Economic News/Discussion

[watertown28]

I'm not here to argue, I only responded to the post and link. I'm all for giving something a chance and waiting to evaluate when data is in. Some people are quick to the draw.

well we shall see how much you like for your taxes to go up bud As you recall BO told america that he would not raise taxes one cent on middle america! Guess what...they are "exploring" the idea , which in political talk means its gonna happen. Enjoy your tax hike!

[tucker]

And more sustained funds on the way. I was on the fence about this, but if consumer spending has allowed the US Auto industry to get a boost based on those dismal trends, that also means less unemployment checks going out. Dealers have been in layoff mode in this region. All in less than the projected 3 months as originally stated by Edmunds, too.

The really great thing is it only cost the taxpayers an additional billion dollars added to the 70 billion the auto industry has already soaked the taxpayers for. Do you think there will ever come a day when Government Motors doesn’t need taxpayer money to survive? I don’t.

It’s just a temporary fix unless the government makes it a year round program.

[AeroSim]

Huh?

http://www.dakotavoice.com/2009/08/c...ip-of-your-pc/

When you input your information to take advantage of the CARS taxpayer fleecing, at some point in the application and confirmation process, a notice pops up:

“This application provides access to the DoT CARS system. When logged on to the CARS system, your computer is considered a Federal computer system and is the property of the U.S. government. Any or all uses of this system and all files on this system may be intercepted, monitored, recorded, copied, audited, inspected and disclosed to authorized CARS, DoT, and law enforcement personnel, as well as authorized officials of other agencies, both domestic and foreign.”

Now doesn’t that just make you feel special?

I thought this was just right-wing jingoism, but I'm sort of surprised Scooter didn't get a hold of this one first-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqfuZ7hiap0

Frankly, I haven't had to go here, so has anyone else done this yet? I don't like a lot of these sites, but a friend told me about this one.

ADDED: I also don't think the government uses this as opportunity put permanent spyware onto you machine and only monitors interaction while at the site. I think that is something many sites do in commerce as well.

[otoc]

Huh?

http://www.dakotavoice.com/2009/08/c...ip-of-your-pc/


I thought this was just right-wing jingoism, but I'm sort of surprised Scooter didn't get a hold of this one first-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqfuZ7hiap0

Frankly, I haven't had to go here, so has anyone else done this yet? I don't like a lot of these sites, but a friend told me about this one.

ADDED: I also don't think the government uses this as opportunity put permanent spyware onto you machine and only monitors interaction while at the site. I think that is something many sites do in commerce as well.

Check out the entire segment instead of the edited one.


0:50----"the dealer goes to cars.gov..."

Then the fear cycle goes to scaring people? geez.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/20...ontrol-your-PC

[ablaca66]

Check out the entire segment instead of the edited one.


0:50----"the dealer goes to cars.gov..."

Then the fear cycle goes to scaring people? geez.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/20...ontrol-your-PC

Before you play the video of Glenn Beck's latest loony-tunes conspiracy theory, keep in mind that it's totally nuts.

[ablaca66]

Whenever I want to yell at the TV or have a good laugh, I watch Glenn Beck. For every good point he makes, he screws another.

[tucker]

Has anybody tried it?

Kos is less reputable than beck.

[ablaca66]

Has anybody tried it?

Kos is less reputable than beck.

Yes...

It never happened to me.

[Dutchcedar]

Have ya seen Beck's bit where he wears lederhosen?

Too funny.

We wore them as kids...

[tucker]

Yes...

It never happened to me.

Thanks

I wouldn’t expect anything else.

[SteveW]

.....The cash4clunkers fiasco..

Cash for Clunkers May Cost Up to $45,354 Per Vehicle

My my what have we here? Let me guess, smells like another government sponsored clusterphuk. Why, I believe it is.

[falcon_view]

Check out the entire segment instead of the edited one.


0:50----"the dealer goes to cars.gov..."

Then the fear cycle goes to scaring people? geez.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/20...ontrol-your-PC

Read people

"WHEN LOGGED ON" to the CARS system (USING THE GOVERNMENT'S SOFTWARE), your computer is considered a federal computer system and is the property of the U.S. Government.

Kimberly and Glenn were talking about cookies and spy-ware the gov could put on your computer. How hard is such things to get rid of? How about deleting cookies and internet files. That should take care of about everything and then use your spy-ware programs to look for anything else.
This show was nothing more than to scare the crap out of dummies. If you own or use a computer the above is very basic need to know. Then if you are still scared sh&tless setup a cheap computer used "only" for this program.

I got a call to listen to Rushboy and it was worse than Beck and Kim. Rushboy went even further by saying dealer's computer is considered gov property and when linking to other computer systems those systems could be considered the gov's property as well.

[AMDScooter]

If you think it is a fiasco, could you supply the background data used to get the Edmund number of 200k cars normally traded in? And perhaps the normal number of high mileage cars trashed for that was another goal of this program. You know, to reduce consumption?

bleh.. bleh.. bleh..

I know it goes against liberal obamabots like yourself "logic" to call the program a fiasco for several reasons. You seem quite content that they burned through 1Billion of our tax dollars already and I can see you are equally excited they are about to toss another couple of billion of our tax dollars at this mess. I simply disagree.

The day it makes sense to me to pay people our tax dollars..
to destroy perfectly good vehicles..
to support an industry that we already own having already given them tens of billions of our tax dollars..
to make sure overpaid union workers can maintain their jobs..
I'll simply end myself.

