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    Looks like all the SCOAMF's back door arm twisting failed.

    Breaking: Palestinians submit application for UN recognition

    So much for negotiation:

    Defying U.S. and Israeli opposition, the Palestinian officially asked the United Nations on Friday to accept them as a member state, sidestepping nearly two decades of troubled negotiations in the hope this dramatic move on the world stage would reenergize their quest for an independent homeland.

    Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas formally submitted the application for full U.N. membership after rebuffing an intense U.S.-led effort to sway him from the statehood bid earlier this week. …

    A top aide, speaking on condition of anonymity in order to discuss the move, said that in the letter to Ban accompanying the application, Abbas asks the U.N. chief to immediately send on the request for full U.N. membership to the Security Council and the General Assembly, which is likely to be asked to approve a more modest status upgrade if the bid in the Council founders as expected.
    The move comes as a rebuke to Barack Obama, who tried to warn the Palestinians that attempting an end-around on direct negotiations would carry significant political consequences. Abbas’ persistence appears to show that Obama has little influence on events in the conflict now, which may have its own repercussions in the US for his administration. Congress will almost certainly respond by suspending aid to the Palestinians, and Obama will have to decide whether to defy a bipartisan effort to punish Abbas for his actions.

    Realistically speaking, though, this won’t change much. Obama will be forced to veto this when it hits the Security Council; he has to hope that one of the other veto-holding nations to join him. He cannot let this go through the UNSC if he wants to win another term as President. Delaying it by sending it to a “study committee” is tantamount to an endorsement, and it would make a later veto even more explosive. Abbas could focus on a General Assembly resolution, but that has no legal force in international relations.

    Tony Blair was apparently impressed by Abbas’ strategy:

    Ex-British Prime Minister Tony Blair, now envoy to the group of Middle East negotiators known as the Quartet, acknowledged that Abbas had forced a renewed bout of activity aimed at restarting peace talks between Israel and the Palestinians.

    “If this is a tactic in one sense it’s worked brilliantly — people are focused now on what we can do to relaunch a negotiation,” Blair told BBC radio.
    The problem with this analysis is that it assumes that Abbas wants a two-state solution. The Palestinians have been repeatedly offered just that, only to not just reject proposals but negotiations as well. They want a one-state solution, and all anyone needs to do is look at the logo for the Palestinian permanent-observer mission at the UN to see what kind of borders they will accept:

    I’m with Mike Huckabee, who suggested yesterday that we should be encouraging Israelis to build more housing in Jerusalem in order to pressure the Palestinians to get serious about peace. If they want a state, they need to first accept Israel, and the logo speaks volumes about their real intentions.
    Hows this for a plan? Tell the Palestinians their lil grievance theater is going to lose all US funding (especially that terrorist funding laundered through the UN and given to their "charities") unless they acknowledge Israel's right to exist and agree to a 2 state solution by the end of next year. No agreement by Jan 2013... buh~bye US $$$.
    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
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    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


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    Another Friday nite news dump.. the gawd king bypasses congress to fun terrorists again.

    Friday night news dump: Obama bypasses Congress, funds Palestinian Authority

    Isn’t it funny what you can find out on Friday evening about what our executive branch does? For instance, Agence France-Presse reported last night that Barack Obama bypassed Congress to send $192 million to the Palestinian Authority, claiming that national security required the US to put money into Mahmoud Abbas’ pocket:

    President Barack Obama has signed a waiver to remove curbs on funding to the Palestinian Authority, declaring the aid to be “important to the security interests of the United States.”

    A $192 million aid package was frozen by the US Congress after the Palestinians moved to gain statehood at the United Nations last September.

    But in a memo sent to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, published by the White House, the president said it was appropriate to release funds to the authority, which administers the West Bank and Gaza Strip.

    In signing the waiver, Obama instructed Clinton to inform Congress of the move, on the grounds that “waiving such prohibition is important to the national security interests of the United States.”
    Congress deliberately froze those funds, and not just because of the statehood demand through UNESCO. Hamas, a terrorist organization, reconciled with Fatah and has rejoined the PA, which means we’re putting almost $200 million into the hands of a terrorist organization. The language of the Palestinian Accountability Act could not be clearer: “[N]o funds available to any United States Government department or agency … may be obligated or expended with respect to providing funds to the Palestinian Authority.” Obama literally waived that statutory language off yesterday afternoon.

    The Times of Israel reported on the official White House explanation of why Obama did so:

    The AFP news agency quoted White House spokesman Tommy Vietor as saying the $192 million aid package would be devoted to “ensuring the continued viability of the moderate PA government under the leadership of [Palestinian Authority] President Mahmoud Abbas and Prime Minister Salam Fayyad.”

