Time for a revolution.
I might start pamphleting you like Thomas Paine.
Time for a revolution.
I might start pamphleting you like Thomas Paine.
You know. Ive always been a strong advocate of America Right Or Wrong....but what weve seen during the past months makes me wonder what planet these elected characters are living on.
Seems like everything they touch turns turd.
And then they suggest they are going to do even more.
Oh the rapture. What a bonus. Even more.
Like a bonus.....as Government reasons.... Having 4 proctologists
instead of one.
My point was that people on the outside of the oil companies are suggesting (and even trying to legislate) what types of ventures they should be investing in. I find the suggestion ludicrous. Its their enterprise and they should follow a course chosen by themselves.
About clean coal... it sounds promising and I'm not trying to pooh-pooh its potential, but so far, it hasn't been proven to work. Its day may come. Like the electric car. But so far, it ain't ripe yet.
You want to doom a business? Don't care for it. Treat it like a cash cow. Don't give a sh*t about it's future and see if you can defy the business law: "You have to spend money to make money." Hire money-managing people who don't know the first thing about it to run it. Better still, hire amoral people whose only mission is to blacken the bottom line.
You tell me how you legislate that.
While we can't legislate morality and common sense, we're setting up a system where it's not required. There are no penalties, but subsidies to cover errors in judgement. Dammit- we do have some control over that- or do we anymore?
Now let me veer the topic and blacken that picture a little (understand I'm not referring to you, Dutch, but giving you some insight into someone else).
Ship those expensive American jobs and their know-how overseas to improve your bottom line for a few quarters. (God help you if you ever need those Americans again and that your drive home may need a couple of body-guards).
But it turns out after those few quarters that those countries are demanding infrastructure and oil and whatever it takes to maintain a high tech society and your labor costs go up anyhow. Soon it also dawns on some pipe-smoking raja somewhere that he can run your business better than you can for a whole h*ll of a lot less and buys out your expensive @ss too. Of course, thanks to you, America is now just another 3rd-world sewer. But you never gave a sh*t about those
spoiled, bitching American @ssholesAmerican workers and sycophant government officials you addicted to your money anyhow and pull your platinum parachute string and retire to your island villa.
While we can't legislate to correct personality flaws, we can remove government involvement and subsidy into bad behavior and place restrictions on specific trade partners to ensure fair and honest pricing, and exchange for goods, services and labor.
While feeding 1.3 billion Chinese is a daunting challenge, I feel we can do it- especially if THEY spend as much money on the effort as they have on aquiring silicon and aerospace technology as well as Olympic fireworks. They can do this by fair morket pricing their labor and stimulating their consumer habits as well.
Unfortunately, the bottom-line blinds people to the fact that they are simply providing food and shelter for the
slaves/peasantproletariat and taking that money to help enslave us with our own debt.
Change is needed....
If permission for domestic drilling was expanded and domestic refining capacity was allowed to increase, jobs would be created here. Restricting access to both of those ventures through legislation has, at least, moved jobs overseas. Those actions certainly didn't create any jobs domestically. They did nothing to reduce the demand for refined oil products, either. They only screwed the pooch... us.Ship those expensive American jobs and their know-how overseas to improve your bottom line for a few quarters. (God help you if you ever need those Americans again and that your drive home may need a couple of body-guards).
It always is. The change we choose to pursue isn't always healthy, though.Change is needed....
Last edited by Dutchcedar; 11-01-2008 at 12:27 PM.
I think we're saying pretty much the same thing, Dutch. It's just in how we're reading and writing it.
I'm trying to get a lot of what you're saying about China. Please don't construe my not commenting on it as not paying attention. I am. Its a big elephant sleeping in the room and one of these days, I hope to understand the big picture better.
In the meantime, I'll read quietly.
In the meantime, we're focussed on the market, social issues and flirting with another main economic issue- the debt. It's a lot to deal with in and of itself and these things ARE some things that need to be dealt with.
However, some of us believe that we're being mis-directed from the real perils of our even-larger trade deficit and the hemoragging loss of quality American jobs and investment capital/tax dollars overseas.
The only result I can see of this squeeze-play on our supply and demand is the loss of the American middle class- and I'm beginning to suspect more and more that it's a contrived agenda.
Well- thanks for listening to me and my croaking prophesies of doom anyhow. And, in all honestly, I don't think the situation is lost while there are still good people who have the courage to do the right thing.
Last edited by AeroSim; 11-01-2008 at 05:03 PM.
Good stuff. And yeah I should have asked here...Ive been attempting to puzzle the dropoff weve seen here at this site....for Wise and Ryan.
The most noticeable change Ive spotted is with bots or user directed searches from Yahoo. I reasoned perhaps it might be associated
with the Yahoo cutbacks.
Then I noticed the write up [rolleyes] that suggested yet another
reason. People are looking at financial stuff...as some of the financial sites are getting record visits.
What Im able to observe at any given time is detail in the who's online
feature we see at the bottom of Forums Main page. We can observe the specific number of members/guests/search bots and so forth.
I would generally find 400 to 500 search engine requests or indexing bots.
Now maybe I see 20 or so. So its a substantial activity decrease.
Edit: I didnt mean layoffs were good stuff. I meant to say thanks!!
And the fall off was abrubt after 10/3
Heh. Bailout Bill voted on 10/3...on 10/3 I happened to save the numbers for this particular forum. We had > 100 visitors just about thru the day.
Last edited by jimzinsocal; 11-02-2008 at 11:01 AM.
The number is about 10% (information not so old)
Layoffs wreak havoc on morale and productivity, so you might be seeing a result of that.
To me, it's kind of like seeing fewer telemarketers in the world. And I'm so tired of the resource-piggy crapplets like toolbars, etc. that everyone thinks you must have to feel cool, safe, secure and productive.
But, enough of my preferences. A little realignment in some areas may be a good thing.
Last edited by AeroSim; 11-02-2008 at 11:12 AM.
Agree. Sometimes it can be a positive thing.
Just one of those site issues I cant quite resolve ...mainly because of lack of data. If I had the tools and the time I could formulate an "equation"
that might attempt to define the relationship with activity here
with external data of all sorts.
But? All I can do is ask others for a bit of thinking....that helps me
sort of resolve things in my head.
For here? Lots of searches and indexing translates to page hits.
At present? Thats the common measuring stick. And its way down.
Its changing to a different model based on time spent but for now? Page hits rule.
Last edited by jimzinsocal; 11-02-2008 at 11:21 AM.
PCs, gaming, overcocking, etc. have been such popular issues for so long and now with the election and economic crisis, attention is, like you've suggested, probably steered away for now. Getting first dibs on a performance one-up by AMD over Intel isn't what it used to be.
But, yeah- I know that for some websites hits are bread and butter.
^^Yeah....God forbid Ryan takes away my fat
Market's pretty dead today and flat-lined. Probably action Wednesday after the election.
I've got Obama winning in a landslide. Vote your shares accordingly.