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    Hmm, i'm not sure what the point of my rambling analogy was, it was early and I don't do mornings (yes, 11 is 'morning' for me) Anyway, the Wizbang article you linked seem to draw some far-fetched conclusions from a Boston article that, basically, just describes the history of a Palestinian deadbeat from a bleeding-heart liberal viewpoint.

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    Hmm, i'm not sure what the point of my rambling analogy was, it was early and I don't do mornings (yes, 11 is 'morning' for me) Anyway, the Wizbang article you linked seem to draw some far-fetched conclusions from a Boston article that, basically, just describes the history of a Palestinian deadbeat from a bleeding-heart liberal viewpoint.
    Fair enough

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    Quote Originally Posted by AMDScooter
    06-14-2007, 11:11 AM

    Even though we all know when they are all done killing each other, they will eventually get around to blaming it all on the joo's or the US again.
    Looks like the press beat them to it..

    Holiday Bush Derangement Syndrome: Crisis in Gaza All White House’s Fault

    American foolish enough to read anything by the clearly anti-Bush McClatchy news service were treated to an astoundingly disgraceful Independence Day gift Wednesday with an article that blamed all the problems in Gaza on – wait for it – the White House (h/t Dan Gainor).

    In this smear piece published on the occasion of our nation’s 231st birthday, the hits started right in the glorious headline: “How U.S. policy missteps led to a nasty downfall in Gaza; Plan to isolate Hamas boomeranged.”

    Isn’t that special? Alas, that was only the beginning (emphasis added throughout):

    Officials in the Bush administration awoke on the morning of January 26, 2006 to catastrophic news.

    Hamas, a violent Islamist movement whose charter calls for the destruction of Israel, had won Palestinian parliamentary elections — elections that were deemed free and fair and a cornerstone to President Bush's initiative to bring more democracy to the Muslim world.

    For the next 17 months, White House and State Department officials would undertake an all-out campaign to reverse those results and oust Hamas from power.

    Instead of undermining Hamas, though, the strategy helped to exacerbate dangerous political fissures in Palestinian politics that have delivered another setback to the president's vision of a stable, pro-Western Middle East.
    Fascinating. So, in order to legitimize democracy rather than undermine it, the Bush administration supported Hamas being involved in the elections. If they hadn’t, both American and international press representatives would have seen any government in Gaza as just being a U.S. puppet.

    However, the people in the region decided to put this terrorist group in power. And that’s Bush’s fault? Aren’t the Palestinians who voted for this murderous organization at all to blame?

    In McClatchy’s view, apparently not:

    As recently as March 2007, Jordanian officials developed a $1.2 billion proposal to train, arm and pay Abbas' security forces so they could control the streets after he dissolved the government and called new elections. McClatchy Newspapers obtained a copy of the plan. While two sources close to Abbas said U.S. officials were involved in developing and presenting the plan, a State Department official described it as a Jordanian initiative.

    Ultimately, congressional concerns in Washington and Israeli objections kept any significant military aid from being delivered, even as Israeli intelligence and the CIA warned that Hamas was becoming stronger.
    Hmmm. So, unnamed members of Congress, along with unnamed Israeli dissenters, blocked the Bush administration’s plans to fund the rival party of Fatah. As a result, Hamas got stronger.

    Yet, this is Bush’s fault? Wouldn’t it have been appropriate to identify which members of Congress thwarted the idea, as well as who within Israel balked at the military aid, and point some blame at them for the current situation?

    Or, would that be too much like journalism?
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    The exact reason I was not upset in the least when this terrorist apologist got nabbed... and look.. he's already back at it..

    Meshal: Johnston's release shows Hamas brought order to Gaza

    "I'm pretty sure that if Hamas hadn't come in and turned the heat on, I'd still be in that room," Johnston said.

