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    Re: 6X Raptors overkill?

    Quote Originally Posted by BY97 View Post
    So you are saying that the onboard RAID controller on my Asus PC-DL will outperform something like this?

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16816102076
    That's a PCI-E 4X item, not 100% sure but I believe it should do better than standard PCI card, perhaps as good as an on-board controller that isn't tied to a PCI bus.
    Last edited by BWM; 08-11-2007 at 08:12 PM.

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    Re: 6X Raptors overkill?

    Hey, has this thread gotten stolen? Hell, I'm as guilty as anyone.

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    Re: 6X Raptors overkill?

    took on a life of its own

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    Re: 6X Raptors overkill?

    Quote Originally Posted by BWM View Post
    took on a life of its own
    Yeah, you're right. But in deference to poci, I felt obliged to say something.

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    Re: 6X Raptors overkill?

    Quote Originally Posted by oralpain View Post
    But a 12GB partition at the right position of a high density 7200rpm drive would have still faster access times.
    If you say so. You figure it all out, test it, and get back to us. Me, I'll put my money on the drive that's fastest out of the box and perform the common tweaks to make it efficient as possible.

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    Re: 6X Raptors overkill?

    Stolen?Bleh the topic is still related to raptors I dont mind and besides my question has already been answered so feel free to continue the debate on performance

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    Re: 6X Raptors overkill?

    Quote Originally Posted by tuskenraider View Post
    If you say so. You figure it all out, test it, and get back to us. Me, I'll put my money on the drive that's fastest out of the box and perform the common tweaks to make it efficient as possible.
    Few drives are usable out of the box, without being partitioned and formated. The only special "tweak" I was suggesting is typing a lower number in for that partiton, or keeping the drive defragmented.

    If you've got so much money that paying three times as much for a virtually imperceptable advantage in performance, or not having to type in a single number, is a good investment, more power to you.

    As I said earlier, if anyone with a recent raptor wants to take a few hours of their time to compare performance, I am perfectly willing to test whatever is requested on my second drive. However, I am not going to go out and buy another raptor, even an improved model, when I consider the first two I owned to be the least productive use of money in my 13 years of working with PCs (with the possible exception of the $50 I spent on Battlespire, holy god that game was horrible).

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    Re: 6X Raptors overkill?

    Oral so your saying raptors wouldnt be a good idea?Hmm to tell you the truth your the first person I see say that.Everyone else that has raptors loves them.
    Remember the main reason I would want to put raptors in a gaming rig is to decrease map loading times
    Yes I know RAM plays a big part as well,heck right now with 4 gigz of RAM in my personal rig im one of the first to load a BF2 map,but Im positive with raptors it would be even faster,I mean come on im still using an old IDE drive,benches at about 54 megs a second

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    Re: 6X Raptors overkill?

    Quote Originally Posted by oralpain View Post
    Few drives are usable out of the box, without being partitioned and formated.
    Thanks for the tip Captian Obvious.
    Quote Originally Posted by oralpain View Post
    If you've got so much money that paying three times as much for a virtually imperceptable advantage in performance, or not having to type in a single number, is a good investment, more power to you.
    Well you've come to the wrong place to convince Raptor users that we've wasted our money and don't believe we haven't owned other drives and made a blind choice either. Your impression of the Raptor has no bearing on ours. So there are a few drives released in the last few months that can match a Raptor in some areas, and those are some large drives that still can cost a good deal more than a Raptor. If you have to penny pinch, the Raptor was never meant for you. Apparantly you must be clueless that people DO actually spend extra money for small performance advantages in all types of hobbies, endeavors, etc. and the Raptor's advantage has been proven over and over. That may eventually come to an end, but I won't be shedding a tear when that happens and I'm in the market for a new drive.
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    Re: 6X Raptors overkill?

    The first 12GB on a dense 7200rpm drive might have comparable access time to raptors, but for a os/app partition this is too small. OK, it might be enough for Linux but for XP + apps + games I don't think so (not to mention vista).

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    Re: 6X Raptors overkill?

    Quote Originally Posted by oralpain View Post
    However, I am not going to go out and buy another raptor, even an improved model, when I consider the first two I owned to be the least productive use of money in my 13 years of working with PCs
    If "the first two" were the least productive use of your money in 13 years, why did you buy any more? That's what's implied by your statement. This doesn't make any sense.

    In any case, like others have suggested, we spend our money on what we each prize. I prize the snappiness of the raptor. On my c2d system (see sig), stuff opens and closes almost instantly. I love it. I always have felt that the money spent on raptors has been money well spent.

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    Re: 6X Raptors overkill?

    Quote Originally Posted by alex666 View Post
    If "the first two" were the least productive use of your money in 13 years, why did you buy any more? That's what's implied by your statement. This doesn't make any sense.
    Sounds like he purchased 2 and wasn't impressed, so he declines to purchase more. Not very cryptic, really.

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    Re: 6X Raptors overkill?

    Quote Originally Posted by Regent View Post
    Sounds like he purchased 2 and wasn't impressed, so he declines to purchase more. Not very cryptic, really.
    No, he said the "first" two. That implies more than 2.

    But to be sure, hey, Oral, how many did you buy?

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    Re: 6X Raptors overkill?

    Quote Originally Posted by alex666 View Post
    In any case, like others have suggested, we spend our money on what we each prize. I prize the snappiness of the raptor. On my c2d system (see sig), stuff opens and closes almost instantly. I love it. I always have felt that the money spent on raptors has been money well spent.

    marty
    Absolutely. There's no way I'll buy anything but raptors for O/S and apps until someone comes up with something better with even faster access time. They make that much difference, especially on my workstation.

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    Re: 6X Raptors overkill?

    This is OT but I gotta ask,

    LOL BWM,is that an Amanita Muscaria mushroom in your avatar?

    Thats some major trip stuff there,stronger (and dangerous) when compared to normal "shrooms"

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