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  1. #31
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    Re: No MSM bias to see here... move along..

    Save a few really talented writers and the Times is best suited to become insulation.

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    Re: No MSM bias to see here... move along..

    Quote Originally Posted by jimzinsocal View Post
    Save a few really talented writers and the Times is best suited to become insulation.
    Very few IMHO. The only place I see the NYT making any sales is Starbucks when I cannot locate a Peet's for my java fix. Just hysterical to see them concerned about objectivity... it's about the height of hypocrisy. That they can even put that drivel to print without it catching fire immediately is some sort of miracle...lol
    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


    -The Gipper


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    Re: No MSM bias to see here... move along..

    ^^The Times is playing a "position" sort of game.
    They are trying to maintain the illusion that they are the "final word" on all things.
    They dont seem to realize they are the Titanic of the old media
    and their credibility is sinking faster than the actual boat.

    Either they change or they will be underwater and still telling passengers to
    not get rattled about the lack of lifeboats.
    Glub glub.

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    Re: No MSM bias to see here... move along..

    Quote Originally Posted by jimzinsocal View Post
    ^^The Times is playing a "position" sort of game.
    They are trying to maintain the illusion that they are the "final word" on all things.
    They dont seem to realize they are the Titanic of the old media
    and their credibility is sinking faster than the actual boat.

    Either they change or they will be underwater and still telling passengers to
    not get rattled about the lack of lifeboats.
    Glub glub.
    Yup.. it's funny to see them still seeing themselves in any sort of position to claim "referee" like privileges over the media. It's almost as if they are having a conversation with themselves. I just cannot get over this being printed from a newspaper whose blatantly liberal bias has driven it's stock value || far from junk status.
    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


    -The Gipper


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    Re: No MSM bias to see here... move along..



    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


    -The Gipper


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    Re: No MSM bias to see here... move along..

    The republicans get to lie and distort, all they want on the litany of radio and television programs that were given to them to spout their b.s. We need the fairness doctrine because o'reilly or limbaugh can take something someone said, and take it out of context, outright lie about it, and the person can do nothing to defend it. And that isn't right.

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    Re: No MSM bias to see here... move along..

    Quote Originally Posted by Computerwiz View Post
    The republicans get to lie and distort, all they want on the litany of radio and television programs that were given to them to spout their b.s. We need the fairness doctrine because o'reilly or limbaugh can take something someone said, and take it out of context, outright lie about it, and the person can do nothing to defend it. And that isn't right.
    And the leftist MSM Never does any of that.... **cough**Plame**cough**Economy**cough** So much for the 1st amendment. Guess it only need apply when it's convenient....
    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


    -The Gipper


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    Re: No MSM bias to see here... move along..

    Sorry, but the media could be pinned from both the right and the left. That doesen't mean we shouldn't have the fairness doctrine which allows people to defend themselves when they are slammed on air, especially when it's based upon lies, and distortion, which happens all the time every day in right wing radio and television. People should be given a chance to defend themselves, and the only reason republicans are against it is because they'd be no longer given free reign to shit on anyone they want in the media without being called out for it. I mean come on how can you defend something like this!!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCDkC-Ce56Mt

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    Re: No MSM bias to see here... move along..

    Quote Originally Posted by Computerwiz View Post
    That doesen't mean we shouldn't have the fairness doctrine which allows people to defend themselves when they are slammed on air, especially when it's based upon lies, and distortion, which happens all the time every day in right wing radio and television.
    What part of the fairness doctrine forces a media outlet to allow someone to defend themselves when they're "slammed"?

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    Re: No MSM bias to see here... move along..

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutchcedar View Post
    What part of the fairness doctrine forces a media outlet to allow someone to defend themselves when they're "slammed"?
    Well as I understand, equal air time is offered. I may not be for the fairness doctrine as to how it portrays itself, I don't know - but what I am for the idea of people being able to defend themselves, and in part I believe that is the point of it. And that is what I am for,

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    Re: No MSM bias to see here... move along..

    From rolleyes

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutchcedar View Post
    A Hoekstra smack-down of the NYTimes... http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=21855
    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


    -The Gipper


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    Gotta love this post at Huffpo... apparently our bloodthirsty troops killed 32 Iraqis. Oh.. whats that.. they were terrorists...?? Why would mentioning that be important??



    "US, Iraqi Forces Kill 30 Iranian-Backed Special Groups Operatives"

    Iraqi and US security forces maintain the pressure on the Shia terror groups while continuing the hunt for al Qaeda in Iraq. A joint Iraqi and US forces conducted a raid inside Sadr City on Wednesday, killing 30 members of the Iranian-backed Special Groups cells and capturing 12. The strike force was targeting a "cell of a Special Groups terrorist network known for facilitating the transport of weapons and explosively formed penetrators, or EFPs, from Iran to Iraq, as well as bringing militants from Iraq into Iran for terrorist training," according to the Multinational Forces Iraq press release.