    "Hamas has a huge law and order agenda," he said. Although the Islamic militant movement was controversial internationally, he said, it "is better at keeping law and order than many would agree. And God knows Gaza needs law and order."
    Law... order.. tossing fatwa members off tall buildings and killing infidels and j00s. What a swell bunch of fellas. Should have left this a$$hat with them.
    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


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    Rank ingratitude

    One for the scrapbook on ideological difference perhaps. Alan Johnston's kidnappers are aggrieved at his failure to thank them for their hospitality:
    "We used to give him everything he wanted," Abu Zobayer... said. "We spent £70 on his food every week. The Matouk restaurant [one of the best eateries in Gaza] got rich because we had to feed him."
    Johnston has said that he fell ill from the food he was served. Zobayer commented: "It's not our problem that we gave him everything and he only ate a little."
    Although they did not torture him physically, the kidnappers seemed to have no concept of the psychological torture they were inflicting on the BBC correspondent.
    "We had people with him all the time to try to help him to relax," said Zobayer.
    "We gave him a radio so that he could listen to his own channel. I myself sat with him to try to make him feel comfortable and feel that he will be released."
    Top food, your own radio, soothing companions. What, you want freedom as well?!

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    Take their spokesman.... put him in the room with a slew of armed Fatwa.... with food and a radio... see how "thankful" he is.
    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


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    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


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    Excuse me while I go locate my hankie to catch all the tears I am shedding for the "humanitarian crisis" in Gaza.. Another "crisis" they manufactured.. though I have noticed that the lack of fresh fruits is not keeping them from lobbing mortars into Israel. Let them eat dirt for all I care......

    Hamas bans Israeli produce in Gaza

    Hamas's Finance Ministry on Monday barred Israeli fruits and vegetables from entering the Gaza Strip on Monday, according to the spokesman for the Fruit Growers Association.

    The move is likely to cost Israeli fruit growers NIS 3-5 million a day, according to the association.

    The Hamas decision will also make it harder for Palestinians to keep fruits and vegetables in their diet, particularly those items not grown in Gaza, according to Shlomo Dror, spokesman for the Coordinator of Government Activities in the Territories.

    Upon hearing that Palestinian private contractors on the Gaza side of the Kerem Shalom crossing planned to adhere to the prohibition, Israeli businessmen did not send out the scheduled 60 trucks of produce, Dror told The Jerusalem Post. The fruit and vegetable ban is the latest in a set of anti-Israel moves by Hamas, including continued mortar fire on the crossing, to keep Kerem Shalom closed.

    On Saturday, Hamas spokesman Fawzi Barhoum said, "We are against opening the Zionist-controlled crossing of Kerem Shalom." He added that its use was part of a conspiracy by Israel and the pro-American Fatah leadership in Ramallah against the Palestinians in Gaza.

    But according to the United Nations, the use of Kerem Shalom and Sufa as alternative crossings has been a lifeline that has allowed the UN to provide food staples to 1.1 million of the 1.4 million Palestinians in Gaza.

    David Baker, a spokesman for the Prime Minister's Office, lashed out at Hamas's decision. "Israel endeavors to allow the entry of as much produce into the Gaza Strip as possible to alleviate the Palestinian situation. However, Hamas wants to exacerbate the plight at the expense of their own people by fomenting resentment against Israel."

    Fruit Growers Association director-general Ilan Eshel said the produce import ban was a loss for his market as well.

    "Returning the fruit to Israeli markets will cause a price crisis and huge losses to Israeli fruit-growers," said Eshel.

    The extra fruit will glut the market to the point where no profits can be made, said a spokesman for the association.

    "This is just a political move on the part of Hamas," said Agriculture Ministry director-general Yossi Yishai.

    "[Hamas] will not close the border to necessities such as milk and bread, but this move is just seeking to inflict as much damage as possible on Israeli farmers."

    Dror added that the Hamas ban, along with the mortars it fires against the crossing, did not, however, prevent other goods' passage into Gaza through Kerem Shalom.

