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    why the hell do ya'll advocate kapersky?

    it just got done getting all in a hissy fit about me trying to play a song in window media player... i clicked block (i did not click to create a rule), and now i can't use window media player


    shouldn't the damn thing know what's good and what's bad?

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    Re: why the hell do ya'll advocate kapersky?

    kaspersky is a bit more advanced, but its got the best detection rate that I know of. in your case, it would drop it and go with nod32 instead. kaspersky uses the nod32 engine, so you'll be well guarded. not to mention, its only like 12mb, and it hardly uses any resources.

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    Re: why the hell do ya'll advocate kapersky?

    What about using AVG? How does that rate vs Kapersky?
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    Re: why the hell do ya'll advocate kapersky?

    i've used symantec, norton, mcaffee, avg, and avast), and kaspersky and nod32(kind of a tie) are def the best antivirus proggys i have ever used. they both are small programs and use less resources than just about any antivirus, and both are very quick at detecting and scanning. both are updated hourly too, not daily or weekly. kaspersky is a bit more advanced than nod32, but nod32 performs equally as well. im a kaspersky/nod32 sellout.

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    Re: why the hell do ya'll advocate kapersky?

    Quote Originally Posted by cnstarz View Post
    kaspersky uses the nod32 engine...
    No it doesn't.

    Kaspersky and NOD32 are both good products - either will give you top class protection, although personally I believe Kaspersky has a faster response time and better overall detections.

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    Re: why the hell do ya'll advocate kapersky?

    better detections because it thinks everything is a virus?

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    Re: why the hell do ya'll advocate kapersky?

    Quote Originally Posted by greendragon View Post
    What about using AVG? How does that rate vs Kapersky?
    AVG doesn't rate badly for a free product, but it's not in the same league as Kaspersky.

    If you want to try a free product, take a look at AntiVir Personal:

    http://www.free-av.com/

    Now this has superb detection rates atm, dare I say it, but probably better than even kaspersky. However, the free version doesn't include spyware/adware signitures so you'll need an additional program like AVG antispyware to take care of that, or pay for the full version

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    Re: why the hell do ya'll advocate kapersky?

    Quote Originally Posted by old82 View Post
    better detections because it thinks everything is a virus?


    No, better detections because I do malware research as part of my job, and of the 20-50 new samples I see every day, only two products really stand out to me as detecting the majority of them - kaspersky and antivir. When kaspersky misses a sample and I submit to them, they invariably add a definition within 1-2 hours, Symantec/McAfee etc on the other hand normally send me silly emails telling me they don't detect anything with their automated screening or that I'm not allowed to submit more than 10 files a day... God help us

    Here's an example from something I came across yesterday and the results I got from VirusTotal:

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    Antivirus           Version         Update      Result
    AhnLab-V3           2007.7.7.0      07.06.2007  no virus found
    AntiVir             7.4.0.39        07.07.2007  Worm/Sdbot.508928.2
    Authentium          4.93.8          07.07.2007  no virus found
    Avast               4.7.997.0       07.06.2007  no virus found
    AVG                 7.5.0.476       07.07.2007  no virus found
    BitDefender         7.2             07.08.2007  no virus found
    CAT-QuickHeal       9.00            07.07.2007  no virus found
    ClamAV              devel-20070416  07.08.2007  no virus found
    DrWeb               4.33            07.08.2007  no virus found
    eSafe               7.0.15.0        07.06.2007  no virus found
    eTrust-Vet          30.8.3769       07.07.2007  no virus found
    Ewido               4.0             07.08.2007  no virus found
    FileAdvisor         1               07.08.2007  no virus found
    Fortinet            2.91.0.0        07.08.2007  no virus found
    F-Prot              4.3.2.48        07.06.2007  Backdoor.Win32.SdBot.bkq
    Ikarus              T3.1.1.8        07.08.2007  Backdoor.VB.EV
    Kaspersky           4.0.2.24        07.08.2007  Backdoor.Win32.SdBot.bkq
    McAfee              5069            07.06.2007  no virus found
    Microsoft           1.2704          07.08.2007  no virus found
    NOD32v2             2384            07.08.2007  no virus found
    Norman              5.80.02         07.06.2007  no virus found
    Panda               9.0.0.4         07.08.2007  no virus found
    Sophos              4.19.0          07.06.2007  no virus found
    Sunbelt             2.2.907.0       07.07.2007  VIPRE.Suspicious
    Symantec            10              07.08.2007  no virus found
    TheHacker           6.1.6.143       07.05.2007  no virus found
    VBA32               3.12.0.2        07.07.2007  no virus found
    VirusBuster         4.3.23:9        07.07.2007  no virus found
    Webwasher-Gateway   6.0.1           07.08.2007  Worm.Sdbot.508928.2
    Like I said, I see literally dozens of samples like that every day. No AV is ever going to detect everything, but I want a product that catches most stuff and responds FAST on the stuff it misses. I know which products I trust through vast personal experience