    Vietor added that the PA had fulfilled its major obligations, such as recognizing Israel’s right to exist, renouncing violence and accepting the Road Map for Peace.
    Have they? They certainly haven’t done so since Hamas rejoined the PA in February. Hamas has refused to change its charter to recognize Israel or renounce violence, and certainly they have rejected the Road Map for Peace, which has been lying dead for years thanks to the PA’s refusal to seriously implement it. When Hamas broadcasts its recognition of Israel in Arabic — something that the PA has never done, to my knowledge — then perhaps the Obama administration’s claims can be taken seriously.

    Andy McCarthy calls this a “triple play,” and slams this claim by Vietor as fantasy:

    In the real world, the very immoderate PA has reneged on all its commitments. In addition to violating its obligations by unilaterally declaring statehood, the PA has also agreed to form a unity government with Hamas, a terrorist organization that is the Palestinian branch of the Muslim Brotherhood. The PA continues to endorse terrorism against Israel as “resistance.” Moreover, the PA most certainly does not recognize Israel’s right to exist. Back in November, for example, Adil Sadeq, a PA official writing in the official PA daily,Al-Hayat Al-Jadida, declared that Israelis

    “have a common mistake, or misconception by which they fool themselves, assuming that Fatah accepts them and recognizes the right of their state to exist, and that it is Hamas alone that loathes them and does not recognize the right of this state to exist. They ignore the fact that this state, based on a fabricated [Zionist] enterprise, never had any shred of a right to exist…”

    In sum, everything Obama is saying about Palestinian compliance is a lie. Even if we were not broke, we should not be giving the PA a dime. To borrow money so we can give it to them is truly nuts.
    The White House knows it, too — which is why we only found out through the Friday night news dump.
    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
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    Well the grievence theatre that is Israel's neighbor scored a "win" by being granted non-member "observer" state status at the U.N.. Never mind the minor detail that we really did not want them to... state still wants to reward them with a half billion of our borrowed money so they can continue to shell Israel.



    Oh, and that ooberdoober genius Rice could not even get France and Germany to back our no vote at the UN. The more I watch this clueless administration lead from behind overseas, the more I miss Bolton at the UN. Anyone else think it's time to stop funding these terrorists?

    The Palestine Mirage

    A futile U.N. gesture that violates the 1993 Oslo Accords.


    It was no accident that Mahmoud Abbas chose November 29 to seek a United Nations General Assembly vote recognizing Palestine as a state, albeit as a non-member "observer" state at the U.N. November 29 is the 65th anniversary of the General Assembly's Resolution 181, which partitioned British-Mandated Palestine into Jewish and Palestinian states.

    Assistant features editor David Feith on the U.N. General Assembly's vote to grant Palestine non-member observer status.

    The Jews accepted the Resolution; Arabs unanimously rejected it. It passed by a vote of 33-13 with 10 abstentions. Had the Arab world voted for the plan, a Palestinian state would be as old as Israel is today, and within larger borders than the 1949 Armistice lines that the Palestinian President now claims for his new, notional, "state."

    Yet if Mr. Abbas intended to acknowledge the Arab error in rejecting the creation of a Jewish homeland, it wasn't apparent Thursday. While he referred to Resolution 181 as "the birth certificate for Israel," he also spoke of the "unprecedented historical injustice inflicted on the Palestinian people since Al-Nakba [the catastrophe] of 1948." That would not have happened had the Arabs not sought to murder Israel in its crib by invading it.

    Nor did Mr. Abbas help his cause by accusing Israel of "ethnic cleansing," "an apartheid system of colonial occupation," "the plague of racism," and more. That kind of talk may work with the usual suspects at Turtle Bay who gave Mr. Abbas a standing ovation. But Israelis who spent recent days in bomb shelters while Iranian-built missiles were fired at them from Gaza probably weren't cheering. Theirs is the say that matters if a Palestinian state is ever to come into being.

    Those Israelis won't be reassured by the lopsided 138-9 margin of Thursday's vote, with 41 abstentions. In effect, the General Assembly voted to violate the 1993 Oslo Accords, which are the legal basis for Mr. Abbas's Palestinian Authority and require negotiations with Israel to create a state. When the world next asks Jerusalem to take "risks for peace," Israelis will know that countries such as France (which voted for the resolution) and Germany (which abstained) will not have their backs.

    It will be interesting to see if the Palestinians now use their new U.N. status to harass Israelis in venues such as the International Criminal Court. Such tactics are aimed at making everyday life increasingly unbearable for Israelis, ostensibly to force their hand on accepting a Palestinian state. Our guess is that it will have the opposite effect.

    As for the Obama Administration, it opposed the U.N. resolution but failed to get allies such as France and Germany to do so as well—further testimony to U.S. Ambassador Susan Rice's dubious diplomatic skills.

    A brighter spot is the U.S. Senate, where Wyoming Republican John Barrasso has introduced an amendment that would cut U.S. funding for the Palestinian Authority by 50%, among other measures. Somebody needs to send Mr. Abbas the message that there's a price to be paid for flouting his agreements with Israel and ignoring the pleas of the Administration.