    Israel and the United Nations have continued to help facilitate humanitarian aid, such as basic food supplies and animal feed, into Gaza via both through Kerem Shalom and Sufa. The Fatah-led Palestinian Authority in the West Bank has also assisted operations at Kerem Shalom, which was the main commercial thoroughfare until Hamas seized power in Gaza last month.

    According to Dror, an average of 150 trucks a day enter through Kerem Shalom and Sufa as alternatives to the Karni crossing, which has been closed - except to wheat shipments - since June 12th for technical and security reasons.

    Israel and the UN have begun to rely on Kerem Shalom and Sufa, which are easier to secure because they are slightly set back from the border. Even then, said Dror, there have been almost daily mortar attacks on Kerem Shalom, while according to Eshel, Sufa is not suitable for transporting most produce as the high levels of dust in that area could easily damage delicate fruits and vegetables.

    On average, approximately 500 tons of fruit, including bananas, apricots, plums and avocados, are moved into the Gaza Strip every summer.

    AP contributed to this report.
    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


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    The film The Road to Jenin, by French director Pierre Rehov, in which Australian aid worker Daryl Jones recounts how she came to Jenin to aid the palestinians, but later realized she was being duped.


    THE ROAD TO JENIN

    THE ROAD TO JENIN

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    Directed and produced by Pierre Rehov -
    Co-Produced by Michael Grynszpan
    English, Arabic, Hebrew and French with English subtitles
    52 minutes

    (abstracts from a CAMERA review)

    The Road to Jenin by French director Pierre Rehov, depicts a moral Israeli army fighting a just war against armed Palestinians in a hotbed of terrorism which spawned more than half the suicide bombings against Israeli civilians. Among the terrorists from Jenin, for instance, was the killer who took 29 lives in the Passover bombing of the Park Hotel days before.

    Israel initially took the dangerous step of sending infantry to fight house-to-house so as to minimize civilian casualties. After nearly two dozen of their own men were lost to ambushes, Palestinian snipers, and booby-trapped houses, Israel brought in bulldozers for use in a limited area, a step which led to the surrender of the Palestinian fighters. (No air attacks were involved.) Can these disparate accountsboth in terms of the facts of the specific incidents they describe, as well the bigger pictures they representbe reconciled ?

    Among the most disputed and misrepresented facts about the fighting in Jenin was the number of Palestinians killed and the extent of the destruction. Initially, Palestinian officials claimed that hundreds were killed in the "Jenin massacre." For example, then Palestinian Authority Minister of Local Government Saeb Erekat stated on CNN April 10, one week into the eight day operation: "Im afraid to say that the number of Palestinian dead in the Israeli attacks have reached more than 500 now." (See CAMERA On Campus Fall 2002 for an in-depth review of PA misinformation.) Later, when international workers investigated the camp and found no evidence of a massacre, Palestinian officials drastically lowered the death toll to 56, a number consistent with what Israel had estimated (Washington Times, May 1).

    Especially inflammatory was a charge by the director of the hospital in Jenin that Israeli tanks fired 11 missiles at the facility, destroying oxygen bottles, water tubes, sewage pipes, hospital wards, doctors rooms and an infirmary. "The whole of the west wing was destroyed," he testifies. "Fighter planes launched their missiles every three minutes." Yet, the only sign of any damage to the building is a piece of glass falling out of a window.

    While the casual viewer may suspect that hospital manager Dr. Mustafa Abo Gali isnt being entirely forthright, the extent of his deception becomes apparent in Rehovs Road to Jenin, in which Abo Gali is also interviewed. In that film, the hospital director shows the alleged damage as a result of 11 shellsa tiny hole or scratch on the outside of a building. Moreover, Rehov provides aerial images of the hospital on the last day of the incursionsurrounding trees, the roof and floors are all intact.