This program is the height of stupidity IMHO. We already own the car companies. We're not even sure what the end cost of that sinkhole will be. Kiss the billions we've already paid because the messiah told us that bankruptcy would be disaster (just before letting them file for bankruptcy) goodbye.

So what do we have here? We pay tax dollars to the auto companies to keep them afloat AND we pay tax dollars to get people to buy their cars. GENIUS!

I've got a better idea. Lets cut out the middle men... the consumers. And we can save all the engineering costs for the new pelosi/Reid/Obama designed crapmobiles no one will want anyway to boot!

Let's simply continue to build SUV's by the thousands. They can go right off the assembly line into the crusher. The gubberment (ie: that bottomless liberal supply of ca$h) will buy every one outright at a price negotiated by the unions & Obama. It'll prolly cost us 6 figures for every vehicle. But hey, it'll eliminate those paperwork hassles and having to compete with those pesky profitable auto makers. JOBS WILL BE SAVED OR CREATED! Fewer unemployment checks will go out! And fuel consumption will statistically be lowered pleasing MMGW moonbats because all those 33bil SUV's will be kept off the road! WIN... WIN... WIN...!! Why heck.. every business should have this business model as their roadmap to successs...

Nevermind. I'll simply go on with the apparently unpopular to liberal democrats notion that the gubberment doling out tax dollars to keep an industry afloat and also doling out tax dollars to get people to buy the products from that same industry is a f*cking ridiculous economic disaster in the making.

[AMDScooter]

Keep printing them greenbacks...

AP ENTERPRISE: Federal tax revenues plummeting

[otoc]

I know it goes against liberal obamabots like yourself "logic" to call the program a fiasco for several reasons. You seem quite content that they burned through 1Billion of our tax dollars already and I can see you are equally excited they are about to toss another couple of billion of our tax dollars at this mess. I simply disagree.

Yiu didn't simply disagree, you posted a terrible point by way of alpha, and I rebutted it for using Edmunds as a source and then using koolaid math to more than double the original premise so you could post a title with an outrageous number of $45,000 per car sold to belittle our elected president with viral propaganda in typlical obamanot rhetoric.

The day it makes sense to me to pay people our tax dollars..
to destroy perfectly good vehicles..
to support an industry that we already own having already given them tens of billions of our tax dollars..
to make sure overpaid union workers can maintain their jobs..
I'll simply end myself.

lol, it seems that day has come...

Seriously, this is different than the tax breaks you wish for or pointed extensions for unemployment benefits?

On one hand the issue is the economy and the auto industry is part of it. By all accounts this has primed the pump for many reasons and not doing anything would have done what?

This program is the height of stupidity IMHO. We already own the car companies. We're not even sure what the end cost of that sinkhole will be. Kiss the billions we've already paid because the messiah told us that bankruptcy would be disaster (just before letting them file for bankruptcy) goodbye.

Bankruptcy was called for by many on all sides of the equation. The initial small floats allowed a planned course of action that included lowering the pay to those unions you poked at, as well as changing the direction of the american industry that was pulling the economy down. What you don't mention is that the numbers being reported show a concise effect to the purpose at hand. To shift the trend of sales, allow american workers to retain jobs, to get sales to cause consumer dollars to change the both the direction of the GDP and revenues coming into local and state coffers.

So what do we have here? We pay tax dollars to the auto companies to keep them afloat AND we pay tax dollars to get people to buy their cars. GENIUS!

You said that a few times in obamanot fashion. What we have here is a program that by all accounts has done what it set out to do. Bring people back out to the stores, get people to buy American in greater numbers than foreign goods, reduce oil consumption, save jobs, save the investment made into the auto industry...

...and what would doing nothing actually do other than to allow you to post more obamanot viral messages like the $45,000 nonsense?

I've got a better idea. Lets cut out the middle men... the consumers. And we can save all the engineering costs for the new pelosi/Reid/Obama designed crapmobiles no one will want anyway to boot!

I'll stick with this program thank you very much.

Let's simply continue to build SUV's by the thousands. They can go right off the assembly line into the crusher. The gubberment (ie: that bottomless liberal supply of ca$h) will buy every one outright at a price negotiated by the unions & Obama. It'll prolly cost us 6 figures for every vehicle. But hey, it'll eliminate those paperwork hassles and having to compete with those pesky profitable auto makers. JOBS WILL BE SAVED OR CREATED! Fewer unemployment checks will go out! And fuel consumption will statistically be lowered pleasing MMGW moonbats because all those 33bil SUV's will be kept off the road! WIN... WIN... WIN...!! Why heck.. every business should have this business model as their roadmap to successs...

Probably this, probably that, liberal this, unions that, MMGW, straw dogs scoot, how about posting that fav pic of yours or at least with holding the rage boy act and giving something other than gross opinion backed by nothing so that a response can be given...

And how about that, a real shift in terms of consumption considering all the oil we import from foreign nations. Nice to have an administration not in the pocket of big oil for a change, isn't it?

Nevermind. I'll simply go on with the apparently unpopular to liberal democrats notion that the gubberment doling out tax dollars to keep an industry afloat and also doling out tax dollars to get people to buy the products from that same industry is a f*cking ridiculous economic disaster in the making.

Really. It seems we already had that "f*cking ridiculous economic disaster" if you hadn't noticed. I realize the world is black and white to you only having neocon republicans and socialist democrats but save your venom for someone who might actually react to it.

The issue was getting people to buy products. What did the GOP prescribe?


I appreciate your response to my actual points made in my rebuttal--not.

July numbers...