his society is from within, from the Islamic radicals with the guns. Of course, this is a path the Palestinians have been resolutely unwilling to take. Fatah itself has a terror arm, the al-Aksa Martyrs Brigades, and remains committed to the destruction of Israel. The Palestinians are in love with a cult of death. Two Palestinian mothers — one of them nine months pregnant — were just intercepted by Israeli authorities on their way to perform a suicide bombing, as apt an illustration of the macabre mania gripping this society as possible.

    Already, the Bush administration has been blamed for the budding civil war. It has supposedly ignored the Palestinians, creating the conditions for this outbreak of violence. At least this is a novel argument: Usually the U.S. is blamed when Palestinians kill Israelis (and the Israelis retaliate), not when Palestinians kill one another. Actually, the administration has been working to prop up the ineffectual Abbas. As for Hamas, no amount of aid or “engagement” would turn it from its maximalist goals. Where the administration can be faulted is in thinking a little over a year ago that an election featuring an armed terrorist group, in the form of Hamas, could be productive. Fundamentally, what is happening in Gaza is the Palestinians’ own tragedy, although it is one with far-reaching consequences.
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    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/cartoon/

    Quote Originally Posted by jimzinsocal View Post
    Seasoned observers have been making droll cracks about a "two-state solution" - Hamas gets Gaza, Fatah gets the West Bank.
    I've already seen Gaza referred to as 'Hamastan' and the West Bank as 'Fatahstine'.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamastan

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...061401738.html

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    You will not see me shedding tears because they are killing each other for a change.
    Indeed!I seen just on the news a spokesman for Israel said similar statements.These people deserve what they get after all they elected hamas and quite a few peeps seen this coming a long time ago. I figured Israel would have brought em down turns out they are a far deadlier enemy to themselves than Israel.

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    Moved from EU/Civil war thread..


    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf2000me View Post
    Most of their funding has been cut, the ones fighting are fighting over nearly nothing. That surely won't help in lessening the radicalisation of Hamas.
    Again, do not lightly haze over the BILLIONS of $$$ in aide already invested. Absolutely nothing to show for it. They continue to suffer due to their own stupidity. Do not try to pan their "radicalization" off as someone else's fault. They freely voted the "radicals" into office... ask Jimmay Carter. The effect with or without our $$$ is the same except when we cut $$, it is not our monies being used to buy weapons. I prefer the latter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf2000me View Post
    As long as they need to fight with and for nearly nothing they will continue their path in a worse severity.
    Why do they need to fight? Because Israel still exists? Too bad for them. I do not see the joo's volunteering to walk en-masse into the Med until their Yakima's float. They should be D@MN thankful the rest of the world has kept Israel from "eradicating" the threat from a neighboring country that continues to this day in it's daily attacks.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf2000me View Post
    I'd say that is still subjective
    Of course.
    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


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