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    Re: why the hell do ya'll advocate kapersky?

    Quote Originally Posted by old82 View Post
    better detections because it thinks everything is a virus?
    ...and in your case, it didn't think Windows media player was a virus, it simply asked you if you wanted to trust the application and YOU said no. That's how proactive defense works... it relies on flagging potentially suspicious behaviour and warning the user.

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    Re: why the hell do ya'll advocate kapersky?

    ha, i know i read somewhere that KAV and NOD32 use the same engine, and now I cant find anything that says that. gg.

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    Re: why the hell do ya'll advocate kapersky?

    Quote Originally Posted by cnstarz View Post
    ha, i know i read somewhere that KAV and NOD32 use the same engine, and now I cant find anything that says that. gg.
    Well, if you did it was wrong

    F-Secure uses Kaspersky's engine, as do a few less well known products, but not NOD32. See how F-Secure detects that sample above with the same detection... if NOD32 used kaspersky's engine/definitions, they too would have detected it

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    Re: why the hell do ya'll advocate kapersky?

    Ned, thanks for all the info. I've just been using AVG for years, but not really checking to see if it was the best or how it ranked.
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    Re: why the hell do ya'll advocate kapersky?

    Quote Originally Posted by greendragon View Post
    Ned, thanks for all the info. I've just been using AVG for years, but not really checking to see if it was the best or how it ranked.
    No problem

    AVG isn't bad at the moment, especially when used in conjunction with their free antispyware app. A year or two back, AVG's detections were way too low for my liking, particularly on trojans/backdoors, which is significant as about 80% of all new malware during the last 12 months falls into this category. This fact alone made it very hard to recommend, but things have improved significantly during the past 6 months and at present I would say it's good enough for many home users that aren't at high risk.

    Any AV is only as good as it's last definitions and it's not a static marketplace

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    Re: why the hell do ya'll advocate kapersky?

    No KAV and NOD32 are not same engine, ZoneAlarm, AOL and other 2 are using Kaspersky engine - so Kaspersky and NOD32 are different type of engine, I used the KIS6 and about to get free upgrade to KIS7 next month (if you use KIS6 with activation code key then you get free KIS7 as upgrade) - both Kaspersky and NOD32 are best buy but KAV are fast scanning.

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    Re: why the hell do ya'll advocate kapersky?

    Quote Originally Posted by old82 View Post
    better detections because it thinks everything is a virus?
    Normally AV SW that have a constant high detection rate can have FP's. Avira have had small intermittent FP issues as well. You either take the now and then FP's, or the deep kernel root that would be Norton/McAfee. A blend of the two types (FP's or deep root) would be F Secure. Better to have a few FP's and a very high detection rate then low detection (unless you augment with online scans). What AV you use and how successful it is or is not has a lot to do with how the user sets up browser permissions, surfs, downloads, sets OS permissions, monitors running processes, and locks down the OS.

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