    Also, in Road to Jenin, Abo Gali claims that the Israeli army prevented all ambulances from reaching the hospital, insisting: "They didnt want people to get medical treatment." Again, the images show otherwise: Ambulances unload casualties by the hospital doors and IDF soldiers are seeing assisting children and the elderly to reach treatment. Dr. David Zangen, the armys chief medical officer in Jenin during the incursion, and Bakris leading critic, describes how the soldiers even treated Palestinian fighters, including members of Hamas. Finally, in Road, Abo Gali recounts that the 500 hospital occupants"wounded, sick, our team, mothers and children . . . we had no food left." Then Rehov cuts to a scene of an Israeli authorizing Abo Gali in person to receive anything hed like for the hospital, all except weapons.

    According to Rehov, fabrication is not an anomaly in Palestinian allegations of Israeli atrocities in Jenin and elsewhere. As international journalists made their rounds in the Jenin wreckage, residents often staged moving photographs: An old woman, sitting in the rubble, is coached: "Look at the camera. Look sad. Put your hand on your face to look desperate."

    Underscoring the Palestinian penchant for inventing "news," Rehov even manages to capture on film the manufacturing of a fictitious news story. On Jan. 25, 2003, he accompanies Palestinian journalist Ali Smoddi of the PA-controlled Jenin television station as he and his crew set out to interview a Palestinian man and his wife whose baby was just delivered by a doctor.

    At the hospital, Smoddis crew does several "takes" of the fathers account of the birth, each with a different spin. In one version, the father claims that the ambulance they intended to meet was held up at a checkpoint for 15 minutes, and he was forced to deliver his infant son in the car, as the ambulance had not arrived. In another telling, the father says: "The soldiers took me down to the ambulance to check my identification and my wife gave birth in the ambulance and went to the hospital." In each account, Smoddi prompts the father and makes suggestions about the events. Smoddi then prompts the new mother: "The tank stops you while giving birth. Youre alone in the car, talk about your feelings."

    Rehov also interviews Thaber Mardawi, an Islamic Jihad fighter in Israeli custody, who states: "I dont know why they [the Israel Defense Forces] sent the infantry [into Jenin]. They knew they would be killed. To see a soldier pass in front of me, Ive waited for this many years." He also discusses the kinds of explosives that the Jenin fighters used against the Israelis. (In contrast, Bakri includes only oblique references to armed Palestinians, which serves his agenda of portraying a U.S.-backed Israeli military force allegedly attacking an innocent population in a massacre worse than Vietnam.)

    Road to Jenin includes other revealing testimony. Australian Christian humanitarian volunteer Dalry Jones, who had initially been duped by Palestinian propaganda about Israeli action in Jenin, recounts how Palestinians displayed photos of bodies, "gouged and pitted, torn. We were told this is from torture from the Israelis." Later, when she saw a Palestinian child blow up in front of her face, she realized that the ripped apart bodies were the result of human booby traps that the Palestinians used against the Israelis.

    Rehovs clear purpose is to expose the inflammatory and defamatory falsehoods spread by a Arab propaganda. As such his film does not attempt to be an overview of the Israeli and Palestinian experience in Jenin or an exhaustive account of IDF conduct.

    Nevertheless, the information that Rehov does provide is based on interviewees who use bona fide images and documents to substantiate their claims.
    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


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    Awwww... how cute. A bumbly bee instructing children on the greatness of martyrdom. Parents must be soo proud... quick.. get a pic before she detonates herself on a bus.

    Nahoul the Bee Replaces Farfour - Hamas Mickey Mouse - and Vows to Continue on His Path of Martyrdom and Jihad

    Nahoul the Bee Replaces Farfour - Hamas Mickey Mouse - and Vows to Continue on His Path of Martyrdom and Jihad

    Following are excerpts from a Hamas TV children's show, featuring Nahoul the Bee, which aired on Al-Aqsa TV on July 13, 2007:

    Saraa, child host: Who are you, and where did you come from?

    Nahoul the Bee: I am Nahoul.

    Saraa: Nahoul who?

    Nahoul: I'm Nahoul, Farfour's cousin.

    Saraa: What do you want?

    Nahoul: I want to continue the path of my cousin Farfour.

    Saraa: How do you want to do this?