    When the U.N. voted in 1947 for partition, the Jews of Palestine demonstrated that they were ready to create a functional state. On Thursday, the U.N. voted for a "Palestine" that has become a byword for political dysfunction, ideological extremism, and a preference for symbolism over pragmatism. The tragedy of Thursday's vote is that it will only encourage Palestinians to remain in their make-believe world.
    This is what takes place 4 years after our "reputation in the world is restored"?
    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


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    Oh.. and Cankles is doing a bang up job supporting our "allies" as well..

    Remarks at the Saban Center for Middle East Policy 2012 Saban Forum Opening Gala Dinner

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    So, look, I’m not making excuses for the missed opportunities of the Israelis, or the lack of generosity, the lack of empathy that I think goes hand-in-hand with the suspicion. So, yes, there is more that the Israelis need to do to really demonstrate that they do understand the pain of an oppressed people in their minds, and they want to figure out, within the bounds of security and a Jewish democratic state, what can be accomplished.
    . . .
    mean old jews not willing to kiss the arse of those who'd like to see them exterminated.

    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


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    So, yes, there is more that the Israelis need to do to really demonstrate that they do understand the pain of an oppressed people in their minds,
    How ••••••• clueless and ignorant can you get? Jews don't know oppression?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AMDScooter View Post
    .......The more I watch this clueless administration lead from behind overseas, the more I miss Bolton at the UN. Anyone else think it's time to stop funding these terrorists?..............This is what takes place 4 years after our "reputation in the world is restored"?
    1) Do you even need to ask?

    2) The "Restoration" phase of our "World Reputation" isn't quite finished yet - a second term project.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AMDScooter View Post
    Well the grievence theatre that is Israel's neighbor scored a "win" by being granted non-member "observer" state status at the U.N.. Never mind the minor detail that we really did not want them to... state still wants to reward them with a half billion of our borrowed money so they can continue to shell Israel.



    Oh, and that ooberdoober genius Rice could not even get France and Germany to back our no vote at the UN. The more I watch this clueless administration lead from behind overseas, the more I miss Bolton at the UN. Anyone else think it's time to stop funding these terrorists?

    This is what takes place 4 years after our "reputation in the world is restored"?
    Not happy about the cave-dwelling Palestinian terrorists getting granted observer status at the UN. Unlike Scooter and Steve, I don't really blame this on Obama. The US voted no, although they were barely the only ones. I guess it is a sign that the United States doesn't have the voting bloc they once did in the UN General Assembly.

    The fact that France voted "Yes" and Germany and the United Kingdom abstained from voting does not bode well. The European powers don't have Israel's back. God forbid, war breaks out between Israel and Iran, it could be the United States and Israel alone.
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    Hillary: Israel lacks generosity etc

    http://dailycaller.com/2012/12/02/hi...-palestinians/

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    ^ Those types of things don't get decided at the vote in the UN or anywhere else - they get brokered behind the scenes BEFORE the vote, the vote is just a formality. It's the behind the scenes lobbying and overall postition of power and confident stance of leadership that give influence - none of which Obama and his administration of Limp Noodles posseses.

    So, yes I do hold him and his cronies 100% responsible for the whole situation in the Middle East being in a deteriorating tailspin since he took office.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimzinsocal View Post
    Hillary: Israel lacks generosity etc

    http://dailycaller.com/2012/12/02/hi...-palestinians/
    Which is why the Missile Attacks of the past 40+ years against Israel are fully justified.....

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    Can tell how much work Bamma did in this area by the age of the last post. Too busy making sure Iran gets the bomb and paying ransom..

    Israel is the legal occupant of the West Bank, says the Court of Appeal of Versailles, France


    We'll see if "T" has any better luck at this mess.

    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


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    ^^^^ Well now Scooter, don't be too harsh on him. Only a little over 4 1/2 years.

    Let's see, about 7 years ago Obambi sent Hillary over there wearing her asskicking boots (very intimidating with here monstrous cankles) fully armed with $750M to give to the Palestinians. Then, a couple of years later, after Benghazi (when The Hildabeast went into here "Pre-Election" cool-down sabbatical) he sent John "Munster" Kerry aka Lantern Jaw over there to assist Iran with their nuclear weapons program......

    Then a couple of drone strikes.

    But, to his credit he did give the order to smoke Bin Laden - then turned around and flushed Gitmo back into circulation.

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    US quietly sent $221M to Palestinians in Obama's last hours

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...ast-hours.html

    In true Obambi/Kerry form they managed to secretly give a terrorist organization 221 million in taxpayer money in the last hours of their secretive administration. Millions more to globalist organizations... A******s to the very end...
    Thank A Democrat... Vote DNC

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    ^^^ There is no question the previous administration did their best to put distance between us and our allies and embolden our enemies. Cash seems to be the common form of payment bamma like to funnel to terrorists.
    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


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