    "The targeted individual in last night’s raid acts as a proxy between the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps-Qods Force and the Iraqi EFP network," and "assists with the facilitation of weapons and EFP shipments into Iraq as well as the transfer of militant extremists to Iran for training." Two Special Groups operatives were killed and 12 captured during the initial raid, and Coalition air power was called in to strike at a large group of fighters moving in "on foot attempting an assault on the ground forces." Thirty Special Groups fighters, who are closely affiliated with the "rogue Mahdi Army" factions, were estimated to be killed in the airstrike.
    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


    -The Gipper


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    Re: No MSM bias to see here... move along..

    MM on the NYT's helpful to terrorists tips..

    NYTimes blogger: Let’s play terrorist!

    From comments:

    I respect your question, but frankly what difference will the answer make to the New York Times? Regardless of the consequences, they have chosen defeat in the war on terrorism and defeat in Iraq because, at least in their view, it gives some liberal Democrat a shot at the White House. I am not a relative of those lost in the 9/11 attacks, but I am personally, intimately, and permanently involved in the war. I returned from Iraq seven months ago after suffering injuries at the hands of those emboldened by American publications such as the New York Times.

    A better question is: Why is it now taboo to question the patriotism and loyalty of our fellow citizens when their actions are an obvious boon to the enemy? Or: When do people like Mr. Levitt begin to grasp the consequences wrested from their 15 minutes of fame?

    I will live, enjoy the comforts of family and life, but some of my friends and many, many Iraqis who have placed their futures and lives in our hands will not.

    Your question to the friends and relatives of the deceased is, “How does this make you feel?” A better question is, “Why is this still happening?”
    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


    -The Gipper


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    Re: No MSM bias to see here... move along..

    Nothing to see here... move along....

    US public sees news media as biased, inaccurate, uncaring: poll

    More than half of Americans say US news organizations are politically biased, inaccurate, and don't care about the people they report on, a poll published Thursday showed.

    And poll respondents who use the Internet as their main source of news -- roughly one quarter of all Americans -- were even harsher with their criticism, the poll conducted by the Pew Research Center said.

    More than two-thirds of the Internet users said they felt that news organizations don't care about the people they report on; 59 percent said their reporting was inaccurate; and 64 percent they were politically biased.

    More than half -- 53 percent -- of Internet users also faulted the news organizations for "failing to stand up for America".


    Among those who get their news from newspapers and television, criticism of the news organizations was up to 20 percentage points lower than among Internet news audiences, who tend to be younger and better educated than the public as a whole, according to Pew.

    The poll indicates an across the board fall in the public's opinion on the news media since 1985, when a similar survey was conducted by Times Mirror, Pew Research said.

    "Two decades ago, public attitudes about how news organizations do their job were less negative. Most people believed that news organizations stood up for America... a majority believed that news organizations got the facts straight," Pew said in a report.

    The Washington-based Pew Research Center describes itself as a nonpartisan "fact tank" that provides information on the issues, attitudes and trends shaping America and the world.
    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


    -The Gipper


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    Not bias.. but funny... and reinforces why people do not trust the MSM. Fact checked by a 13yr old...

    Reuters gets that sinking feeling

    News agency Reuters has been forced to admit that footage it released last week purportedly showing Russian submersibles on the seabed of the North Pole actually came from the movie Titanic.

    The images were reproduced around the world - including by the Guardian and Guardian Unlimited - alongside the story of Russia planting its flag below the North Pole on Thursday last week.

    But it has now emerged that the footage actually showed two Finnish-made Mir submersibles that were employed on location filming at the scene of the wreck of the RMS Titanic ship in the north Atlantic some 10 years ago.

    This footage was used in sequences in James Cameron's 1997 blockbuster about the 1912 disaster.

    The mistake was only revealed after a 13-year-old Finnish schoolboy contacted a local newspaper to tell them the images looked identical to those used in the movie.

    Reuters has admitted that it took the images from Russian state television channel RTR and wrongly captioned them as file footage originating from the Arctic.

    RTR had also used the footage to illustrate stories about the North Pole expedition, but it is thought as library footage, and it never claimed it was actually of the flag-planting.

    The pictures were first broadcast by RTR when the Russians were still several hours away from the North Pole.

    Reuters distributed a package of clips that included the scenes from Titanic, alongside computer animations and footage of ships on the surface at the North Pole.

    In its piece on the subject, two of the four Reuters pictures were from the Titanic filming.

    Reuters has now apologised for the error and has made changes to its video material on the expedition, with captions denoting the various origins of the file footage used.

    In a statement, Reuters said: "On August 2, 2007 in a TV story about two Russian submersibles planting a flag on the seabed under the North Pole, we used file shots of MIR submersibles as part of this story.

    "Reuters mistakenly identified this file footage as originating from the Arctic, and not the North Atlantic where the footage was shot.

    "This footage was taken during the search for the Titanic and copyright is held by Russian State broadcaster RTR.

    "This location error was corrected as soon as it was brought to our attention. A still image of the submersibles was also taken from the footage and put out on the Reuters photo wire. The caption has been corrected."

    The incident is doubly embarrassing for the agency since it follows a case in August last year in which it published an image by a freelancer of Israeli bombings in Lebanon that had been dramatised using photo manipulation, with the addition of smoke rising from allegedly burning buildings.

    After that gaffe, Reuters promised to tighten up its controls on material being put out in its name.

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    "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us...
    Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business."


    -The Gipper


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