    Nahoul: I want to be in every episode with you on the Pioneers of Tomorrow show, just like Farfour. I want to continue in the path of Farfour – the path of Islam, of heroism, of martyrdom, and of the mujahideen. Me and my friends will follow in the footsteps of Farfour. We will take revenge upon the enemies of Allah, the killer of the prophets and of the innocent children, until we liberate Al-Aqsa from their impurity. We place our trust in Allah.

    Saraa: Welcome, Nahoul...
    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


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    Yesterday, Israel's defense minister, the new and improved Ehud Barak, approved electricity and gasoline cutoffs to the Gaza strip in response to rocket fire from Hamas and Islamic Jihad. This plan, which has been in the works for a couple of months, is really more intended on adding another layer of finality to the 2005 Gaza disengagement than it is on using electricity and gasoline disruptions as weapons in the fight against Hamas (I suspect it is also a means of forcing Egyptian involvement in dealing with Gaza, as well).
    According to the plan, one of the power lines connecting Israel and Gaza will be shut down at first for 15 minutes after a rocket attack, gradually increasing the cutoff length if the barrages continue, up to a two-hour limit. In addition, Israel will begin reducing the amount of gasoline it allows into the Gaza Strip.
    Lights out for 15 minutes! Jeez, what kind of sick depredations will these Zionist usurpers think of next? The various apologists for Palestinian terrorism have predictably come forward to condemn this thoroughly lenient response to rocket attacks on Israeli schools and towns. Foremost among them is Saeb Erekat, the loquacious, slick-tongued Palestinian negotiator who forever disgraced himself by helping to propagate the myth of the Jenin massacre in 2003. Erekat is appealing for international intervention and calls the threat of a few minutes of electricity cutoff "particularly provocative" — of course, don't wait around expecting to hear him characterize terror attacks on Israel that way. Erekat is upheld as one of the great Palestinian moderates, yet he hews to a long and shameful tradition of always defending Palestinian extremism, no matter how indefensible, only because it is Palestinian. Therein lies one among hundreds of reasons why Erekat's dream of statehood is as unrealistic today as it has ever been.

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    ^^^ Cut the fu*ktards off entirely and watch the world scream about the "humanitarian" issues while blatantly ignoring the incoming rocket attacks that prompt such actions. F-them...

    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


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    And when Israel responds with an airstrike... we all know what the AP/Reuters headlines will read...

    Palestinian Terrorists Firing Mortars from Elementary School

    Palestinian Terrorists Firing Mortars from Elementary School

    Fri, Nov 2, 2007 at 9:38:04 am PST

    Islamists at YouTube have succeeded in getting this video flagged as objectionable, showing Palestinian terrorists firing mortars from an elementary school building in Gaza. Meanwhile, a huge number of antisemitic and jihad videos continue to be available on YouTube without any restriction, despite being flagged over and over.

    VIDEO

    Just a few of the antisemites flooding YouTube with hate videos:

    zionistpigs
    cpotato2004
    JewBastards4th
    Tarekonline
    CubsWinBearsRule

    This is just scratching the surface of the hatred being posted at YouTube. It’s a non-stop flood.
    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


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    Quote Originally Posted by AMDScooter View Post
    And when Israel responds with an airstrike... we all know what the AP/Reuters headlines will read...

    Palestinian Terrorists Firing Mortars from Elementary School
    Brilliant. Now the accusation is that YouTube is pro-terrorist?
    Promote then, as an object of primary importance, institutions for the general diffusion of knowledge. In proportion as the structure of a government gives force to public opinion, it is essential that public opinion should be enlightened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orangutan View Post
    Brilliant. Now the accusation is that YouTube is pro-terrorist?
    Did you want to comment at all about Palestinian terrorists launching mortar attacks from a schoolyard?

    Or is your indignation and rolleyes restricted to LGF showing the trend of Utoobe their using the nerf bat on anything shedding light on Palestinian terrorists. While allowing terrorist propaganda go as a possible indication of bias?

    Rollem indeed.
    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


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